Is sarutobi equally to blame for the Uchiha Genocide

[KingHashirama]

1. Do you really think Danzo would let the Uchiha stay in ANBU or Root by the time of the coup or coup d'état (not "coup'd")? So your first, I don't know, reason I guess, is flawed.
2. It doesn't matter if they were friends or not, kid. They are Shinobi, they protect the village and Hokage no matter what. They would fight the Uchiha.
3. The 3rd and the Elders did the Uchiha clan a service when they kept the coup hidden. If they told the village about the coup the civilians would get involved and some might die trying to fight the Uchiha themselves. Instead Itachi decided to become a criminal and keep the Uchiha name intact and honorable.
Your last two "paragraphs" are irrelevant and unimportant. If the massacre hadn't happen the world wouldve been plunged into war. The Uchiha being "right" or "wrong" is also irrelevant. The other villages wouldve destroyed Konoha in it's time of weakness and a world war would have begun.
All you've done is prove to me that you're a naive little child who can't see the big picture.

1. Hokage controls the Anbu not Danzo. Danzo controls the "ROOT", And "coup'd" is just another of saying "coup d'etat" no need to be picky about it.

2. "it doesn't matter if they are friends or not, kid" uh really?? thats pure bullshit it does matter if they are friends.. And you do realize Hokage serves the people..Hokage is not the village itself.. "They would fight the uchiha".. is that so?? is that the third didn't fight em?

3. Also really they did the uchiha a favor?? Also, Itachi's own decision?? are you ****ing with me?! lmao. Itachi had to choices.. BE KILLED OR BE A CRIMINAL "if the massacre didn't happen the world would have been plunged into war".. im guessing you got this from Danzo, (the same guy who let the leaf crumble twice :])

4. Apparently you don't know what naive is.. And the uchiha being good or evil is irrelevant?? (yet you call me the naive one, oh god).

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Notice how Konoha and the Uchiha are repreasented by the statues ;].

This whole thing could of been avoid if they had just let the noble clans be part of the gov.

I AGREE

 

[AWSUM SID]

Ok so, Hiruzen Sarutobi was the Hokage during the Uchiha massacre. And he knew about Danzo's Evil scheme. Yet he did nothing but let Danzo be part of the top Village leaders. Now what kind of Hokage does that??? See now this is basically the Madara vs Hashirama scenario... When hashirama was Hokage he made all the choices. BUT HIRUZEN letted his "friends" do whatever they want.


I find Sarutobi guilty for being a wimpy hokage. And not punishing Danzo.


Sarutobi ruined the Hokage name




What do you guys have to say about him?

You are just being Naive.
If the Uchiah were let to carry on with the coup then nothing good would have come out of it. Firstly because Itachi and Shisui were against it and they would have sided with konoha. The leaf had many talented shinobi and lets not forget the hokage would have entered the battle as well. All the Uchiha would have died as well as fatalities among the other villagers. that would open the door for Kumo and neighboring countries to attack.

I feel that the only way to stop the whole tragedy was to elect the next hokage from the Uchiha or to allow some members to join the governing body of the village.

 

[naruttebayo]

nope ,

danzou and itachi and may be tobi (who knows )

 

[KingHashirama]

You are just being Naive.
If the Uchiah were let to carry on with the coup then nothing good would have come out of it. Firstly because Itachi and Shisui were against it and they would have sided with konoha. The leaf had many talented shinobi and lets not forget the hokage would have entered the battle as well. All the Uchiha would have died as well as fatalities among the other villagers. that would open the door for Kumo and neighboring countries to attack.

I feel that the only way to stop the whole tragedy was to elect the next hokage from the Uchiha or to allow some members to join the governing body of the village.

Yet all of this would never have had been necessary If the konoha leaders didn't segregate them.. and gave them a hand in the konoha government.. instead of people like Danzo.. And also, the coup could have gone both ways..


And also, Itachi was a kid.. and so was shisui.. He got persuaded by Danzo so easily.. and that itachi is nothing like the itachi now that has matured.. ;l.

But did you see how the Uchiha were represented by the Buddha statue and the Konoha was represented by the.. (forgot the statues name)

 

[AWSUM SID]

Yet all of this would never have had been necessary If the konoha leaders didn't segregate them.. and gave them a hand in the konoha government.. instead of people like Danzo.. And also, the coup could have gone both ways..


And also, Itachi was a kid.. and so was shisui.. He got persuaded by Danzo so easily.. and that itachi is nothing like the itachi now that has matured.. ;l.

But did you see how the Uchiha were represented by the Buddha statue and the Konoha was represented by the.. (forgot the statues name)

1) if a war would have taken place then the uchiha would have been obliterated. its one KKG clan vs many KKG clans, Anbu, Jonin, Danzo and Hiruzen
2) They were not segregated till the kyuubi attacked. It was controlled by a sharingan user that much was true and no one knew about madara or tobi at that time. Common sense says that the uchiha should be suspected.
3) Itachi was an Anbu squad leader. He might have been young but was not immature
4) statues have nothing to do with this

 

[HiddenSound]

1. Hokage controls the Anbu not Danzo. Danzo controls the "ROOT", And "coup'd" is just another of saying "coup d'etat" no need to be picky about it.

2. "it doesn't matter if they are friends or not, kid" uh really?? thats pure bullshit it does matter if they are friends.. And you do realize Hokage serves the people..Hokage is not the village itself.. "They would fight the uchiha".. is that so?? is that the third didn't fight em?

3. Also really they did the uchiha a favor?? Also, Itachi's own decision?? are you ****ing with me?! lmao. Itachi had to choices.. BE KILLED OR BE A CRIMINAL "if the massacre didn't happen the world would have been plunged into war".. im guessing you got this from Danzo, (the same guy who let the leaf crumble twice :])

4. Apparently you don't know what naive is.. And the uchiha being good or evil is irrelevant?? (yet you call me the naive one, oh god).

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I AGREE

1. And what is Root? Part of the ANBU. And the 2 other elders don't have any authority over ANBU, just the Hokage...? Right, okay.
2. The battle hardened veteran Shinobi of Konoha should kill the Uchiha, even if they're friends, if they threaten the village. If they don't they shouldn't be called Shinobi. I didn't even understand the last part of what you wrote.
3. Konoha is weakened. Kumo, Suna, and Iwa want Konoha destroyed and want some of their Kekkei Genkai. You're saying they wouldn't attack. :sy:
4. When did I say "good or evil"? The Uchiha would single handedly start a WORLD WAR if the coup succeeded. How do you doubt that!? And Danzo is extremely intelligent and a political genius, if he says something will cause a world war odds are it will cause a world war. But you're either too young or too stupid to realize what he says is true. You think Danzo is a bad guy so you disagree with his actions no matter what they are. Danzo is not evil he is morally grey.
Try thinking about complex topics before you mindlessly say/type naive things about said topics, alright? Alright.
Also, the statue thing could have represented what Itachi really wanted to do but knew it would fail, and the demon could represent Itachi's anger for siding with Konoha but knowing it's the right choice.

 

[KingHashirama]

1) if a war would have taken place then the uchiha would have been obliterated. its one KKG clan vs many KKG clans, Anbu, Jonin, Danzo and Hiruzen
2) They were not segregated till the kyuubi attacked. It was controlled by a sharingan user that much was true and no one knew about madara or tobi at that time. Common sense says that the uchiha should be suspected.
3) Itachi was an Anbu squad leader. He might have been young but was not immature
4) statues have nothing to do with this

1. Your basically relying on a "IF" , just like danzo did. Also, many clans could have joined the uchiha.. since the coup was only against 4 ppl.(one of them was reasonable , while the other 3 were a disgrace to Hashirama)

2. Was sarutobi really the dumb?? everyone knew itachi was the strongest uchiha member... God.. And also the fourth Hokage should have told them. but oh well.

3. Again sir he was a kid.. Danzo was a grown-up who knew how to run "sick politics" Unless you can prove to me he had a 3rd choice.. Besides death or Criminal..

4. Statues don't mean anything??? yeaa kishi just putted them in the background for fun right? lol x-x

 

[destined 2 win]

Ok so, Hiruzen Sarutobi was the Hokage during the Uchiha massacre. And he knew about Danzo's Evil scheme. Yet he did nothing but let Danzo be part of the top Village leaders. Now what kind of Hokage does that??? See now this is basically the Madara vs Hashirama scenario... When hashirama was Hokage he made all the choices. BUT HIRUZEN letted his "friends" do whatever they want.


I find Sarutobi guilty for being a wimpy hokage. And not punishing Danzo.


Sarutobi ruined the Hokage name



What do you guys have to say about him?

if u read manga properly danzo was a good man. yes of course he was cocky and had a little swag but when it comes to protecting konoha he is a true patriot. danzo had a point that by massacring uchihaa's.peace will be restored.it was his opinion irrespective to good or bad to us.

sarutobi knew this fact . either way blood was to be shed so she keep silent.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. And what is Root? Part of the ANBU. And the 2 other elders don't have any authority over ANBU, just the Hokage...? Right, okay.
2. The battle hardened veteran Shinobi of Konoha should kill the Uchiha, even if they're friends, if they threaten the village. If they don't they shouldn't be called Shinobi. I didn't even understand the last part of what you wrote.
3. Konoha is weakened. Kumo, Suna, and Iwa want Konoha destroyed and want some of their Kekkei Genkai. You're saying they wouldn't attack. :sy:
4. When did I say "good or evil"? The Uchiha would single handedly start a WORLD WAR if the coup succeeded. How do you doubt that!? And Danzo is extremely intelligent and a political genius, if he says something will cause a world war odds are it will cause a world war. But you're either too young or too stupid to realize what he says is true. You think Danzo is a bad guy so you disagree with his actions no matter what they are. Danzo is not evil he is morally grey.
Try thinking about complex topics before you mindlessly say/type naive things about said topics, alright? Alright.

1. Again Anbu are controlled by the Hokage.. Of course they are gonna listen to the other 2.. they are the Hokage's counsel.. Root is a seperate division of the Anbu that works for Danzo not the Hokage..

2. Those veterans worked with the uchiha in the wars (Sarutobi already stated this)

3. That is a assumption you made if konoha had gone into a civil war. There is no Direct saying that there WAS gonna be a civil war.. but it was a assumption.

4. Thats my mistake you said "Right" or "Wrong". Uchiha were not dumb enough to start a War.. They made the village themselves.. Without the Uchiha the village would not have existed. Also, Danzo letted the 5th hokage almost die..He will always be a second madara (Madara cared for the leaf)...


And you call me naive yet you fail to realize that Danzo could have stopped so many tragedies and he worked with Orochimaru .... And etc. . Even Madara was better.. He never worked with someone who hated the village lmao.

 

[AWSUM SID]

1. Your basically relying on a "IF" , just like danzo did. Also, many clans could have joined the uchiha.. since the coup was only against 4 ppl.(one of them was reasonable , while the other 3 were a disgrace to Hashirama)

2. Was sarutobi really the dumb?? everyone knew itachi was the strongest uchiha member... God.. And also the fourth Hokage should have told them. but oh well.

3. Again sir he was a kid.. Danzo was a grown-up who knew how to run "sick politics" Unless you can prove to me he had a 3rd choice.. Besides death or Criminal..

4. Statues don't mean anything??? yeaa kishi just putted them in the background for fun right? lol x-x

Just because they are the uchiha many clans would have joined them?? ITACHI KILLED HIS WHOLE CLAN FOR THE VILLAGE. What makes you think the the other clans were less devout towards the village? Hell if word got out of the coup then every shinobi would attack the uchiha regardless what the hokage would have said.
What would have the fourth said? a guy in a mask with a sharingan controlled the kyuubi?? that would never help them but make them more suspicious.
Shikamaru lost in the chuunin exams but was still made chuunin because of his maturity. At that age Itachi was in the anbu and made squad leader. Do you think that they would give a kid such a high post if he were incapable?
Yeah status means something but kishi is the one who killed off the clan.

 

[zoezoe]

because he was the hokage and couldve stopped danzo

:flaw:

he

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weak

sucks

Actually its Hashiramas fought for letting the Uchiha join the Leaf in the 1st place

:flaw:

:flaw:

actually it was kishi's fault lol xd

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Actually its Hashiramas fought for letting the Uchiha join the Leaf in the 1st place

 

[Traffy]

actually it was kishi's fault lol xd

Stop ****ing triple posting damn it, no one cares what you have to say and having one word in each post isn't gonna change how dumb you are.

 

[ChidoriChimp]

shit happens.

 

[WillToWin]

I don't think he is to blame for the deaths of the Uchiha's, because he did not agree with those terms. I only blame for not telling Naruto and Sasuke about it. I mean if you wanted to watch the kids because you feared their future. Why not come clean and clear the air for them? I blame Sarutobi for prolonging Naruto's loneliness and Sasuke's hatred.

 

[HiddenSound]

1. Again Anbu are controlled by the Hokage.. Of course they are gonna listen to the other 2.. they are the Hokage's counsel.. Root is a seperate division of the Anbu that works for Danzo not the Hokage..

2. Those veterans worked with the uchiha in the wars (Sarutobi already stated this)

3. That is a assumption you made if konoha had gone into a civil war. There is no Direct saying that there WAS gonna be a civil war.. but it was a assumption.

4. Thats my mistake you said "Right" or "Wrong". Uchiha were not dumb enough to start a War.. They made the village themselves.. Without the Uchiha the village would not have existed. Also, Danzo letted the 5th hokage almost die..He will always be a second madara (Madara cared for the leaf)...


And you call me naive yet you fail to realize that Danzo could have stopped so many tragedies and he worked with Orochimaru .... And etc. . Even Madara was better.. He never worked with someone who hated the village lmao.

Okay. Do you think Danzo was going to let Oro get a one up on him? And he wasn't even working with him. He sent Sai to kill Sasuke. But again you think Danzo is "bad" even though he's grey. That's all I have to say. There's no use continuing because you're obviously not going to listen. You don't understand the concept of being morally grey, and btw, Konoha wouldve crumbled in an instant without people like Danzo. You can think what you want.
btw, "letted" is not a word.

 

[WillToWin]

Okay. Do you think Danzo was going to let Oro get a one up on him? And he wasn't even working with him. He sent Sai to kill Sasuke. But again you think Danzo is "bad" even though he's grey. That's all I have to say. There's no use continuing because you're obviously not going to listen. You don't understand the concept of being morally grey, and btw, Konoha wouldve crumbled in an instant without people like Danzo. You can think what you want.
btw, "letted" is not a word.

I agree that without Danzo, the village would have been pieces of rubble. I don't like Danzo's personality. He seems like he wanted to become Hokage to become better than Hiruzen. The difference between both of these men is that Hiruzen listens to his people and defends his people in a dedicating way. Danzo is a greedy individual that wants things his own way and he did a lot of malice. He wanted to control the nine-tails and become the ruler of the village. He is also responsible for the Uchiha's demise and he took their power. I never liked him, but he accepted his fate at his last moment. I guess that's the only brave thing he did at the end.

 

[HiddenSound]

I agree that without Danzo, the village would have been pieces of rubble. I don't like Danzo's personality. He seems like he wanted to become Hokage to become better than Hiruzen. The difference between both of these men is that Hiruzen listens to his people and defends his people in a dedicating way. Danzo is a greedy individual that wants things his own way and he did a lot of malice. He wanted to control the nine-tails and become the ruler of the village. He is also responsible for the Uchiha's demise and he took their power. I never liked him, but he accepted his fate at his last moment. I guess that's the only brave thing he did at the end.

Hmmm. How about we agree to completely disagree?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

I compare Hiruzen Sarutobi to Martin Luther King and Danzo Shimura to Malcom X

 

[assman4life]

he too coward to face danzo