[VS] Zoro vs Law | Sabo vs Doffy

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Yes it does. Marco was first commander and strongest. Same with dogtooth. You're the FIRST commander for a reason
What? Since when was Katakuri called 1st commander? That's not how the BM Pirates are ranked....

Oda himself said that division number doesn't matter, but I know that you tend to ignore Oda's word. Answer me this question: why would Burgess lose low diff to Sabo if he was a yonko first mate?
 

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What? Since when was Katakuri called 1st commander? That's not how the BM Pirates are ranked....

Oda himself said that division number doesn't matter, but I know that you tend to ignore Oda's word. Answer me this question: why would Burgess lose low diff to Sabo if he was a yonko first mate?
Cause sabo is second of the revolutionary army.
 

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What? Since when was Katakuri called 1st commander? That's not how the BM Pirates are ranked....

Oda himself said that division number doesn't matter, but I know that you tend to ignore Oda's word. Answer me this question: why would Burgess lose low diff to Sabo if he was a yonko first mate?
I love how you ignored the fact that Oda said that about the WB commanders specifically, and not about all pirates. He also said that about their authority, not about their strength relative to each other.
 

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Cause sabo is second of the revolutionary army.
And according to you Burgess is second of the BB Pirates. It would make no sense for a Yonko's #2 to get low diffed by the Revs #2, especially since we already know that Sabo isn't admiral level.
I love how you ignored the fact that Oda said that about the WB commanders specifically, and not about all pirates. He also said that about their authority, not about their strength relative to each other.
Stop playing dumb. I know that you know Burgess isn't the 2nd strongest BB Pirate.

I forgot that it was just about the WB Pirates, but Shiryu's and Lafitte's attitude towards Burgess clearly indicates that division number doesn't correspond to authority in the BB Pirates (btw authority corresponds to strength 99% of the time in OP).
 
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And according to you Burgess is second of the BB Pirates. It would make no sense for a Yonko's #2 to get low diffed by the Revs #2, especially since we already know that Sabo isn't admiral level.

Stop playing dumb. I know that you know Burgess isn't the 2nd strongest BB Pirate.
Sabo did very good against fuijtora
 

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And according to you Burgess is second of the BB Pirates. It would make no sense for a Yonko's #2 to get low diffed by the Revs #2, especially since we already know that Sabo isn't admiral level.

Stop playing dumb. I know that you know Burgess isn't the 2nd strongest BB Pirate.

I forgot that it was just about the WB Pirates, but Shiryu's and Lafitte's attitude towards Burgess clearly indicates that division number doesn't correspond to authority in the BB Pirates (btw authority corresponds to strength 99% of the time in OP).
I never said he was, I'm saying your arguments to support that is weak.

You can't use how things work in another crew as proof that it works for a specific crew. Strength corresponds to authority when it corresponds to authority, not because "It happens 99% of the time."
 

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Fujitora had the upper hand on Sabo despite the fact that he wasn't going all out.
Raining a meteor is his strongest move yet, he wouldn't have used it if not going all out.. unless he can use even stronger moves than that which would be op but thank you, I like when people acknowledge the admirals sstrength
 

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I never said he was, I'm saying your arguments to support that is weak.

You can't use how things work in another crew as proof that it works for a specific crew. Strength corresponds to authority when it corresponds to authority, not because "It happens 99% of the time."
What would your arguments be then? Honestly the Sabo vs Burgess fight is enough to prove that Burgess isn't the strongest BB commander and I was just using that division commander argument since he ignores Burgess's pathetic showing in Dressrosa. Btw wouldn't you agree that Shiryu's and Lafitte's attitude towards Burgess strongly implies that division number doesn't equal authority in the BB Pirates?
 

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What would your arguments be then? Honestly the Sabo vs Burgess fight is enough to prove that Burgess isn't the strongest BB commander and I was just using that division commander argument since he ignores Burgess's pathetic showing in Dressrosa. Btw wouldn't you agree that Shiryu's and Lafitte's attitude towards Burgess strongly implies that division number doesn't equal authority in the BB Pirates?
There are none. Sabo vs Burgess doesn't prove Burgess is not the second strongest. There is no proof to gauge the rest of WB's crew either. Your'e using a statement made about the WB pirates to argue for BB, and doing so inaccurately.

And no, I do not agree.
 

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Don't wtf me you peasant. Bow down to me before I give you some real wood. You might be all over sakazukis but this will drain ya soul
Stop acting like an idiot. I'm arguing with him in both threads because I disagree with him in both. I don't have some vendetta against him. Also if division number = power then please tell me why the 2nd division commander position in WB's crew was left unattended for a long time before Ace joined the crew. Wouldn't Jozu immediately become 2nd division commander after the first 2nd division commander left if division number is related to strength.
 

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There are none. Sabo vs Burgess doesn't prove Burgess is not the second strongest. There is no proof to gauge the rest of WB's crew either. Your'e using a statement made about the WB pirates to argue for BB, and doing so inaccurately.

And no, I do not agree.
So how would BB become a Yonko if no one in his crew was top Yonko commander level? He would stand no chance against the other Yonkos if none of his crewmates could rival Marco, Beckman, Katakuri, Jozu, Smoothie, Vista, Cracker, etc.
 

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Stop acting like an idiot. I'm arguing with him in both threads because I disagree with him in both. I don't have some vendetta against him. Also if division number = power then please tell me why the 2nd division commander position in WB's crew was left unattended for a long time before Ace joined the crew. Wouldn't Jozu immediately become 2nd division commander after the first 2nd division commander left if division number is related to strength.
Yes masta but umm there's no evidence he didnt? He probably became the first commander as Marco became captan but they were defeated and there's no way of telling.
 

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Yes masta but umm there's no evidence he didnt? He probably became the first commander as Marco became captan but they were defeated and there's no way of telling.
Besides the fact that it was said that the 2nd division commander position was vacant for a long time? Also why wasn't Vista made the 4th division commander after Thatch died?
 

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So how would BB become a Yonko if no one in his crew was top Yonko commander level? He would stand no chance against the other Yonkos if none of his crewmates could rival Marco, Beckman, Katakuri, Jozu, Smoothie, Vista, Cracker, etc.
Who said he couldn't rival them, who says sabo wouldn't beat any of them either?
 

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Who said he couldn't rival them, who says sabo wouldn't beat any of them either?
Sabo can rival a Yonko's Top 3 subordinates since he should be close in strength to Marco, Katakuri, King, and Beckman. I'm saying that BB's crew couldn't rival another Yonko's crew if the strongest subordinate gets low diffed by someone who is top YC level.
 

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Sabo can rival a Yonko's Top 3 subordinates since he should be close in strength to Marco, Katakuri, King, and Beckman. I'm saying that BB's crew couldn't rival another Yonko's crew if the strongest subordinate gets low diffed by someone who is top YC level.
That is true, he did beat burgess pretty easy.... I think burgess might just need a serious powerup.. cause the was after the time skip and all that, Id hate to see how weak he was before xD
 
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