Is Obito WORTHY of redemption?

[Tennis Robot]

Good for you. You know what's best for yourself

Not for me.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Yes I am. Why do you care ?

I will eat Canada one day.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Obito is to blame for helping Madara in the first place, who in turn brought Kaguya. Obito already knew better about Madara but changed everything because of one person's death. Other shinobi have lost dozens of comrades and they have had more resolve.

Obito didn't unite anything. Again, this means any villain can be thanked because others had to band together to defeat them.

You fail to understand that Obito adopted the plan of madara to solve whole misery in this world via IT. He didnt help madara and he didnt know what IT truly was.

Once again you're too blind. Obito united nations as common enemy yes but he's the enemy cuz he had enough of those nations shit always waging wars together and not doing any good.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

The kages were responsible for forming the alliance. Giving Obito credit for that is like saying Darth Sideous created the rebellion, or that Hitler is to thank for the post WW2 era.



Obito is to blame for unleashing the Juubi and helping Madara in the first place, which in turn brought Kaguya.Obito already knew better about Madara but changed everything because of one person's death. Other shinobi have lost dozens of comrades and they have had more resolve.

Obito didn't unite anything. Again, this means any villain can be thanked because others had to band together to defeat them. Are you really saying there was no other way for the entire shinobi world to be saved than for than for Obito to start a war under Madara's will?

Think about it this way, he was heavily manipulated, and basically had no one but Madara to turn to. Even Anakin at least had Obi-Wan and Padme (he just preferred to be an ass) Obito only had some creepy (possibly senile) old man in a cave. Not to mention, Madara pulled not a single punch in the manipulation, having Rin killed, trying to brainwash him for months on end before that (specifically to break his resolve and make him think he fought for nothing at the proper moment). The guy went as far as making sure Obito couldn't even commit suicide if he decided to end his suffering in an easier way. The poor kid never stood a chance.

 

[legarcon]

The kages were responsible for forming the alliance. Giving Obito credit for that is like saying Darth Sideous created the rebellion, or that Hitler is to thank for the post WW2 era.



Obito is to blame for unleashing the Juubi and helping Madara in the first place, which in turn brought Kaguya.Obito already knew better about Madara but changed everything because of one person's death. Other shinobi have lost dozens of comrades and they have had more resolve.

Obito didn't unite anything. Again, this means any villain can be thanked because others had to band together to defeat them. Are you really saying there was no other way for the entire shinobi world to be saved than for than for Obito to start a war under Madara's will?

well but if obito hadnt declared war on all 5 great nations, there wouldnt be a SA in the first place, i´m not saying obito should be thank for that, but he played a major role in the formation of SA, it was like some people say a happy accident, an accident that got them in the right direction, besides as soon as he realized he made a huge mistake he tried to make up for that because in his heart he really though what he was doing was good.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I will eat Canada one day.

Good luck with that Lol

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

He is the savior of NV and the destroyer of NV. Haters gonna hate

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Not for me.

You seem like a nice guy. I apologize for my rash behaviour...

 

[UltraPain]

You fail to understand that Obito adopted the plan of madara to solve whole misery in this world via IT. He didnt help madara and he didnt know what IT truly was.

Once again you're too blind. Obito united nations as common enemy yes but he's the enemy cuz he had enough of those nations shit always waging wars together and not doing any good.

So let me get this straight, Obito adopted Madaras plan of death and destruction by causing more death and destruction? Obito might have had a different way to handle the world than Madara, but in the end it was still terrible every person on the earth. Would you want to live in IT just so someone can tell you what they think makes you happy? Just so Obito can go play with Rin?

There were obviously better people out there that Obito could have collaborated with in spreading the ideology of peace if he really wanted, like Minato, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, NAGATO, etc. Using war to stop war doesn't even make any sense. That's like going to war with the middle east just because there is so much fighting there. It doesn't solve anything.

Think about it this way, he was heavily manipulated, and basically had no one but Madara to turn to. Even Anakin at least had Obi-Wan and Padme (he just preferred to be an ass) Obito only had some creepy (possibly senile) old man in a cave. Not to mention, Madara pulled not a single punch in the manipulation, having Rin killed, trying to brainwash him for months on end before that (specifically to break his resolve and make him think he fought for nothing at the proper moment). The guy went as far as making sure Obito couldn't even commit suicide if he decided to end his suffering in an easier way. The poor kid never stood a chance.

I definitely agree that Madara's plan was well thought out and executed, however I find it difficult to agree with Obito's willpower. Would you fall for something like Madara or would you be able to think beyond it? I think most people could.

 

[legarcon]

As for having no determination you cannot really expect that an orphan who had no parental figures his whole life, who is sent to war when he´s merely a teen and almost dies to then see the most important person in his life get murdered by the hands of his best friend, can you really expect a person like that to turn out well? i dont.

Besides naruto was strong because he always had somebody by his side, iruka was there when he realized he was the kyuuby vessel, when he was shaking from fear in his first battle, kakashi and sasuke were supporting him, when sasuke left kakashi and jiraya were there for him, when jiraya died shikamaru was there, when obito was about to tnj naruto, hinata was there and there are many more situation when naruto gets support from others, while obito in the most defining moment of his life had madara who twistted his good intentions and his pain. do you see the difference now?

 

[UltraPain]

As for having no determination you cannot really expect that an orphan who have no parental figures his whole life, who is sent to war when he´s merely a teen and almost dies to then see the most important person in his life get murdered by the hands of his best friend, can you really expect a person like that to turn out well? i dont, besides naruto was strong because he always had someby by his side, iruka was there when he realized he was the kyuuby vessel, when he was shaking from fear in his first battle, kakashi and sasuke were supporting him, when sasuke left kakashi and jiraya were there for him, when jiraya died shikamaru was there, when obito was about to tnj naruto, hinata was there and there are many more situation when naruto gets support from others, while obito in the most defining moment of his life had madara who twistted his good intentions and his pain. do you see the difference now?

Obito had Minato, Kushina, Kakashi and Rin. It's also pretty easy to assume Hiruzen was there for him too since Hiruzen had a huge reputation for helping the villagers. We grow stronger relationships if we are willing to connect and work for them, you can't just expect them to pop up out of the blue. Naruto is different because he worked hard, cared, and earned those relationships.

Kakashi is also an excellent example. He was able to stay good despite everything he lost.

I might not agree on every part of what we are discussing but I do like a lot of your points. It is very hard for someone who had so little to turn out good.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

So let me get this straight, Obito adopted Madaras plan of death and destruction by causing more death and destruction? Obito might have had a different way to handle the world than Madara, but in the end it was still terrible every person on the earth. Would you want to live in IT just so someone can tell you what they think makes you happy? Just so Obito can go play with Rin?

There were obviously better people out there that Obito could have collaborated with in spreading the ideology of peace if he really wanted, like Minato, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, NAGATO, etc. Using war to stop war doesn't even make any sense. That's like going to war with the middle east just because there is so much fighting there. It doesn't solve anything.



I definitely agree that Madara's plan was well thought out and executed, however I find it difficult to agree with Obito's willpower. Would you fall for something like Madara or would you be able to think beyond it? I think most people could.

If I'm a 13 year old child soldier with nobody to turn to and no way to end my own life? Perhaps.

 

[UltraPain]

If I'm a 13 year old child soldier with nobody to turn to and no way to end my own life? Perhaps.

But all the way until you're in your 30's?

 

[Angelic.]

onohki said it himself that the alliance wouldnt exist without akatsuki.
obito saw shinobi enduring as meaningless. it would get them nowhere.
he only declared war to get the bijuu. they should have just handed them over. ^.^
he was a nihilist who didnt care about the real world.
rin would have died either way so her choice may have protected some but it changed nothing about the world. same as obitos own.

he tried his best at the end from the bottom of his heart.
he still saw himself as a criminal.

obito didnt get a chance to forge relationships. he was stuck. even in his what if it wouldnt have been realistic.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

But all the way until you're in your 30's?

If I've been indoctrinated, likely. You act as if shit like that doesn't happen in the real world, not to mention, if he was fully Madara's slave he could've easily gotten it over and done with.

 

[AlphaScythian]

So let me get this straight, Obito adopted Madaras plan of death and destruction by causing more death and destruction? Obito might have had a different way to handle the world than Madara, but in the end it was still terrible every person on the earth. Would you want to live in IT just so someone can tell you what they think makes you happy? Just so Obito can go play with Rin?

It was not a plan of death and destruction. It was supposed to be *wild IT appears* but since akatsuki made lots of noise and nations hid their jins he resorted to war.

I'd rather live in IT then in village where i cant go out w/o being labelled a missinin and hunted down.

Dont mix rin in it, its clear bias, he could use nagato to revive her any minute, he wanted to fix the world ffs.

There were obviously better people out there that Obito could have collaborated with in spreading the ideology of peace if he really wanted, like Minato, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, NAGATO, etc. Using war to stop war doesn't even make any sense. That's like going to war with the middle east just because there is so much fighting there. It doesn't solve anything.

And best of them hashirama tried, he soon waged another war and died. Good plan. Never attempted before. 100% guaranteed result. What are you, naruto?

I definitely agree that Madara's plan was well thought out and executed, however I find it difficult to agree with Obito's willpower. Would you fall for something like Madara or would you be able to think beyond it? I think most people could.

He gave his eyes to some random kid(nagato) and then thought another random kid(Obito) would make everything as he asked and just died. No flaw there, none.

 

[Tennis Robot]

But all the way until you're in your 30's?

You aren't thinking about it deeply enough.

 

[UltraPain]

If I've been indoctrinated, likely. You act as if shit like that doesn't happen in the real world, not to mention, if he was fully Madara's slave he could've easily gotten it over and done with.

But usually to stay in that mindet you have to stay exposed to the environment and culture. Obito had plenty of time to learn something new and mature himself, but he didn't. Wouldn't you call that a weak mindset?

 

[Lightbringer]

Everyone is worthy of redemption.

Only the price is different to the individual.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

It was not a plan of death and destruction. It was supposed to be *wild IT appears* but since akatsuki made lots of noise and nations hid their jins he resorted to war.

I'd rather live in IT then in village where i cant go out w/o being labelled a missinin and hunted down.

Dont mix rin in it, its clear bias, he could use nagato to revive her any minute, he wanted to fix the world ffs.
And best of them hashirama tried, he soon waged another war and died. Good plan. Never attempted before. 100% guaranteed result. What are you, naruto?

He gave his eyes to some random kid(nagato) and then thought another random kid(Obito) would make everything as he asked and just died. No flaw there, none.

There wasn't a flaw, being as both kids were his pawns for long after his death.