Is Obito WORTHY of redemption?

[Ja maya]

It wasn't wrong to him. His perspective is the only thing that matters when considering the implications of what he did from the other side.

But he was looking from a clouded perspective, a perspective ridden with greif and loneliness. If you were in his view point nothing would seem wrong, but from a worldwide view you can accurately measure the things he did wrong.

 

[Tennis Robot]

But he was looking from a clouded perspective, a perspective ridden with greif and loneliness. If your were in his view point nothing would seem wrong, but from a worldwide view you can accurately measure the things he did wrong.

That's what you need to understand. All of you. Myself included. Everyone's perspective is clouded. The reason that Naruto is so amazing is that he looks at things from other people's perspectives. He just isn't...intelligent about it. But that's the way he is. That's the message. That's how peace can be achieved.

No it isn't, his perspective matters, but must be held up to known moral standards. Your argument could easily be used to justify Hitler's actions, to put it into perspective.

Yeah, it could. That's the point. I even told you about this earlier.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

It wasn't wrong to him. His perspective is the only thing that matters when considering the implications of what he did from the other side.

No it isn't, his perspective matters, but must be held up to known moral standards. Your argument could easily be used to justify Hitler's actions, to put it into perspective.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'd imagine Obito only reached his conclusion that Madara was worthless over time, and Obito was manipulating Nagato, regardless of whether or not Nagato knew Madara.

But thats the part where Obito adopted maddy's plan for himself and chosen to use nagato for his own good not for madara's sake.

Nagato had rinnegan after all and it was necessary piece to the plan, no way around it.

 

[Tennis Robot]

At the end of the day, everyone is a person. This thread was resolved in the first reply.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Thats irrelevant since Obito didnt literally rape anyone. Get you stupid ass scenarios elsewhere.

I see you failed to see the point.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

But thats the part where Obito adopted maddy's plan for himself and chosen to use nagato for his own good not for madara's sake.

Nagato had rinnegan after all and it was necessary piece to the plan, no way around it.

I love you.

 

[Lightbringer]

You are putting yourselves in the way. You are meaningless here.

What? Dude you're logic justifies everyone's actions then. Just because someone thinks something is right doesn't make it right.

Obito's actions were meant to satisfy his own selfish needs and he realized that which is why he had a change of heart.

Obito knew full well that he was killing people are sacrificing them in order to achieve his goal. He wasn't always evil, he just gave up on his previous moral standards after meeting with Madara.

He lied, killed, kidnapped, and caused war all for his own benefit. He never took into consideration of anyone elses lives that were affected by his actions. That makes what he was doing wrong.

 

[Ja maya]

That's what you need to understand. All of you. Myself included. Everyone's perspective is clouded. The reason that Naruto is so amazing is that he looks at things from other people's perspectives. He just isn't...intelligent about it. But that's the way he is. That's the message. That's how peace can be achieved.

That's how I analyze "evil" characters or criminals. I can see through his perspective but don't deny what he did caused suffering. Your ignoring the crimes he committed for the sake of "but, it wasn't wrong to him." You kill someone because you have suffered tremendously emotionally, doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

What? Dude you're logic justifies everyone's actions then. Just because someone thinks something is right doesn't make it right.

Obito's actions were meant to satisfy his own selfish needs and he realized that which is why he had a change of heart.

Obito knew full well that he was killing people are sacrificing them in order to achieve his goal. He wasn't always evil, he just gave up on his previous moral standards after meeting with Madara.

Exactly, no matter how Obito tried to justify it, no matter how much he told himself he could bring everyone back, he did a lot of awful shit, that much can't be denied, and, I ain't hating, he's my fave, I'm just telling it like it is.

 

[Tennis Robot]

What? Dude you're logic justifies everyone's actions then. Just because someone thinks something is right doesn't make it right.

Obito's actions were meant to satisfy his own selfish needs and he realized that which is why he had a change of heart.

Obito knew full well that he was killing people are sacrificing them in order to achieve his goal. He wasn't always evil, he just gave up on his previous moral standards after meeting with Madara.

Not right to YOU. You are putting yourself in the way of understanding the other person. You think that you live the way you are supposed to, right? Why is that? Because you have reasons for the things that you do. Has it ever occurred to you that other people are the same way? For peace to be achieved, we must be receptive to the reasonings of the people around us. That's why my new motto is: PM me your autobiography

 

[AlphaScythian]

I see you failed to see the point.

The point where im supposed to judge someone for what hasnt happened? You call that a point?

Its strong bias in my book.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Not right to YOU. You are putting yourself in the way of understanding the other person. You think that you live the way you are supposed to, right? Why is that? Because you have reasons for the things that you do. Has it ever occurred to you that other people are the same way? For peace to be achieved, we must be receptive to the reasonings of the people around us. That's why my new motto is: PM me your autobiography

Yeah, trying to understand people is one thing, refusing to admit their faults and the wrongs they did is a bit too far. It's nice to know that there are people like that, but, glossing over someone's crimes is a dangerous thing to do.

 

[Lightbringer]

Not right to YOU. You are putting yourself in the way of understanding the other person. You think that you live the way you are supposed to, right? Why is that? Because you have reasons for the things that you do. Has it ever occurred to you that other people are the same way?

Understanding someone's actions doesn't mean I would agree with them. We saw Obito's transformation and know why he did the things he did. I understand Obito's character, that doesn't mean I accept what he did was right.

Rapists and murderers probably think what they're doing is right. So does that mean if I understood them, I would agree with them? Not at all.

The standard of living is made by the community, not the individual, and that standard changes through time. But there are some things that remained present throughout history.

Killing, rape, lying, stealing, etc. are considered acts of evil by almost everyone on the planet in any point in history.




The entire NV disagreed with Obito, including Obito himself. So yes, what he did was wrong.

 

[UltraPain]

Not right to YOU. You are putting yourself in the way of understanding the other person. You think that you live the way you are supposed to, right? Why is that? Because you have reasons for the things that you do. Has it ever occurred to you that other people are the same way? For peace to be achieved, we must be receptive to the reasonings of the people around us. That's why my new motto is: PM me your autobiography

Then why didn't Obito try to work with people and actually be receptive to their views?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Then why didn't Obito try to work with people and actually be receptive to their views?

Cuz they weren't cool enough.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Yeah, trying to understand people is one thing, refusing to admit their faults and the wrongs they did is a bit too far. It's nice to know that there are people like that, but, glossing over someone's crimes is a dangerous thing to do.

Once again, you're being myopic. That's a part of understanding someone. Once you understand someone, you know why they are the way they are. Everything becomes clear. That is when you can accept them, and help them to better understand themselves and others.

Then why didn't Obito try to work with people and actually be receptive to their views?

No one did. Naruto is the only person who has done it. That is why he is the savior of the world.

Understanding someone's actions doesn't mean I would agree with them. We saw Obito's transformation and know why he did the things he did. I understand Obito's character, that doesn't mean I accept what he did was right.

Rapists and murderers probably think what they're doing is right. So does that mean if I understood them, I would agree with them? Not at all.

The standard of living is made by the community, not the individual, and that standard changes through time. But there are some things that remained present throughout history.

Killing, rape, lying, stealing, etc. are considered acts of evil by almost everyone on the planet in any point in history.
The entire NV disagreed with Obito, including Obito himself. So yes, what he did was wrong.

You don't have to agree with them. When you understand them, you know how they can be fixed. That is the point.

 

[Lightbringer]

Once again, you're being myopic. That's a part of understanding someone. Once you understand someone, you know why they are the way they are. Everything becomes clear. That is when you can accept them, and help them to better understand themselves and others.

That doesn't excuse their actions. If they lived in a society where moral obligations are taught, then he should have no excuse regardless of his past.

 

[UltraPain]

No one did. Naruto is the only person who has done it. That is why he is the savior of the world.

Hashirama and Jiraiya tried to bring peace, but just because their ideals did not work out they still didn't attack the planet.

 

[Ja maya]

Once again, you're being myopic. That's a part of understanding someone. Once you understand someone, you know why they are the way they are. Everything becomes clear. That is when you can accept them, and help them to better understand themselves and others.

I understand what your trying to prove but @the bold. I have a question, in your ideology once you accept them you accept the crime they have committed?