These *****s make Shanks sound like Supah Hot Fire. If oda draw his duel with Mihawk, the last panel gonna be him looking at hte camera and going "But I'm not a swordsman."A swordsman is a fighter whose main source of power comes from their swordplay. This doesn't apply if you're Shanks though, Shanks is a hakisman
Law's usage of his DF techniques(Chambres and Takt to erect pillars) weren't any more effective at halting Smoker than clashing with his sword was though. Smoker had to engage him with a surprise attack that made Law unable to engage him with his main fighting style(Sword+DF as one), forcing him to fight him with his DF and sword separately, and neither halted Smoker any more than the other until Mes.
That's what I said *****. 11 techniques, 6 of which require his sword. Five that don't. What's 6 plus five *****? Asking me if I can count and shit. foh lmfao
Uh, no. Sterben and Radio Knife count as their own techniques. Especially since what Radio Knife does is not at all what Counter Shock does(one damages with energy, the other prevents things cut from reattaching the way things can reattach when Amputated).
Law's usage of his DF techniques(Chambres and Takt to erect pillars) weren't any more effective at halting Smoker than clashing with his sword was though. Smoker had to engage him with a surprise attack that made Law unable to engage him with his main fighting style(Sword+DF as one), forcing him to fight him with his DF and sword separately, and neither halted Smoker any more than the other until Mes.
That's what I said *****. 11 techniques, 6 of which require his sword. Five that don't. What's 6 plus five *****? Asking me if I can count and shit. foh lmfao
Uh, no. Sterben and Radio Knife count as their own techniques. Especially since what Radio Knife does is not at all what Counter Shock does(one damages with energy, the other prevents things cut from reattaching the way things can reattach when Amputated).
Nice try jumbo. Law DF revolves around his katana like Fuji, anything beside his swordplay is mere extra tricks like "shambles", "tact" and "mes" Stuff not used as direct offese techs vs OP characters. His most powerful techs injection, radio, gamma etc are all a sword! Secondly Oda called him a swordsman LOL
What the hell is a Hakisman? Don't be retarded here. You will call Garp a Hakisman too? WTFA swordsman is a fighter whose main source of power comes from their swordplay. This doesn't apply if you're Shanks though, Shanks is a hakisman
Room doesn't count as one of Law's DF tech's, ok. Reach. Sterben can only be performed by using Takt on a weapon(or in the case we saw an arm holding a weapon) inside of room. So Sterben is a variant of Takt no matter how much you want to try and deny it. With no Takt, no Sterben, with no DF no Takt, his primary fighting method is using his DF to modify his sword capabilities.
I never said he wasn't a swordsman, good job arguing a point I didn't make. Look at literally my first 4 words. Gamma Knife isn't sword based just because it takes the shape of a blade, it's still an energy attack created via his DF not a sword technique. Good reach. I love how you try to demote his moveset to fit your narrative like Mes hasn't been one of his most used moves along with shambles. But no, they're not offensive and are mere tricks, got ya.
Why is this an argument then...
lel I guess Zoro's Asura and Mihawk long range slices aren't sword techniques but energy waves XD
I said nothing about "solely" relying on a sword! Swordsman = anyone whose swordsmanship > his other techniques!
Since when was Smoker a OP opponent in the New World?
Went over my head considering his previous posts
mfw I literally counted in both of my posts saying it'd be 12 if count Room, and that would bump the number of Law's moves that don't involve a sword to only a third of his full arsenal. You wanna call out people on counting when you can't even read.
I didn't say it wasn't derived from Takt, I said it counted as a technique on its own as well. Variation of Takt or not, it's an attack that focuses on a bladed weapon, so it counts as part of his swordplay.
DAMN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THIS TO YOU AND NOW YOU'RE ARGUING AGAINST IT. HOW ABOUT THAT?
You're trying to argue that Law's DF plays a greater role in his arsenal than his sword. 2/3rds of Law's arsenal are his sword+DF, not his DF alone, so your point is still trash as ****.
Nope. Because if you remove Law's sword, his DF usage plummets and his capacity as a fighter falls to 1/3rd of what he could do before. Law doesn't rely on his sword or his DF more than the other, he relies on both in tandem. THAT is his main fighting style. You have yet to show a swordsman who relies on something MORE than a form of swordplay.
Idk you responded to me under the assumption I don't classify Law as a swordsman. All I said was Law is a swordsman who uses his DF skills more than he uses sword play(which he does because Law rarely uses his sword without his DF complimenting it but uses his DF without his sword more so) and that his skill with his DF exceeds his skill with his sword
Gamma Knife isn't created via any blade, so it's nothing like those. Law literally creates a blade of energy, that's not a sword technique just because it's shaped like a blade, he doesn't need a sword to carry out the attack just his DF. Asura idk about nobody's really clear on what or how that works.
That's an arbitrary restrictor you and Riker are trying to put into the rules that was never there. Nowhere does it state a swordsman must be better with his sword than anything else. That's outside logic trying to be forced in story, which is ironic given how hard some people cry against doing that.
Smoker's not and that's my point, Smoker a non OP opponent stalemated Law's swordplay and Law only got the win because of his DF use. Take away Law's DF and his swordplay is no longer able to be enhanced and gets stalemated by a mid level non swordman. Take away Law's sword and his DF capabilities drop, not to the degree Riker's trying to pass but they do drop, but he's still able to beat Smoker just like he did without his sword. Law's DF skills>his sword play in technique, necessity and ability. Law's swordsmanship is only top tier because of his DF incorporation.
False. Law's usage of his DF IS a form of swordplay.
Except it isn't an arbituary rule being forced into the story. It's a rule derived from the portrayal of swordsmen in the OP world. Portrayal of them give us the criteria of what a swordsman is. There have been zero characters classified as swordsmen who have a fighting style that isn't swordplay, and is superior to their swordplay. Therefore, the same can be attributed to Shanks until he is either retconned as a swordsman, or this portrayal of swordsmen is retconned.
You can't use this comparison because the way swordsmen are portrayed in the OP world doesn't match how we would define a basketball or tennis player.
He stalemated ONE form of Law's swordplay. Law has two: normal slashes, and slashes enhanced by his DF. Law did not use the latter against Smoker aside form a few strokes.
The funny part is, you're incapable of describing how they DON'T drop that much. Remove Law's sword, and he loses 6 out of 12 techniques, and three more techniques become less effective. You have not countered this point. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you have.
Exactly. His swordsmanship is using a sword+his DF. He's not using two fighting styles at once, he's using one fighting style with two components. Remove either component, and the fighting style plummets. The fighting style involves a sword, so it counts as swordplay.
No see it isn't. His fighting style is his swordsmanship + his DF. His fighting style is made of two core components. If there was a swordsman whose fighting style was sword in one hand gun in the other and he used them in conjunction(swing,shoot,swing,shoot,shoot,swing, etc you get the idea) we wouldn't call his gunplay part of his swordsmanship yet that's what you're trying to do for Law's DF to help your case.
Two core components combined into one thing. Your example of a person swinging a sword and using a gun at the same time isn't comparable to what Law does because those aren't combined into one thing. Law's DF power is PERFORMED through the swordsmanship. 2/3rds of what he does with his DF powers become UNAVAILABLE if his sword is removed. When you remove Law's sword, his DF power loses capabilities. When you remove Law's DF abilities, his sword loses capabilities. Therefore, it's not comparable to your example because removing the sword wouldn't remove any capabilities of the gun and removing the gun wouldn't remove any capabilities from the sword. The fact that you still think there's any arguing this is dumb af because it boils down to one thing, and one thing only: Without his sword, Law can only use Mes, Chambres, Gamma Knife, Room and Takt. 7 out of 12 techniques become unavailable to him.
Combined into one fighting style because their capabilities don't happen side by side, their capabilities combine; without one, the other loses its capabilities. Therefore, they cannot be regarded as separate. Give it up.
Wrong. The way Law fights has three forms:
Lmao so much wrong. Daz Bones said himself he's not a swordsman. Blade=/=sword. WB also has a bisento, not a sword. BM is portrayed so far to be a swordsman, she just has no interest in becoming WSS. Doesn't mean she isn't one. Your claim that Shanks' and Mihawk's duel went unfinished is completely unfounded.
