Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

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Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya
 
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If your base for such a thread is on data book stats then you really dont have an argument im afraid. Sure they might have the same stats, but stats do not decide a fight. Loads of things decide a fight and if you were to analyse their abilities in detail and disregard stats, youd come to the conclusion that itachi is superior to jiraiya.

The first paragraph was enough for me.
 

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true bro its a misconception itachi himself stated that he can't beat jiraya even if kisame is with him and kisame just quit fighting him its not everyday that itachi complements someone...
 

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If your base for such a thread is on data book stats then you really dont have an argument im afraid. Sure they might have the same stats, but stats do not decide a fight. Loads of things decide a fight and if you were to analyse their abilities in detail and disregard stats, youd come to the conclusion that itachi is superior to jiraiya.

The first paragraph was enough for me.
yeah in naruto plot no jutsu decides the course of battle... and not strength but jiraya wasn't complemented by itachi,kisame without a reason....
 

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Great explanation, +rep incoming.
Thx

If your base for such a thread is on data book stats then you really dont have an argument im afraid. Sure they might have the same stats, but stats do not decide a fight. Loads of things decide a fight and if you were to analyse their abilities in detail and disregard stats, youd come to the conclusion that itachi is superior to jiraiya.

The first paragraph was enough for me.
Read the thread and don't be ignorant U_U
 

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woah thhere..... there is a difference between a statement from kishi and a characters belief or assumption

I don't recall ever seeing in the databook , Itachi < Jiraya, or itachi = jiraya for that matter..

Kabuto told naruto he was going to die now

^ did it happen ? no , everything characters say isn't always true... tons of cases of that in the manga....
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You are horribly mistaken.... ANY toad jiraya summons will aid to his defeat even quicker.. seeing that basic 3 tomoe sharingan can control boss summons like manda..

Jiraya has NOTHING.. base mode with NO Frogs.....

pain said , jiraya MIGHT have been able to beat him if he knew his secret..and then said himself, thats the highest praise he could give to his former master...... thats the official trans...

i could swear digital monster's post already destroyed this dunb itachi<jiraya , itachi = jiraya crap ,

But reopen a versus thread and and make 1 scenario , with manga knowledge where jiraya beats itachi while starting in base, which i can't counter..
 

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What? databook scores? you mean the thing written by kishi himself? Yeah, real turn off...

Whatever floats your boat.
Ive argued all your points on numerous occasions.
I cannot be bothered to repeat myself. You are entitled to believe itachi = jiraiya though
 

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Just when we are starting to see Jiraiya's true strength, he decided to get killed for sake of village. Think taking on 6 paths with rinnegan the fabled doujutsu with little prior info still he the chance of retreating, yet not decided to, died as a true ninja. Only ppl above Jiraiya in leaf village are 1st,2nd,3rd Hokages themselves... None other..
 

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Just when we are starting to see Jiraiya's true strength, he decided to get killed for sake of village. Think taking on 6 paths with rinnegan the fabled doujutsu with little prior info still he the chance of retreating, yet not decided to, died as a true ninja. Only ppl above Jiraiya in leaf village are 1st,2nd,3rd Hokages themselves... None other..
I imagine the 2nd and 3rd Hokage would of come out far worse for wear if they fought Jiraiya to :)
 
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