Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

[BloodSeed]

naruto has 26 in Databook, YEAH, RIGHT; Tsunade and Orochimaru have both 35 and i seriously don't see Tsunade beating Orochimaru

that is just big MAYBE, and Jiraya would have to get into SM before Amaterasu hits his ass



hint hint, Itachi was ally of Konoha, why would he kill someone who was at the time the strongest person in Konoha?

show me a scan that itachi doesnt want to kill jiraiya because he is an ally of konoha. if not YOU are just SPECULATING!!!!

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

i knew it, something like this will happen

 

[Viewtiful]

first of all where are you getting this 13 yr old itachi beat oro crap he was like 19 or 20....2nd oro and jiraiya's fighting styles are totally diff oro didnt necessarily attack itachi he tried to subdue him with his snake arms.....point is jiraiya would never be caught in a situation like that so your points = FAIL

Itachi was 13-14 at the time. He was roughly the same age as he was when he committed the Uchiha clan massacre. He was 17-18 when he first appeared in Part 1.

 

[OWanime]

nice +rep even though it's been made b4 thx for clearing things up...again xd

 

[blood hound]

I really can't believe that i missed this thread...... Man i am on page 11 that is crap.
Jman got this with near death xd. I have stated this before lol. I really can't belive i missed the argument how come know one told me.

Itachi said that he well draw with jman and even with kisama, and yet people are saying that he well kill him.
Alot of people say that kakashi b*** it with oro but kakashi had chidori locked and ready and would have went for the kill. While itachi said that him and kisame can't fight jman and didn't even do but run.
You might say it's because he is an ally off konoha, but yet he hit kakashi with tsokyume ( sorry for spelling ) went after naruto..... If he was an ally how come he wasn't killing of akutsuki member's slowly like diedera.......

 

[Virus..]

itachi would win

 

[stinkey]

itachi himself said that if him and kisame will fight one of them will die. so J-Man > itachi+kisame

 

[khaydz5]

everyone that says itachi>jiraya is either overrating itachi or underrating jiraiya.

I don't know why itachi fans doesn't believe what their god said. itachi already stated that he can only draw with jiraiya and nothing more.. those are honest opinion of a genius IMO, itachi and kisame's actions during that time proves it.

 

[Viewtiful]

Itachi said that it would likely be a draw, but no better than that.

 

[Avani]

Not necessarily my opinion when their feats and abilities says otherwise. What kisame said is no different to what pein or zetsu said. All was in praise, nothing more.

Feats says it all.

Seems like people take praise too seriously.
When they did finally meet tell me, was kisame scared?. Is he not the one who blocked jiriaya for itachi to beat the crap out of sasuke. Isnt this the same person who praised jiraiya. Action speaks louder than words

Blocked Jiraiya? I suggest you take a break from forum and go back to reading manga.

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It was Sasuke , the brat, who asked him to stop and rushed to Itachi himself only to be get beaten within seconds and then the Akatsuki duo was trapped in the belly of toad.

Kisame told Itachi not to use his eye this soon again :

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Naruto rushed forward and Kisame rushed after Naruto.

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Kisame along with Samehada were useless next second.

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Why did they run?, kisame himself asked itachi the same question and itachi made an excuse.

Anyway ive showed you that action> words
Action, feat, abilities>>>>>>>> words.

When jiraiya finally showed up neither kisame or itachi was fazed and if you go back kisame mocked jiriaya right in front of him. Before he held blocked him with confidence. This doesnt seem like the actions of somebody who is scared. All he did (and many characters have done this) is pay respect for a sannin or somebody who has been praised prior to what their meeting

I already showed Kisame didn't do anything besides sacaring Naruto.

Itachi used his Tsukoyomi and then Amaterasu and was tired. Even Kisame had warned him before about not using it twice on the same day. Unlike sage mode Sharingan is a costly tech and leads to blindness. You think he would be able to pull it off a third time without personal risk..That's an assumption with no back up from the manga.

You keep putting Itachi in Konoha to the Itachi as an edo equal. Naruto and Sasuke grew up in the time gap. Don't you think Itachi's capacities would also have been increased in that duration. He couldn't have been more than 16-18 at the time max.( He was ANBU captain at 13. Massacare took place and he had returned Konoha after three year. We don't know how long Itachi was captain before turning rogue). Jiraiya was already a veteron and sealed Amaterasu up. And Guy entered the scene soon after chasing Sasuke in his turn missing the duo by moments since they had run away.

Picking and chosing scene and dialogues according to ones convinience and rejecting if it doesn't suit them is not the way to analyse a character in a story.

Note: I am not stating any opinion on the VS battle in this or any other circumstances. The end result could go both ways- battles in Narutoverse depends on the circumstances on that particular moment and I let only Kishi have an opinion about it.

 

[Sozaa]

Wrong.

Nshi made one thing clear: Itachi would lose in single combat against Jiraiya. THIS IS WHY HE WAS UNWILLING TO OPENLY ENGAGE HIM EVEN WITH KISAME BACKING HIM UP. See manga for explanation.

Itachi rated Jiraiya > Itachi/Kisame, and Kakashi > Kisame. This is in the manga. You can argue all you want but nothing you say changes FACTS.

 

[Viewtiful]

He rated Jiraiya=Itachi, but that the addition of Kisame or another didn't change the result.

 

[BloodSeed]

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-> No wonder, though. Itachi couild easily take down Jiraiya with Amaterasu in that tight corridor if he wanted to.

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TAKE A F*KING GOOD LOOK AT ITACHI AFTER HE USES AMATERASU. LOOK NO SWEAT

 

[BloodSeed]

Why did they run?, kisame himself asked itachi the same question and itachi made an excuse.

Anyway ive showed you that action> words
Action, feat, abilities>>>>>>>> words.

When jiraiya finally showed up neither kisame or itachi was fazed and if you go back kisame mocked jiriaya right in front of him. Before he held blocked him with confidence. This doesnt seem like the actions of somebody who is scared. All he did (and many characters have done this) is pay respect for a sannin or somebody who has been praised prior to what their meeting

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yeah he made an excuse and spilled water on his face to make it more realistic he's quite a good actor you know

 

[MangekyouJ]

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are asked nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be taken with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

Very well thought of...even though you used the reference of the databook incorrectly. By manga, Itachi told Kisame that Jiraiya would kill them both, even though they outnumbered him 2-1. Which goes to say, Itachi was afraid to combat against Jiraiya....Every shinobi has a choice to fight or flight. Those smart enough to KNOW that they can't win wouldn't even try, but would flee to the best of their ability.

 

[ProdigyXItachi]

Blaze release come on! It was even stated plainly in the manga that they would draw (both end up hurting each other badly/killing each other). I love Itachi favorite character ever but I'm not gonna say that he would win every time just because he's my favorite! It seems pretty obvious they were equals or about even. Yes I would tend to favor Itachi as his MS techniques would be generally hard for Jiriaya to deal with, but with that said, the outcome of their fight would depend on circumstance!!!

 

[Sozaa]

Kisame mocking him doesn't mean he is stronger. He mocked Kakashi too and itachi said flat out if you fight Kakashi, you will get hurt.

 

[Zato]

I love how all of you just skips what Tobi said about Itachi. I suggest you re read "Illusions" chapter. It was clearly stated that Itachi went to Konoha not to capture Naruto but to let the 3rd and Danzo know that he is still alive and to check up on Sasuke. Which would imply that he was ill even during this era. They probably figured he died off from the illness but it was revealed that Itachi used meds to prolong his life. So the elders probably knew he was sick and dying.

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Itachi sworn to protect Konoha, this is why he made the pact with Tobi not to attack Konoha if he helped him that night. So why in the hell would he fight Jiraiya? Some people do not listen to the story at all. It was clear they Itachi joined Akatsuki as a double agent. Tobi was the only one who knew this because he made the damn pact with Tobi to protect Konoha. Itachi probably wasn't aware that Tobi knew that much. Why would Itachi go and kill off of the strongest members of the leaf? Of course he lied to Kisame when Kisame questioned him. Why did they truly retreat? Because his mission was over. That mission was to check on Sasuke and let Danzo know that he is still alive so he wouldn't break his promise after the 3rd died.

 

[Viewtiful]

I love how all of you just skips what Tobi said about Itachi. I suggest you re read "Illusions" chapter. It was clearly stated that Itachi went to Konoha not to capture Naruto but to let the 3rd and Danzo know that he is still alive and to check up on Sasuke. Which would imply that he was ill even during this era. They probably figured he died off from the illness but it was revealed that Itachi used meds to prolong his life. So the elders probably knew he was sick and dying.

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Itachi sworn to protect Konoha, this is why he made the pact with Tobi not to attack Konoha if he helped him that night. So why in the hell would he fight Jiraiya? Some people do not listen to the story at all. It was clear they Itachi joined Akatsuki as a double agent. Tobi was the only one who knew this because he made the damn pact with Tobi to protect Konoha. Itachi probably wasn't aware that Tobi knew that much. Why would Itachi go and kill off of the strongest members of the leaf? Of course he lied to Kisame when Kisame questioned him. Why did they truly retreat? Because his mission was over. That mission was to check on Sasuke and let Danzo know that he is still alive so he wouldn't break his promise after the 3rd died.

Because he had no problem ordering the killing of three other skilled Jonin: Asuma, Kurenai, and Kakashi the chapter before that one.

 

[Pizcobaby]

Bugs me that I wasn't one of the first comments because I gauruntee less people will read this but this is the honest fanboyless truth. Itachi > Jiraiya. Just because a few characters say it, doesn't mean it's true and things change greatly.

Itachi first off was always extremely modest as to keep a low profile. So relying simply on what characters said a lonnnnnng while before we even know that much about Itachi is silly.

Second, we all know that Kisame was way out of Itachi's level, but as we see Kisame actually fight later on, he may have actually put up a true challenging fight for Jiraiya.

Third, we have to look at the techniques each character has themselves; Jiraiya is an intensely melee fighter with extremely good summoning jutsus and a few powerful elemntal jutsus as well fairy powerful ninjutsus (able to trab several Peins at once).

Itachi however is equally if not more capable melee wise (extreme speed with moderate stamina), he has even morepowerful elemental jutsu's, (ameratsu,fire ect), we haven't really seen him summon anything so that is somewhat in the dark, but in a fight against Jiraiya summonings wouldn't really be the pinnacle of a fight, it would just bee too quick, and finally he has the ninjutsu capabilities of the "top 5 ninjas" (susanno).

It would be a really intense fight but honestly Itachi would win all fanboyness aside.