Is sarutobi equally to blame for the Uchiha Genocide

[KingHashirama]

Yes attacking your kage means you are a criminal......they were attack them you don't know what civil war is?..are you mental????? lol so you think you can attack your president and not get in trouble??? and Uchiha didn't believe in will of fire only senjus did

If you attack the president and your president is wrong you won't be rogue.. yea. But they weren't attacking the Hokage.. Hokage was the good guy the problem was the other 3. Danzo didn't have guts to come out there..


Uchiha since the starting have gave up alot of power..

 

[Sn0rkack]

He should have named Itachi (maybe even Shisui) his successor or something. The Uchiha would have been all, "Finally the village will see our power!" I always thought Fugaku was just an evil bastard but he didn't seem too bad and really just wanted the clan to have what he felt they deserved. If Itachi or any Uchiha was given the power over the village I think he'd of seen the coup as a mission accomplished. Sarutobi and the council probably saw something way different from what the Uchiha actually wanted.

I don't blame him for it entirely, but his hesitation cost Konoha in the end. His hesitation to deal with the Uchiha and allowing Sasuke to live (Danzou made the deal but if Sarutobi wanted him dead he'd of been dealt with).

 

[~MC117~]

Well the Uchiha were going to attack konoha anyways and a lot of innocent people would have died, but I think that he should have done more and maybe they have come to an agreement but the uchiha were a bunch of idiots anyways.

 

[Netsui]

Ok Danzo DOES NOT protect the village.. but instead does whatever he can to make himself HOKAGE. (he didn't do shit when Oro attacked and letted the third hokage die).

And just because they attack the Hokage does not mean they are Rouge ninja. Also, they won't be directly attacking.. instead its more like a Protest.. Cause apparently the damn leaders were blind as hell.

So far your blaming the cuhiha. Yet not Danzo. who responsible for the Sand attacking the konoha.. Letting Pein destroy the village...

Bold parts.

1. Uhh. Yes, it does. If you attack the Hokage, then that instantly makes you a criminal in the shinobi world. If you care for you country then you would attack anyone who attacked your leader, even if they were from your country. And if they attacked the other councilmen, then they would probably still be in trouble.

2. If it was going to be a protest, then I don't think they would have killed them. If it was a protest then they wouldn't go to such extreme measures to stop them.

Underlined part

1. The Sound 4 put up a barrier, so Danzo, nor anybody else, couldn't have interfered in that fight.

 

[Cascade]

Nop, Danzo.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

No hiruzen is not to blame he did what he could, although i believe he should and could have done more and if he had just alittle more time he would have

 

[KingHashirama]

He should have named Itachi (maybe even Shisui) his successor or something. The Uchiha would have been all, "Finally the village will see our power!" I always thought Fugaku was just an evil bastard but he didn't seem too bad and really just wanted the clan to have what he felt they deserved. If Itachi or any Uchiha was given the power over the village I think he'd of seen the coup as a mission accomplished. Sarutobi and the council probably saw something way different from what the Uchiha actually wanted.

I don't blame him for it entirely, but his hesitation cost Konoha in the end. His hesitation to deal with the Uchiha and allowing Sasuke to live (Danzou made the deal but if Sarutobi wanted him dead he'd of been dealt with).

Si i mostly agree with everything you said.

and finally someone who understands that Fugaku was actually a smart guy. I mean Itachi's flashback kinda prooves it he was calm till the end and had no regrets.

But his hesitations are the things this thread is about. He didn't do the right thing. starting from letting the uchiha be segregated to all the way to the genocide

 

[KingHashirama]

Bold parts.

1. Uhh. Yes, it does. If you attack the Hokage, then that instantly makes you a criminal in the shinobi world. If you care for you country then you would attack anyone who attacked your leader, even if they were from your country. And if they attacked the other councilmen, then they would probably still be in trouble.

2. If it was going to be a protest, then I don't think they would have killed them. If it was a protest then they wouldn't go to such extreme measures to stop them.

Underlined part

1. The Sound 4 put up a barrier, so Danzo, nor anybody else, couldn't have interfered in that fight.

Depends on the Hokage.. if your attack a hokage who is evil as hell then no your not a rogue ninja (if you proove that he is bad).


2. First of all sir, The Konoha leaders made their move..Segregating the uchiha, and then Danzo attacked Shishui (can't spell his name correct sorry). (this attack would have been automatic war but itachi and shishui didn't want that so noone knew abouit it)




Underlined:

1. Danzo had been working Oro

 

[Netsui]

Depends on the Hokage.. if your attack a hokage who is evil as hell then no your not a rogue ninja (if you proove that he is bad).


2. First of all sir, The Konoha leaders made their move..Segregating the uchiha, and then Danzo attacked Shishui (can't spell his name correct sorry). (this attack would have been automatic war but itachi and shishui didn't want that so noone knew abouit it)




Underlined:

1. Danzo had been working Oro

First of all, I'm a girl. xd

And even if he wasn't working with Oro he still couldn't do anything. I would blame Tobi and Danzo for everything, not Sarutobi. Sarutobi tried his best, but his best just wasn't good enough.

 

[Prime Rib]

honestly, i think the 3rd could of avoided the massacare. but i dont really see him as responsible, cause he was the only one to try to negotiate a war etc. he may be hokage, but that dosent mean everything he says goes theres a council who vote on it to.

 

[KingHashirama]

First of all, I'm a girl. xd

And even if he wasn't working with Oro he still couldn't do anything. I would blame Tobi and Danzo for everything, not Sarutobi. Sarutobi tried his best, but his best just wasn't good enough.

awww sorry sista


And he could have saved the third.. and alot of people from dying..

And also, i don't blame Sarutobi for the genocide.. i blame him for letting Danzo run the Gov't.

 

[KingHashirama]

honestly, i think the 3rd could of avoided the massacare. but i dont really see him as responsible, cause he was the only one to try to negotiate a war etc. he may be hokage, but that dosent mean everything he says goes theres a council who vote on it to.

But was he really?? he could have just called a big meeting and letted all the jounin know and call the Feudal lord himself. But they wanted to keep it a secret. Also, Council is there to council him Tsunade has defied the council so many times.

 

[Orochimagus]

You need to work on your wording, Senju Bro.

Danzo is not a criminal, and hit was not a wicked scheme. Danzo ran on pure logic, on what was best. To be "evil" you have to have a sense of ethics to actually choose the evil path. Danzo was beyond that and chose what he believed to be the best thing to do. In this case the Uchiha were planning a coup so THEY were the evil ones, and Danzo, as a hero had to save his country (Assuming he didn't do this just to obtain a bunch of Sharingan). In the end, Danzo wanted to save as much lives as possible, and snuff out potential future issues since the Uchiha were always proud elitists.

Now to go to the ethical person, Sarutobi...Every country has political power, which is why the series has FEUDAL LORDS. Things go beyond me power, as you saw how important INFORMATION is to Danzo. Are you saying Harishima was a dictator who did as he pleased without a council? Where is your evidence to that assumption? Just like Tsunade, Sarutobi, Gaara, and the rest, he must have followed rules. Hiruzen was trying to stall for time to come up with a solution, but he did not foresee two things: One...That Danzo would speak and pressure Itachi without his consent or knowledge. Two...That Itachi would have no faith in others by stalling for time like he had told him to. Itachi chose Danzo and assassinated his people (AND empowered a terrorist like Tobi with all those Sharingan...) without Hiruzen's knowledge.

So in reality, the order of accountability is...

Uchiha > Itachi > Danzo > Council > Sarutobi > Orochimaru

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

But was he really?? he could have just called a big meeting and letted all the jounin know and call the Feudal lord himself. But they wanted to keep it a secret. Also, Council is there to council him Tsunade has defied the council so many times.

Dude stfu lol....he couldn't/didn't do anything THE END....it's obvious that you hate him....

 

[Orochimagus]

lol....NarutoandItachi. >_>

To add to that, Hiruzen basically DID defy the council by asking Itachi to stall. He wasn't caving into the pressure they placed upon him like Itachi did to Danzo. Again, all this was just done between Danzo, and Itachi. Tobi came into the picture too thanks to Itachi.

 

[KingHashirama]

You need to work on your wording, Senju Bro.

Danzo is not a criminal, and hit was not a wicked scheme. Danzo ran on pure logic, on what was best. To be "evil" you have to have a sense of ethics to actually choose the evil path. Danzo was beyond that and chose what he believed to be the best thing to do. In this case the Uchiha were planning a coup so THEY were the evil ones, and Danzo, as a hero had to save his country (Assuming he didn't do this just to obtain a bunch of Sharingan). In the end, Danzo wanted to save as much lives as possible, and snuff out potential future issues since the Uchiha were always proud elitists.

Now to go to the ethical person, Sarutobi...Every country has political power, which is why the series has FEUDAL LORDS. Things go beyond me power, as you saw how important INFORMATION is to Danzo. Are you saying Harishima was a dictator who did as he pleased without a council? Where is your evidence to that assumption? Just like Tsunade, Sarutobi, Gaara, and the rest, he must have followed rules. Hiruzen was trying to stall for time to come up with a solution, but he did not foresee two things: One...That Danzo would speak and pressure Itachi without his consent or knowledge. Two...That Itachi would have no faith in others by stalling for time like he had told him to. Itachi chose Danzo and assassinated his people (AND empowered a terrorist like Tobi with all those Sharingan...) without Hiruzen's knowledge.

So in reality, the order of accountability is...

Uchiha > Itachi > Danzo > Council > Sarutobi > Orochimaru

Well then in that sense noone in naruto is truly evil everyone is doing what they think is right.


And also planning a coup'd doesn't make someone evil.. Do you know what the coup'd was for?? you can't just say they were gonna coup and hey they are evil. Noone actually considers Danzo a hero.. Even the current Hokage.. lol. Danzo has done more horrible stuff to the Leaf then anyone from outside. Even though he said he was doing what was best for the leaf.. Madara did the samething.. he threatened people like Onaki (or Onoki) to be the leaf's slaves.. So was he a hero??.

Sarutobi = Hashirama Danzo = Madara. Danzo got 2 hokages killed.


uh no.. The first hokage had Tobirama.. and etc as his counsel BUT he was decisive.. But notice this Hashirama didn't let Madara control a part of the gov't. Yet Sarutobi did let Danzo control part of it. Also Do you honestly believe Sarutobi did his best to avoid the Genocide?? The uchiha had the Right to coup.. When a country shows prejudice against its people the people have the right to coup.

Counsel is there to counsel you... not control the hokage.. the hokage ANSWERS TO HIS PEOPLE not the damn counsel.

 

[KingHashirama]

lol....NarutoandItachi. >_>

To add to that, Hiruzen basically DID defy the council by asking Itachi to stall. He wasn't caving into the pressure they placed upon him like Itachi did to Danzo. Again, all this was just done between Danzo, and Itachi. Tobi came into the picture too thanks to Itachi.

Hiruzen can defy the counsel hes the damn hokage, only people he can't defy is the People and the ninja of the village ( Will of FIRE) .. During minato's time there wasn't any coup.. but when the 3rd cameback (with danzo) trouble began all over.

Buddy this is konoha.. ok This is the village the UChiha helped make. Hiruzen had already showed hes not decisive before this incident.

Dude stfu lol....he couldn't/didn't do anything THE END....it's obvious that you hate him....

dude no point telling me to shut up if you don't know what a hokage can do lol. its more like He could've/ should've. And me speakin about sarutobi means i hate him? o dear god

 

[Orochimagus]

You have no idea how politics work, do you? Hokage does not mean dictatorship, just like being a president. Obama cannot enforce his views, and can be outvoted. It just isn't that simple. The Uchiha were given status to the point where they were the police. They were highly respected in the village for their special powers but the Uchiha were generally upstart and looked down on others so they kept themselves separate from the rest of the "lower ninja". Noticed even the civilian Uchiha would only wear their style of clothes? How many do you see dressed in Konoha gear?

When Minato was alive there was no coup because they feared Minato since he was godly. There also was no coup during Harishima's rule because he was godly. There was no coup during most of Hiruzen's rule either. Only when he got old. This shows he ran the village very well. He loved everyone in the village, including the Uchiha. The coup was for nothing more than to gain power.

 

[KingHashirama]

You have no idea how politics work, do you? Hokage does not mean dictatorship, just like being a president. Obama cannot enforce his views, and can be outvoted. It just isn't that simple. The Uchiha were given status to the point where they were the police. They were highly respected in the village for their special powers but the Uchiha were generally upstart and looked down on others so they kept themselves separate from the rest of the "lower ninja". Noticed even the civilian Uchiha would only wear their style of clothes? How many do you see dressed in Konoha gear?

When Minato was alive there was no coup because they feared Minato since he was godly. There also was no coup during Harishima's rule because he was godly. There was no coup during most of Hiruzen's rule either. Only when he got old. This shows he ran the village very well. He loved everyone in the village, including the Uchiha. The coup was for nothing more than to gain power.

Your point would have been perfect.. right on target. ONLY if a hokage was like the president. Hokage is like King/President.

Also outvoted only works if there are 3 branches.. Hokage is the sole King . I will say this again Counsel is there to give advice they cannot "Veto" the Hokage.

The uchiha were respected during until Minato's death.. ok. But we aren't talking about the past. We are talking about what led to the Coup.

Reasons for the coup:

1. Assuming the whole clan is at a fault for the nine-tails.

2. Segregating the clan and moving them to the outskirts of konoha.

3. (This is was the final result of the other 2 reasons) after all the things uchiha had done for the leaf.. This is how they treat them??? so why would they not want a hand in politics.


Also, Minato was Godly?? uh no. Minato was strong but no Godly... Uchiha could have just screwed up the senju with madara's help but they wanted peace. UCHIHA CHANGED. This is what your not getting..

And also i agree Hiruzen before minato became hokage was Awsome. But im talking about after minato's death. He messed up badly

 

[Exaar]

I think this guy is just Trolling.

I find it hard to believe that he cannot understand what people are telling him.