Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

[Jiraiya the womanizer]

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are asked nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be taken with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

Great thread! +rep

 

[Turson]

If Pain had begun the battle with all Six Paths, he would have lost the same way his first 3 did: Toad Confrontation Chant. That was the reason he sent in the Pains at separate times, to account for the abilities Jiraiya had that he didn't know about. But still, Pain said Jiraiya may have won had he known about him in the first place so yeah, it's not like it was a sure-fire thing.

You dont uderstand. Six Paths at once would never let Jiraiya activate SM. Jiraiya would be owned in less than minute.

Except according to the character himself, you're wrong and his words supersede yours.

Feats > words. Besides, I already explained why this is no factor for me. If you want to believe that Jiraiya would be able to draw against four Kage level shinobis, including Itachi, then go ahead. For me its bs, nothig more.

Heck, even Pain said Jiraiya would have probably won had he know his secret from the beginning or figured it out more quickly.

How knowledge about Nagato controling Pain would allow Jiraiya to defeat Pain itself? Hell, Deva alone was able to defeat SM Naruto and all the frogs that were supporting him. If it was battle to kill Naruto would be dead, Deva would pierce his skull with his rod instead of hands.

 

[Eldirian]

Personally, I'm a Jiraiya fanboy so you can understand how hard is to admit it, but it's clear Itachi wins this one.
Jiraiya is just a perfect match up for Itachi to beat.

 

[Gutsy]

Epic Jiraiya fan boy right here... but i admit Itachi is a little superior to Jiraiya, but seriously Jiraiya is no push over in any battle. It will be high to extreme diff for Itachi to win.

 

[Download]

i agree because as you said itachi himself claimed that he can only draw with him +rep

 

[blood hound]

The Jman- known as the pervy sensi lol.

Jman lived in the era of the 2nd and died shortly after the 5th begun her hokagaship.
He lived his life through war and chaos, his team was non other than oro and tsunade who gained the title sannin ninja of the leaf. He taught many great shinob's such as Minato, Nagato, and the most important Naruto. After the war and the training of nagato and his friends he lived a life of an info gatherer. It's through this info gather he learnt of the akutsuki group which are very dangouras ninja's group.
For a man like him he really new what itachi's capabilities are and I am not sure about kisame. He must of known most of his tech will as for itachi he barly know's anything about him.
Some of you say he is an ally, how do you know exactly??????
He himself stated that he well do nothing but draw with the Jman and kisame was his back up or partner. Some say that yea but if you look at itachi he didn't hisetate, however the forget to look at what's important Jman was alone against two very powerful ninja's and yet he did not hisetate. And then there is yea but he was tierd because he use tsoukymo twice........ If he only used that twice why on god's earth do you think that he would hold up against the Jman in a full out battle???
Itachi well use genjutsu like he does in all the fight's and the Jman is not good in that area. Okay first thing just because he is not good does not mean he can't combat it, because he was weak in genjutsu he would have come up with a very effective way to fight it........ Example of some one not good in genjutsu is diedera and yet he trained his eye to see through it. Now i am not saying that's what Jman done but i am prettu sure he done something to break through the jutsu. This is why i think he has a capabilitie like this........ He new about itachi and his tech and yet stood right there in front off him with out even hesitating and with confident said " you both well die in my hand's "

Before any say's yea but itachi is smart...... Hello Jman is smart too, he gather's info and trust me that's hard to do and you most have a brain for that although i must admit him perving and acting all stupied is some times misleading xd. He was able to diagnose pain's ability ( well that they all can only use one tech ) and figured out a that one can summon and the other can absorb ( not sure about the absorb one ).

Jman is a very powerful man indeed expacially when he knows alot about- alot of things, people's an tech. We can not well not be able to say that itachi will win hands down or with mid diff if anything it's itachi with near death. For me it's the Jman with near death.

Sorry for spelling i am using my phone.
In hounor of the pervy sensai my you all perv xd just kidding don't do that it's bad

 

[tristan]

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are asked nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be taken with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

great points...

 

[Rikodu sennin]

Itachi beats Jiraiya

 

[BelievesItsNotButter]

Kishi has made Itachi and Nagato equal and Jiraiya got beaten by him.

Itachi = Nagato > Jiraiya

2 reasons why this does not apply:

1- Nagato stated that Jiraiya could have defeated him had he known about his abilities. Nagato already knew all of Jiraiya's abilities from his training and knew how to counter his attacks. Jiraiya knew nothing of his abilities and had to learn as they fought. If he had understood how he fights he would have disposed of the 3 bodies he killed properly and not just 1 of them for testing. Either way, Jiraiya was playing with his hand face up and Nagato with his face down.

2- Even if we assume Nagato defeated Jiraiya of equal footing and Nagato is equal in skill with Itachi that doesn't mean Itachi will easily beat Jiraiya. Have you ever played rock paper scissors? Just because rock beats scissors and paper beats rock does not mean scissors can't beat paper.

Lets look at an example from the manga. Deidra was able to defeat Gaara simply because his ability could penetrate his defenses. Sauske was able to beat Deidra because his lightning could defeat Deidra's explosives. If Sauske tried to fight Gaara as this same level (pre ms/ems since he fought Deidra before he has it) he would have lost. Lightning has no effect on sand and Gaara can easily avoid seeing his eyes with the eye of sand and defending himself in his sheild.

So tired of people claiming person A beat person B and person B beat person C so person A can beat person C. It doesn't work that way.

 

[jorgelius]

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are asked nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be taken with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

i only respond to starter this thread.

first of all sorry for my bad english

Databook scores yes its even

itachi & kisame infamous meeting with jiraya

we know itachi played a role that he is extremely loyal to akatsuki. he just cant stop his partner doing stuff wich is theyr goals as akatsuki members, he came to konoha looking for naruto to send message to danzo, even if u have sharingan u stand no chance againts true heir of those eyes, and as i recall kakashi survived he stated he could kill him if he tried. it doesnt matter what he said outcome as a result matters. and cutting narutos leg hmm, remember loyal to akatsuki.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

jiraya keeps his distance, okay lets have a look. it is stated that itachi can put someone under genjutsu outside the sensors range and kagebunshin theory even j-man sayd naruto in part one againts sannin like me orochimaru kagebunshins are meaningless u just waste chakra. what do u think do that trick work before itachi's eyes.? toad summons are good move but we saw result againts oro 8head serpent jutsu, susanoo is more than enough dealing with gababunta .

agaits nagato level one rinne, jey lose give hell of a match tough itachi versus
level two rinnegan won and found hes secrets pretty fast as well. vision thing and etc, and counted accordingly.

one more thing about ur post u said we look this if itachi is sick why?? if so lets say j-man is same condition due to tsunades drug? lets say both of them is full strenght and itachi is same when he obtained ms he was strongest then.

u said both have same intelligence thats not true at all, but someway it is lets say jiraya is same that naruto stupid or close to it but in batlle like a genius same to itachi.

match is bound to be awesome but if we assume other is stronger i say it will be itachi. much respect to both of them.. to maker great thread and so well explained

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Well thought out and I knew this all along, but kind of stopped replying to people who out-of-the-blue say Itachi is better than Jiraiya... they are mindless zombies that spout mindless drivel.

Jiraiya and Itachi are equals, no more, no less.

 

[kourosh]

jiraya > itachi for sure

 

[Rafeal brown]

I don't know why jiraiya fans are trying so hard to take advantage of what itachi said, what characters say are not really important and are not always true... I know zetsu said itachi is invincible..., i know itachi said he killed his clan to test his powers... But does that make it true? I don't think so.
If itachi had said he was stronger than jiraiya then kisame would've insisted itachi capture naruto which we all know itachi never wanted.
There's no way jiraiya could've taken kisame and itachi on at the same time, that's complete BS...

 

[Raito]

And Itachi didn't want to fight - he only came to konoha to see how his brother is. Do you think, Itachi couldn't leave Jiraiya mental destroyed with only an eye contact? Do you think, Itachi would not be able to hit Jiraiya by Amaterasu with a single glance. Do you think, Itachi couldn't activate Susanoo to crush him with one punch?

Itachi handled Orochimaru with mere Genjutsus of his 3-Tomoe Sharingan. Jiraiya himself lost against Orochimaru. The very idea that Jiraiya would beat Itachi is just ridiculous.

 

[Lt Iceman]

I don't know why jiraiya fans are trying so hard to take advantage of what itachi said, what characters say are not really important and are not always true... I know zetsu said itachi is invincible..., i know itachi said he killed his clan to test his powers... But does that make it true? I don't think so.
If itachi had said he was stronger than jiraiya then kisame would've insisted itachi capture naruto which we all know itachi never wanted.
There's no way jiraiya could've taken kisame and itachi on at the same time, that's complete BS...

And Itachi didn't want to fight - he only came to konoha to see how his brother is. Do you think, Itachi couldn't leave Jiraiya mental destroyed with only an eye contact? Do you think, Itachi would not be able to hit Jiraiya by Amaterasu with a single glance. Do you think, Itachi couldn't activate Susanoo to crush him with one punch?

Itachi handled Orochimaru with mere Genjutsus of his 3-Tomoe Sharingan. Jiraiya himself lost against Orochimaru. The very idea that Jiraiya would beat Itachi is just ridiculous.

This 2 guys know what they're talking about.Every word they uttered are true down to the letter.

Seriously the Jiraya fandom should quit this bulls**t of "Itachi said this and Itachi said that",something called proper manga understanding makes you understand that Itachi>Jiraya,all this debating isn't even needed in the 1st place. *sighs*

 

[sravan]

I think jiraya is superior than itachi he is simply overrated that's all.

 

[The Eye]

Did people just say nagato = itachi? no...just no...
Jairya is a man well praised for his skills many people assume itachi would just one shot place him into a genjutsu and its over...as if jairya doesnt know how to break himself out of a genjutsu and doesnt know how to make clones? besides he has his own genjutsu this sound would beat itachi any day. When jairya goes into sage mode itachi genjutsu are useless.

Then you have sasanoo, but really how long can he keep that up for? battling with jairya you need stamina to keep up

 

[admireableman]

I think Kishi better than everyone so, there is no need of comparison threads

 

[Raito]

Did people just say nagato = itachi? no...just no...
Jairya is a man well praised for his skills many people assume itachi would just one shot place him into a genjutsu and its over...as if jairya doesnt know how to break himself out of a genjutsu and doesnt know how to make clones? besides he has his own genjutsu this sound would beat itachi any day. When jairya goes into sage mode itachi genjutsu are useless.

Then you have sasanoo, but really how long can he keep that up for? battling with jairya you need stamina to keep up

You're funny. How long it took untill Jiraiya came into his Senninmode? And even if he's in the Senninmode, Tsukuyomi will still work, Amaterasu will kill him and Susanoo crush him. And dou you think, would come into his Senninmode before he got hit by Itachis Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu or Susanoo?

besides he has his own genjutsu this sound would beat itachi any day.

Rarely heard something stupid..Do you think that this Genjutsu will affect the Sharingan? Only because the stupid Pain was affected by it?

Genjutsus are Jiraiyas weakness, even Orochimaru didn't stand a chance against Itachis normal Genjutsus,..oh man, have no desire do argue with you more, just stupid.

 

[blood hound]

You're funny. How long it took untill Jiraiya came into his Senninmode? And even if he's in the Senninmode, Tsukuyomi will still work, Amaterasu will kill him and Susanoo crush him. And dou you think, would come into his Senninmode before he got hit by Itachis Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu or Susanoo?



Rarely heard something stupid..Do you think that this Genjutsu will affect the Sharingan? Only because the stupid Pain was affected by it?

Genjutsus are Jiraiyas weakness, even Orochimaru didn't stand a chance against Itachis normal Genjutsus,..oh man, have no desire do argue with you more, just stupid.

The jutsu you say was from the frogs and it is not a visual jutsu. Let me ask you a question do you know biology because if you do you would realize that the jutsu the forgs used was sound and it effected the ear, humans are balances by the ear. No matter how good itachi is at genjutsu he wouldn't be able to handle the sound jutsu. It's like a ten on the earthquak scale noone would be able to stay standing Noone.... Go to the page before and read the post by blood hound which is me, read it properly and you shall see.