Is sarutobi equally to blame for the Uchiha Genocide

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

in my perspective it was minato because he failed to pass the most important information regarding the real perpetrator behind the kyubi attack while he have enough time to tell gamatora about taking the scroll to jiraiya, he should have tell gamatora about the real attacker, but then again the uchiha massacre is required for the plot in the manga

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

I actually suspect that Danzo used Kotoamatsukami on Hiruzen. It would make sense.

 

[Anorien16]

in my perspective it was minato because he failed to pass the most important information regarding the real perpetrator behind the kyubi attack while he have enough time to tell gamatora about taking the scroll to jiraiya, he should have tell gamatora about the real attacker, but then again the uchiha massacre is required for the plot in the manga

Well tell what to Gamatora? The attacker is a masked Sharingan user? It wld seal and prove the suspicion the elders had . . . . cos none wld believe its Madara.

Your point would have been perfect.. right on target. ONLY if a hokage was like the president. Hokage is like King/President.

Also outvoted only works if there are 3 branches.. Hokage is the sole King . I will say this again Counsel is there to give advice they cannot "Veto" the Hokage.

The uchiha were respected during until Minato's death.. ok. But we aren't talking about the past. We are talking about what led to the Coup.

Reasons for the coup:

1. Assuming the whole clan is at a fault for the nine-tails.

2. Segregating the clan and moving them to the outskirts of konoha.

3. (This is was the final result of the other 2 reasons) after all the things uchiha had done for the leaf.. This is how they treat them??? so why would they not want a hand in politics.


Also, Minato was Godly?? uh no. Minato was strong but no Godly... Uchiha could have just screwed up the senju with madara's help but they wanted peace. UCHIHA CHANGED. This is what your not getting..

And also i agree Hiruzen before minato became hokage was Awsome. But im talking about after minato's death. He messed up badly

U dont get it do you? Hokage is not absolute, see this page and the line marked in red:

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Hizune was 'overhauled' which according to dictionary means:

overhaul
vb [ˌəʊvəˈhɔːl] (tr)
1. to examine carefully for faults, necessary repairs, etc.
2. (Engineering / General Engineering) to make repairs or adjustments to (a car, machine, etc.)
3. to overtake

So the council are not merely advisers, they can take action if by popular consent they think the Hokage is going down the wrong path. Plus Hokage is not absolute in his village too, the Fudal Lord of Fire is the true ruler.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Well tell what to Gamatora? The attacker is a masked Sharingan user? It wld seal and prove the suspicion the elders had . . . . cos none wld believe its Madara.

that information coming from the 4th hokage so of course they will believe in him,the attacker is a masked man who have sharingan on his right eye and can use S/T jutsu which surpass both his tech and the 2ND hokage tech and none of the uchiha can accomplish that, let alone the fact that the masked man working alone while the uchiha always work on group.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well tell what to Gamatora? The attacker is a masked Sharingan user? It wld seal and prove the suspicion the elders had . . . . cos none wld believe its Madara.



U dont get it do you? Hokage is not absolute, see this page and the line marked in red:

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Hizune was 'overhauled' which according to dictionary means:

overhaul
vb [ˌəʊvəˈhɔːl] (tr)
1. to examine carefully for faults, necessary repairs, etc.
2. (Engineering / General Engineering) to make repairs or adjustments to (a car, machine, etc.)
3. to overtake

So the council are not merely advisers, they can take action if by popular consent they think the Hokage is going down the wrong path. Plus Hokage is not absolute in his village too, the Fudal Lord of Fire is the true ruler.

But thats the whole problem.. He was the hokage he could have defied them. . Also Feudal Lord is actaully what you call a "Show leader". He only has money and etc. Hokage is like Chief-in-commander of all the military. Remember the 2 Kings arc?.
Also im not trolling i respect your guys decision, just trying to have a nice arguement here tho. But Tsunade has defied the counsel soooo many times. Sarutobi was better in his prime. Like Oro said she should have picked a new Hokage after Minato.

 

[zombiejesus]

they should have just said hey you dont like it here go make your own village orochimaru did they could have been part of the sound village lol

 

[Scooby Doo]

Hiruzen tried his best but he alone couldnt go against the other higher-ups.

 

[Redd]

Doing nothing is the same as being a part of the crime.

 

[MickNerks]

Ok so, Hiruzen Sarutobi was the Hokage during the Uchiha massacre. And he knew about Danzo's Evil scheme. Yet he did nothing but let Danzo be part of the top Village leaders. Now what kind of Hokage does that??? See now this is basically the Madara vs Hashirama scenario... When hashirama was Hokage he made all the choices. BUT HIRUZEN letted his "friends" do whatever they want.


I find Sarutobi guilty for being a wimpy hokage. And not punishing Danzo.


Sarutobi ruined the Hokage name




What do you guys have to say about him?

You my friend are a Hashirama fanboy.. smh.. Hiruzen was a compassionate hokage, not a wimpy one..

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Hiruzen may have been a powerful shinobi but he was a mediocre Hokage at best. He didn't use his power and he let Danzo undermine him on several occasions.

Hiruzen should have done absolutely everything in his power and more to prevent the Uchiha genocide if he truly believed there was another way.

+rep I agree completely. Whatever he may have been on the battlefield he was a weak hokage because he was limited by his efforts to be friends with everyone.

-He let Oro escape because of his feelings.
-He let the Hidden Cloud bully them several times (kidnapping Kushina, and years later Hinata) with no reprisal from the leaf.
-He allowed for the Uchiha massacre to take place.
-When Tsunade wanted a medical battalion in the leaf army he refused at first.

He just seemed shy of conflict, whether it be physical or verbal.

 

[Itachi28]

Why do you keep using letted. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume english is your second language but for **** sakes no one is going to take you seriously if you keep using made up jibberish in your arguements.

 

[origin29]

of course he is to blame, he sent the order. does that make him wrong? i dont think so.

 

[uchiha3]

3rd hokage is a hero because he made a uchiha kill the uchiha clan too keep there honor and plus itachi and the 3rd hokage had no choice because words wasn't working

 

[YoungShinobi]

Danzo is responsable

 

[Konohas Itachi]

The fact that he was Hokage when the Uchiha Genocide happened kinda makes him equally blamed for it whether he was with it or against it with Danzo, actions can always be taken to prevent it but the fact that Danzo planned it one step of ahead of Sarutobi makes him look bad in general as a Hokage

 

[Gouryuuka]

Hiruzen had to face probably the toughest decision out of any Hokage. Let the Uchiha stage a coup de'tat and kill countless Konoha ninja in the process? Or stop the Uchiha from staging such an uproar and losing less innocent lives. Im sure that there were other avenues to take but after your own council advises you time and time again on going through with the massacre, you eventually see the better option. The Uchiha were very deadly ninja, and most Konoha inhabitants would have been rendered hopeless if they were attacked.

Hiruzen made a decision that he felt was right. Nobody ran the village for him, because even if he felt strongly against the plan it is his final decision that counts. Danzo was the tougher person in the equation because sometimes things just have to be done in order to preserve peace. This is the same man who died fighting his own student in order to protect his village. His honor and love for Konoha are on the same level as any other Hokage that came before or after him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why do you keep using letted. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume english is your second language but for **** sakes no one is going to take you seriously if you keep using made up jibberish in your arguements.

Thats pretty stupid actually. Alot of people have already took me serious..me saying "letted" has nothing to do with my english just the way it makes sense to me.. lol wth

 

[Sukalotta Kok]

Danzo said that Hiruzen would have done the same if the time came. He just wanted to be nicer about it. Uchiha's were planning to destroy konoha.

Basically the options here are:
-Hiruzen peacefully talks them and Uchiha's attack and lose, leaving Konoha open for an attack

-Hiruzen sneak attacks them during night, killing more uchiha's and losing less then they would if the Uchiha Coup attack, and still having the risk of being attack from other villages
(Itachi would have fought along sides with the Uchiha's killing many konoha's but in the end dieing. He would have fought with them because there was no way to save sasuke from Konoha killing him, therefore many konoha shinobi's dies as a result from that.)

-Itachi kills all of the uchihas except sasuke, leaving noone dead on the konoha side, & no possible way of other countrys taking over


It's a hard decision but itachi made his decision. Itachi could have fought along sides his people but the price would have been greater for Uchihas and Konoha. Itachi saw it too.

It was the best way to do it, having danzo let itachi kill the uchiha clan, why?:
1) We get to see Itachi become stronger as result

2) We get to see Sasuke stronger as result

3) Plot wouldnt be plot if it wasnt for Hiruzen, Danzo, mostly Itachi's Doings

4) If Itachi didnt do it All of Uchiha's maybe not Itachi, dies along side with all of konoha being taken over by other countries, possibly lead to Naruto's death because they'd want control over the bijuu

Its a "Kill one, save 16,000" moment.

 

[The Eye]

or we can blame the uchiha who wanted a war to begin with?
Get some backbone people

 

[KingHashirama]

Ok guys/gals. I'll make the situation clear.

a Coup'd Does not mean uchiha are gonna attack their own friends.

Coup de'etat: The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority.

Now the Reasons for the uchiha coup'd are:

1. Had no right in the government (Police works for the government, but it is not the Government it self. But people like Danzo did..

2. Danzo attacked the Uchiha before the Coup'd (stealing shishui's eye)

3. Got moved into a specific spot of a town, so the "Leaders" can keep watch.. After all they had done for Konoha.

4. The leaders never ASKED THEM OF THEIR PROBLEMS. (unless its prooven they had, which would mean... they sat down with the hokage, AND the feudal lord.



Now Sarutobi... was old at this point.. he was not really suited for hokage. (If you say there were none who were suited for hokage...then please check again). So the only problem sarutobi had/did WAS... didn't control Danzo (he knew how Danzo worked).

But this is what im hearing from people : "Sarutobi did what he had to do" .. uh no.. No leader is considered great if they approve of a genocide (even hashirama didn't go this far). Sarutobi didn't even knew about the genocide.. BUT HE COULD HAVE ATLEAST STOPPED THE DAMN SEGREGATION.


When I said "is he equally to blame?" I meant it as: what he could have done but didn't do.. even after the aftermath of things.



Note: (this was to clarify before you guys post) enjoy