SM Jiraiya vs Itachi

[Beans2]

Location: Jiraiya vs Pain
Intel: Full
Conditions: Jiraiya starts in Sage Mode with Ma and Pa. Itachi is alive
Distance: 30 meters
Restrictions: None

Scenario 2: V4 Susano'o, Totsuka, and Yata are restricted

 

[Bolt Rules]

Itachi negs.

 

[LuckyMan]

Jiraiya wins both scenarios, even easier now since DB confirms he has Frog Kata and Sage Sensing.

 

[KidGamer65]

Jiraiya's main issue is getting past Susanoo. If Jiraiya attacks him with anything, Yata would reflect it right back at him, most likely killing him since any attack used on a V3 Susanoo or higher would probably be fatal if a human body hits it. Goemon, Rasengan, Toad Oil Flame Bullet...all tanked. Susanoo strikes fast, as seen when it chopped off all of the Eight Branches head's off in a split second, so Jiraiya isn't dancing around Susanoo's attacks, nor is he surviving them. His hair's best feat is restraining Pain's crab, doubt it'll do much to Susanoo, especially since Susanoo can just cut his hair. Jiraiya dies to Susanoo in the end. S2 is no different, since Yata isn't needed to tank his attacks, Totsuka isn't needed to cut him (A regular Susanoo sword will do just fine) and V4 Susanoo isn't needed to tank or kill him, V3 would suffice.

 

[Char Aznable]

Frog song genjutsu solos. Sound genjutsu is a way to exploit sharingan and rinnegan users. As seen in the Jiriaya vs Pein fight and the Kabuto vs Sasuke and Itachi fight.

 

[DHOH]

Jiraiya have nothing that can get past Susanoo, or no way to avoid Amaterasu. Itachi wins.

 

[DHOH]

Frog song genjutsu solos. Sound genjutsu is a way to exploit sharingan and rinnegan users. As seen in the Jiriaya vs Pein fight and the Kabuto vs Sasuke and Itachi fight.

Itachi is to smart he would realize what they were attempting to do and eliminate one of them.

 

[Chazzi]

Itachi wins.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Itachi can't maintain Susano'o for long with his chakra levels. Frog song strains Itachi even more. Jiraiya outlasts him if he uses it. No genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi (which Jiraiya already has intel on) will affect him.

Scenario 2: Jiraiya with medium difficulty. Jiraiya can counteract most of Itachi's threats as well

- Susano'o is countered by Yomi Numa, Goemon, and oil enhanced katons
- Fūka Hōin gets rid of Amaterasu, or Jiraiya used Needle Jizō + Kebari Senbon to remove it if used on him
- Shima's dust cloud blocks the Sharingan
- Shima and Fukasaku can sense, so they'll be able to tell when Itachi is going to use a jutsu and relay this to Jiraiya in order to counter accordingly.

 

[Char Aznable]

Itachi is to smart he would realize what they were attempting to do and eliminate one of them.

He didn't realize what Kabuto was doing and was caught. You can't give characters knowledge that don't have before a fight.

 

[DHOH]

He didn't realize what Kabuto was doing and was caught. You can't give characters knowledge that don't have before a fight.

Yea...
1. They wasn't trying to kill kabuto
2. Firing song takes a while

 

[Bogard]

Jiraiya's main issue is getting past Susanoo. If Jiraiya attacks him with anything, Yata would reflect it right back at him, most likely killing him since any attack used on a V3 Susanoo or higher would probably be fatal if a human body hits it. Goemon, Rasengan, Toad Oil Flame Bullet...all tanked. Susanoo strikes fast, as seen when it chopped off all of the Eight Branches head's off in a split second, so Jiraiya isn't dancing around Susanoo's attacks, nor is he surviving them. His hair's best feat is restraining Pain's crab, doubt it'll do much to Susanoo, especially since Susanoo can just cut his hair. Jiraiya dies to Susanoo in the end. S2 is no different, since Yata isn't needed to tank his attacks, Totsuka isn't needed to cut him (A regular Susanoo sword will do just fine) and V4 Susanoo isn't needed to tank or kill him, V3 would suffice.

Really??

1- Underground is Susanoo weakness = Yomi Numa solos

2- We've seen with Kabuto-Sasuke instance that sound can paralyze a Susanoo user to the point he can't use it. Pa/Ma have similar sound jutsu(that they used to paralyze Pain summons), rendering Susanoo meaningless

3- Senpou Goemon can cover the entire area and turns everything in contact to ashes. With the underground weakness, it would on the contrary be dangerous for Itachi

4- Jiraya is a confirmed frog kata user and we've seen the scale of Naruto's frog fu during this war:

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It could effect the entire area inside a beast as big as Son. This move can potentially KO a Susanoo user in contact(assuming he doesn't fight back that's it)

Not to mention Sound genjutsu

He has plenty of means to counter Susanoo users

Considering Jiraya is a confirmed frog kata user as well, it means he gains danger sensing(not that i ever doubted he had it, but..), which could allow him to sense and dodge Susanoo attacks meantime

 

[LuckyMan]

Susanoo strikes fast, as seen when it chopped off all of the Eight Branches head's off in a split second, so Jiraiya isn't dancing around Susanoo's attacks

Best joke I've heard this morning.

 

[Lariatoo]

Itachi wins first med diff. Second scenario can go either way.

 

[Apêx1]

Interesting match-up, Itachi wins high diff in both scenario's. V4 and Yata don't really do much for him, Totsuka would but it's not a game breaker. My reasons would be;

-Amateratsu still one shots Jiraiya.

-Jiraiya can be immune to normal Genjutsu via Ma and Pa, but Tsukiyomi would surely kill him regardless of the toads.

-Ma and Pa may help Jiraiya escape Genjutsu, but no one will be helping them escape Genjutsu from Itachi. Itachi takes control of them and has them stick their tongue into Jiraiya's ear, killing him (srs). Same applies for Bunta, he gets put under Genjutsu and kills Jiraiya with Suiton bullets and normal attacks. Furthermore, even if they somehow don't get used to kill Jiraiya, Ma/Pa would be out of control and thus not gather Senjutsu for Jiraiya. And yes, Jiraiya leaves SM instantly[

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]. Meaning if Itachi decides to cast Tsukiyomi on Ma and Pa, the rest of the fight is Base Jiraiya and one of the elder toads vs Itachi, something Itachi definitely wins.

-Itachi knows the seals of Yomi Numa with full intel and the Sharingan, he easily shunshins away or jumps away.

-Itachi is far faster than Jiraiya, and his Sharingan and duplicity gives him the upper hand in CQC.

 

[KidGamer65]

Really??

1- Underground is Susanoo weakness = Yomi Numa solos

He can use Amaterasu or Katon to heat up the area he is trapped in, allowing him to harden the mud and break out, or he can make clones to pull him out.

Once he's out, Susanoo comes back up, if it was put down to begin with.

-Itachi knows the seals of Yomi Numa with full intel and the Sharingan, he easily shunshins away or jumps away.

Never would have thought of this though. Lol. Good point.

2- We've seen with Kabuto-Sasuke instance that sound can paralyze a Susanoo user to the point he can't use it. Pa/Ma have similar sound jutsu(that they used to paralyze Pain summons), rendering Susanoo meaningless

Frog Call=/=White Rage. White Rage was so intense that they couldn't focus due to the pain, meaning they couldn't hold up Susanoo. Ma and Pa's Sound Genjutsu paralyzes, but nothing implies it has the same potency White Rage does, so Susanoo isn't getting put down by it. Itachi won't be able to move..but that doesn't really matter if Jiraiya can't hurt him.

3- Senpou Goemon can cover the entire area and turns everything in contact to ashes. With the underground weakness, it would on the contrary be dangerous for Itachi

4- Jiraya is a confirmed frog kata user and we've seen the scale of Naruto's frog fu during this war:

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It could effect the entire area inside a beast as big as Son. This move can potentially KO a Susanoo user in contact(assuming he doesn't fight back that's it)

The jutsu pushed the stake out, it's not going to hurt anyone, not to mention it didn't effect the entire area inside Son, it only effected the stake. He sent ripples of Nature Energy through the stake, causing it to be pushed out.

It can't bypass Susanoo and hit the user.

Not to mention Sound genjutsu

Which is never gonna happen.

Considering Jiraya is a confirmed frog kata user as well, it means he gains danger sensing(not that i ever doubted he had it, but..), which could allow him to sense and dodge Susanoo attacks meantime

Danger Sensing isn't automatically letting him evade anything. He still needs to be fast enough, which he isn't. Even if he evades a few times, which he probably can, evading over and over and over again for the whole fight isn't happening.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Itach wins. Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu still and will always one-shot. Jiraiya has nothing to get past susano'o. Yomi Numa is easily avoided, especially given full intel on it. Worst case scenario; Itachi uses his suiton to propel himself out, with the aid of a clone if needed.

Edit: Actually, Amaterasu may not one shot, thinking about it now. The technique has been slandered so many times in the manga, wouldn't surprise me if Jiraiya really could seal the flames away even afte being engulfed in it... seeing how slow burning it is. He'll take damage, but nothing significant, I don't think.

Edit 2: Itachi still solos.

Edit 3: Nah, Amaterasu one shots.

Edit 4: But then again... Nah, nevermind.

 

[LuckyMan]

Jiraiya takes it mid difficulty, probably low.

Its funny that when Itachi is put against someone like SM Naruto people always claim Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi is countered by clones but when it comes to Jiraiya, who can not only make clones but completely wipe out all his vision with Dust Cloud, he still gets defeated by those techniques. The bias is strong.

 

[Apêx1]

Itach wins. Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu still and will always one-shot. Jiraiya has nothing to get past susano'o. Yomi Numa is easily avoided, especially given full intel on it. Worst case scenario; Itachi uses his suiton to propel himself out, with the aid of a clone if needed.

Edit: Actually, Amaterasu may not one shot, thinking about it now. The technique has been slandered so many times in the manga, wouldn't surprise me if Jiraiya really could seal the flames away even afte being engulfed in it... seeing how slow burning it is. He'll take damage, but nothing significant, I don't think.

Edit 2: Itachi still solos.

Edit 3: Nah, Amaterasu one shots.

Edit 4: But then again... Nah, nevermind.

If he touches the paper, he'd pass Amateratsu on to it before it can be employed.

Jiraiya takes it mid difficulty, probably low.

Its funny that when Itachi is put against someone like SM Naruto people always claim Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi is countered by clones but when it comes to Jiraiya, who can not only make clones but completely wipe out all his vision with Dust Cloud, he still gets defeated by those techniques. The bias is strong.

Yes, use a Dust Cloud that Itachi shunshins out of and lights on fire with his Katon (the jutsu is Futon enhanced by Senjutsu, so the air would be holding up dust particles). Not to mention, Dust cloud is not blinding Itachi, it will only prevent him from seeing Ma since the cloud has an identical chakra color to her own. Jiraiya and Pa are still standing out from it.

 

[Jove]

Itachi avoided a direct confrontation with Jiraiya, even when accompanied by Kisame. So my vote goes to Jiraiya, all though I like Itachi more