You have no point of view to consider. Your whole post was literally nothing but you crying about how people are wanking over Itachi. You have no argument yet you come here crying about wankers and fanboys...pretty ironic considering the only one being a fanboy is the one who's like:
"Jiraiya low diffs Itachi"
"Jiraiya obliterates Itachi"
You literally posted before me, the burden of proof is on you. I in no way am expected to post proof supporting Jiraiya winning when you've been in this thread spamming how Itachi stomps and how delusional Jiraiya wankers were. Your posts are some of the most baseless I've seen including this one. Yes, all of those things I said were true, you clearly have a problem with that so why aren't you even attempting to respond? It's because you can't and you realize that it's a ridiculous stomp in Jiraiya's favor but you're too blinded to admit otherwise. If you want to prove me wrong here's a simple step by step instruction:
1. Actually gather evidence
2. Post it
If you can't do that, then you're irrelevant and don't bother replying. It's not that hard of a concept to understand, when you claim something, prove it, and if someone says something you think is
obviously wrong and anyone can CLEARLY see that (direct quote from you) then provide evidence and how it. Buuuuut considering you completely ignored the points of my posts 3 times in a row now, and have throw my rational civilized replies out with immature posts a butthurt kid would make when he doesn't get his wn way, I'm not all that surprised anymore.
And immature? I only stated facts. If you can't deal with that it's not my issue.
Here is a proof by contradiction for you, if you actually stated facts you would have at least .000000000001 ounce of support for literally
anything you've been saying this entire time. Here you are outright agreeing that all of your posts are off topic, too.
And I can't be in the losing position when you have no real argument.
Glad to see you agree that I'm winning here as your posts have far less of an argument than mine
-Replies to my post.
-Has the nerve to imply he wasn't referring to me.
Do I care whether or not you are referring to everyone? No, I only care about myself being included, and since you quoted my post, yes, you were referring to me as well. Also, my reply still goes even if you weren't referring to me. You are whining about people calling Itachi God, and wanking over him (Supposedly) but you come here, and you wank the living hell out of Jiraiya.
Sorry to burst your bubble that it's an online forum but no, I wasn't referring to
just you. And if you HAD read my post and not blatantly strawmanned me to attempt to make my claim look bad, you would know that your claims are the exact same as an average retarded Itachi wanker, while you may not have said the exact line that Itachi is god.
lol is this projection serious
What point? Your "points" were complaining and whining. We can go over your whole post if you want so you'll stop moaning about me "Not addressing your argument".
Again baseless and strawmanning. Please point out what sentences were "whining", and explain how they were. I haven't done that in the slightest. Yes I would like if you DID go over my whole post but in a serious manner and not a condescending **** manner.
The only guy wanking and projecting it on others, was the guy who posted a wall of text crying about wankers, only to say Jiraiya low diffs, or even stomps. Lol.
Which is still true. You're doing an
excellent job proving it wrong, by the way
-Says I haven't given arguments.
-My reasoning is on the thread, for everyone to see.
Everything you said in this thread has been pretty easily countered by anyone who replied to you. I knw you're far too stubborn to even slightly entertain the thought that any word you use be anything less than perfect, though, so if you feel this sentence is incorrect go ahead and post something you want me to counter or prove and I'll get right on that.
>Talks about baseless posts.
>Says Jiraiya stomps, doesn't provide a shred of evidence.
Do you even know what burden of proof is? I'm waiting for YOU, this post is one of the worst projections of all time. Besides, the second I start posting Jiraiya support people will start whining baww wall of text, or never reply again because of how clearly he rapes. This goes back to my very original post, I know every single scan that either character has ever performed on panel and Itachi CANNOT win, the second you try arguing for his side is the second you lost.
I've posted my arguments, I'm not gonna repost them because some angry fanboy claims I have no arguments.
I said they were all already countered, so until you attempt to prove me wrong with evidence that they're still valid, they've been countered already. Unless of course you can't actually repost them because they don't exist. Go ahead and post something, anything, I'm waiting.
Quite the contrary. You cry about people wanking Itachi, but you've provided no argument as to how Jiraiya would win. Like I've said before, you are just crying and complaining.
Right, there was nothing worthwhile in any of your posts for me to respond to, the only thing I had to reply to go off was you doing the exact same thing.
Really now buddy? Let's dissect that garbage you call a post.
Paragraph 1 of long irrelevant wall of text
None of it's irrelevant, I'm not an NB debater where I get butthurt and the match turns into "**** u" "no u **** u" over ando ver until one person stops responding. I was actually offering you advice throughout these posts so you could look at things from a more rational point of view instead of acting like a close minded condescending ass but I can see that's not changing any time soon judging by your extremely defensive responses. You chose to ignore them and continue being an immature uncivilized poster so whatever that's your decision so done with that now.
Hmm, I see no kind of counter argument to anyone's argument in this thread. I only see you fanboying, saying Jiraiya needs to be restricted, so he stomps, and that it's proved in the manga.......but I see no manga facts or scans in your whole post.
Paragraph 2 of irrelevant wall of text.
Once you show me ANYTHING, even a panel of Itachi standing there doing nothing is better than nothing, we can get the ball rolling and I'll prove it(as if you don't know it's proven damn well already) then you'll get mad you're wrong and stop responding like everyone always doese.
>You say it's set in stone as fact on paper.
>Yet you aren't bringing these facts.
>You say that this match is obvious.
>Provide no argument.
Yes your entire post is a rehash of this exact same point over and over we get it, burden of proofs still on you though, I'm waiting. Check my track record I have no problem providing feats once
someone actually does something, you're doing a bad job of it now though. In fact you're doing the exact opposite of what a debater who expects to be taken seriously is doing:
-condescending
-not considering any opposing points at all
-extremely close minded point of view
-disregards opponents points and flames them because you disagree no matter how rational
-when asked to debate civilly and take things seriously becomes even more condescending and close minded
There's more but I'm tired but you get the point. I was talking human to human, some stuff I was saying wasn't Jiraiya vs Itachi related
but it was general education on how to not be...like that or something
Then you go onto to talk about how "The paper has already been written" and that searching for evidence that Itachi wins is pointless, because he doesn't. Your argument is basically you saying Jiraiya wins, manga says so, don't bother trying to prove me wrong...all the while failing to provide arguments. Do I need to post an example of an argument, that is actually relevant to the thread, before you get it?
Can the strawman get any worse? I said the exact opposite, and on top of that you missed the entire point of what that post was trying to convey, obviously it failed.
You're looking at this from the wrong viewpoint, you consider me as an antagonistic debater trying to prove everything you're saying wrong but you couldn't be more wrong. I said, for insight purposes that every single event in the manga has already happened and if youve debated this same debate for years and years and read every single panel from both characters, you WILL know who wins easily provided you aren't being a close minded itachi wanker. What I said DIRECTLY contradicts the bold, I said look at all things both characters can do instead of looking for ONLY support that Itachi wins. This way youre looking at things logically instead of "why does Itachi win, I need to prove Itachi wins fast theres no way he loses no matter what so no evidence I find proving contrary will convince me and I'll ignore it." also it really pisses me off when the opposing debater is so unwilling to concede on any blatantly incorrect point they'd start twisting the opponents words around to make it sound like they said something else. You're Strawman central.
Lol, only thing I agree with. You talk just to talk. (Or in this case, post just to post)
On some things, yes. I wasn't trying to counter your points with those paragraphs you s easily discarded as "irrelevant garbage". But if you stop being so defensive as if I'm out to get you and reread my posts
rationally then you may learn something.
Once again, you are spouting nonsense about how "the match is settled", Jiraiya "hard stomps", you talk about being unbiased (Pretty damn ironic if you ask me, and anyone else reading your post) "So moving on" Huh, funny. That implies you are actually going to post something relevant to who wins?
Yeah because saying someone stomps when they clearly do equals being biased. Great job proving me wrong with evidence to how Jiraiya doesn't completely rape.
-Crying about how people aren't reading the manga correctly.
-Crying about how they are oblivious.
-Crying about people not being unbiased.
-Crying about how people hap to Itachi.
More irrelevant condescending sht whilst avoiding answering my points.
>You say Itachi stands no chance.
>Posted 4-5 paragraphs of bullshit, instead of argumentation.
Give me ONE logical point you've made that I should be replying to and I'll address it. Oh, you can't because you too have not given any support for your side...
>Says Jiraiya stomps.
>Has posted no argument.
>Says Itachi stomps
>Has posted LITERALLY nothing other than "youre a jiraiya wanker" which is worse than posting nothing at all
-Crying about how people don't read the manga.
-Crying about how people love Itachi.
-Crying about people's stubbornness.
-Crying about the "disregard for logic"
All of that is 100% true, you're restating what I'm saying in a sarcastic way. That doesn't defeat any points I've made, it just makes you look like more of a ****.
You should have done me, every other logical poster, and my (Also other's) brain cells that died from reading your two wallies of bullshit a favor and not have accidentally clicked on NB in your bookmarks.
Really now buddy? Yet you have the audacity to say you've posted argumentation? There's a word for people like you...well actually multiple words would work but this one fits. You are a bitch. All you are doing is bitching.
Jokes huh?
Damn you're getting really defensive for no reason lol, LOOK AT HOW MUCH FLAME IS IN YOUR POST literally just look at it, and how much support for Itachi winning ISNT. I can't believe this lolololol do you really post here often? I once respected your posts but when someone challenges you like this and you're so easily driven into a corner idk man, idk. Then after you look at your post and see how blatantly immature it is, take a look at mine and what you'll see are the posts coming from a rational man trying to reach this guy who's so far gone screaming profanities at him. Not even exaggerating
There is nothing to prove wrong. You've failed to address the match up. You've only given your opinion (Which I don't care for) and you've said that it's a fact, without any facts backing your post up. Lol. What a joke.
That's good to know you don't care, it's just unfortunate that people can't learn to be a bit more open minded and accepting of other people's viewpoints before instantly disregarding them because "lalalala I'm right you're retarded".
Let me give you a pro tip. Close Jiraiya's pic on your browser, and take your hand out of your pants. Maybe your posts will make more sense afterwards.
Great argument there man I concede Itachi definitely wins based on the points in your post. Also no I refuse to do that, he's too sexy.
Anyway, once you post anything, ANYTHING at all I'll gladly prove you wrong. Don't even reply to anything I wrote here within the spoilers, you and I both agreed it's irrelevant to the matchup(and since you don't care about my attempts to be nice and reach you to be more open minded). If you truly agree it's irrelevant and don't end up proving my point that you're just being butthurt/defensive because you lost, then you might as well just ignore it and say either "ok post your proof then" or post YOUR proof (but you won't because it doesn't exist), I'd like to get to the real meat of it here. Anyway whether you like it or not the burden of proof IS on you. If you still can't post anything worthwhile which I know you can't, then after you post your stupid sarcastic comment in reply to this like "lolol still no argument i see gg i win ur a retarded wanker" then I guess I'll be generous, and give some evidence. Even though I shouldn't, I'm so confident that you have absolutely nothing conceivable that will even touch any of my flawless points that I'll provide proof FOR you, even though it's you who should be doing it as an Itachi supporter.
As I told you in my first post you should have just listened, because it's futile...you're fighting a losing battle(which is why you're so defensive I guess) I've looked at both characters and only reached the conclusion Jiraiya wins because of reading both scans hundreds and hundreds of times from an unbiased perspective. You and most itachi wankers however, have looked at both scans from the side of "ITACHI WINS NO MATTER WHAT" and thus already had the notion that he won in mind, strongly warping your judgment to such a high level.
