Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya
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yes you do, your being incredibly ignorant because you can't admit Jiraiya is equal to Itachi. And Itachi was equal to Nagato who was CRIPPLED AND they were both edo's. were talking about when they were alive. Itachi Was RAVAGED by disease, had low stamina, (POSSIBLY) low chakra, and poor eyesight. ALL that was removed when he became an edo.
I think they are equal and i would respect your opinion that they aren't if you weren't so ridiculous about it by not even reading if you dont like it >.>
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For all we know, Itachi and Kisame weren't as powerful those 3 years back as they were recently or had all of the techniques they showed in Part 2. Honestly, it's not like Itachi has any reason to lie given he has been plain honest about his skill in other areas (Tsukuyomi) and the skill of others (Saying Guy was a dangerous opponent). And who's to assume how much backup? I mean, obviously at some point the backup would be enough to more than overwhelm Jiraiya, but perhaps Itachi only meant one other. I don't have that hard of a time believing Jiraiya could do so.
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Yh xd.
Nah, its just currently im staying mellow and not really interested in too much arguments U_U
Jiriaya is not equal to itachi. If by equal you mean databook then yes, but that only shows a fraction of the bigger picture.
The itachi you claim who was ravaged with disease, low stamina, low chakra and poor eyesight still defeated sasuke (without the intent) and sealed oro.
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Kisame was already 28 then, thats some serious experience. At that age, shinobis dont preogress so fast anymore. Same could be said about Sasori. Itachi was even stronger, considering he wasnt as ill as he was later. Only Deidara might be weaker.
Of course he had, killing Konohas shinobi was never his objective.
Akatsuki travells in pairs, so it would be at least two more Akatsuki members.
Considering that Itachi can solo...
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Orochimaru DOES not count for that... And i honestly dont think Sasuke was quite equal to Jiraiya at that point,(doesn't mean he cant win but not equal) they have different jutsu, Strength's weaknesses, Etc, take that into account
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I know, but you see the sasuke that fought a disease stricken, low chakra, low stamina, more or less blind, without the intention of killing, itachi was atleast on par with kakashi. Atleast low kage level (sasuke), yet after all this itachi still bested him and sealed oro along the way.
I have no doubt in my mind that itachi would beat jiraiya.
Itachi is by far superior to jiraiya in most things. Yes this includes databook stats aswell. Its a shame that the highest a character can get is a 5. There are many flaws with data book, not that, that alone tells the whole story
In all Itachi's lies, he's never said anyone was stronger than or equal to him till he met Jiraiya and Jiraiya is cautious in battle as shown against Pain where he considered the fact that he could die and removed the toad holding Naruto's seal's key and yet he showed no inkling of fear when he faced Itachi and Kisame. Kisame, an Akatsuki, considered himself no match. Itachi who faced Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai then fled only because ANBU were on the way, fled at the sight of one shinobi. On the other hand, Itachi knew Jiraiya was on the way since the genjutsu on the woman was broken so he could have simply been delaying by fighting Sasuke till Jiraiya comes to 'save' Naruto. If he really wanted to get Naruto he would have had Kisame take Naruto the moment Jiraiya broke the genjutsu and attacked Jiraiya during his intro but all that could've been plot no jutsu so...its a real mystery.
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your not taking into account that Itachi was going easy on him somewhat... Also we need to take into account actual stats Like speed. When Jiraiya went sage mode he appeared Right in front of pain With a GIANT rasengan instantly, No matter how good Itachi is, that COULD catch him off guard and do damage, likewise for amaterasu. Add in that There abilities For example Bath of boiling oil could cause mobility issues and such. IT REALLY depends on the situation for the battle
While true, that doesn't negate what I said. Their may very well have been techniques that Kisame & Itachi hadn't learned at that point.
I don't think it was ever stated when Itachi contracted his terminal illness.
He had absolutely no problem with planning on killing Kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma the chapter before that one, so not quite.
It's not like it's a rule that if a member needed back up he had to order 2. o.o My point was I don't think Itachi meant something along the lines of calling on several teams for assistance.
I don't understand...
If I remember correctly, the stalemate stament was made in regards to them going into an all out battle, which means the victor would be decided by who was left alive. thus, Itachi could have easily meant that even with backup, he couldn't kill Jiraiya.
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I dont want to turn this into a vs thread because im currently not in the mood. I do intend on creating a thread in the future though. Ill start with kisame > jiraiya, then itachi > jiriaya.
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Jman=itachi, I say this is certain occasions, this not meaning jman would beat itachi. Overall I feel they are on the same level, but itachi has the feats to defeat Jman, but lacks the stamina. Therefore, wat I'm saying is feats itachi>jman, but as an overall shinobi Jman>itachi
-_______- Kisame said plain and simple that he would lose to Jiraiya, whereas Itachi wouldn't, and Itachi added on that he didn't think he could do any better than a draw.
Well put. I agree with you.
I disagree, Itachi and Nagato are a very good matchup for each other, where as Nagato beat Jiraiya when Jiraiya had no idea what was going on, plus if it was just Nagato... the Frog Genjutsu would have taken him out for good unlike the 6 paths... just because Itachi and Nagato are a good matchup and the 6 Paths beat Jiraiya doesn't mean Itachi and Jiraiya can't still be equals. I think that if either Jiraiya knew everything about the 6 paths he would have had a chance of beating him, and if it was just Nagato I think Jiraiya could have beaten him maybe with very hard difficulty. And Itachi said he was equal with Jiraiya...
But nonetheless great thread! +rep
Itachis strenght lies mainly in his MS. At that point he already had 6 years of experience with it. Considering how telented Itachi was, its a lot. Besides, its not like he could train seriously during time skip, he had to save himself for Sasuke.
I dont think he would be able to survive three years with illness in terminal state.
Its different with Jiraiya. He was strongest shinbi Konoha could offer at that time. And there is another hint, Kisame was surprised when Itachi decided to retreat, Itachi didnt even try to fight seriously.
Even one team would be more than enough.
1. Jiraiya was struggling to activate SM when he was fighing Animal path alone. Itachis battle capacity is far above that of single Animal path.
2. Even in SM Jiraiya wouldnt be fast enough to continously avoid Sharingan eyesight, Amaterasu would be deadly for him.
3. Jiraiya relies on summons too much. Thats not good, considering that one of Sharingan most feared abilities was taking control over summons. Like I said, Itachi could make one of elder frogs on Jiraiyas arms to decapitate old pervy.
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Only thing is loads of characters seem to give respect to other characters, especially in relation to the sannins. Kisame has the feats and abilities to defeat any of the sannins. I dont take what a character has said seriously. Ive already said this, no point quoting me telling me this
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Also why are ppl comparing other fights, those mean nothing as neither of them have fought opponents similar to the other. Itachi vs. Sasuke means shyt, itachi's statement and 2 vs. Jman means shyt. Itachi's illness came upon himself, we know it was messing with his vision, but that's his dumb ass fault so there really isn't no need to mention that, thus he would be in the condition vs. Jman no matter when.
"Defeat any of the Sannin" in your opinion, whereas the character himself doesn't believe so. If you don't take what characters say (especially about their own abilities), then you may as well not post in forums since your words have far less weight than theirs and you're choosing to ignore what they state as fact.
I wouldn't say it mainly came fro his MS. He was pretty damn powerful on his own. And he was planning on losing to Sasuke (which you certainly know) so him training would do absolutely nothing in regards to Sasuke since he wasn't even going to try and win.
Probably true, I was just pointing that out.
I don't think he would have been any more hesitant to kill Jiraiya, which I don't think would be that much more impactful than 3 skilled Jonin (well, JMan's a Jonin to but you know what I mean).
And I jsut re-read the chapters where they were with Jiraiya, and Kisame said nothing and indicated no surprise that they were retreating. Perhaps I'm using a poor scanlator,b so could you perhaps point me to where you're getting this information?
Not necessarily. It depends on their skill set. Again, Itachi's words and beliefs on battle capacity are above what you or I can speculate.
Jiraiya wasn't even fighting the Animal Path. The AP was bringing forth odd summons that couldn't die and were fighting Jiraiya's Toad Summon.
Erm, Jiraiya's base speed is rated at 4.5 and Sage Mode gives a dramatic boost to a Sage's entire repertoire. And he doesn't have to continuously avoid it, he just has to be fast enough to keep up or make up for that disadvantage. Amatersu would be deadly for anyone. However, it's not unblockable. Gaara has shown that. He just has to find a proper substitute to take the attack. Whether he has one, I've no clue.
Wow. and Itachi relies on his Sharingan too much. and you're underestimating the Elder Toads. Heck the Amphibian technique they were using would have made them and Jiraiya immune to genjutsu since their chakra is constantly being disturbed by taking in natural energy.
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Not necessarily my opinion when their feats and abilities says otherwise. What kisame said is no different to what pein or zetsu said. All was in praise, nothing more.
Feats says it all.
Seems like people take praise too seriously.
When they did finally meet tell me, was kisame scared?. Is he not the one who blocked jiriaya for itachi to beat the crap out of sasuke. Isnt this the same person who praised jiraiya. Action speaks louder than words
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