I'm not discrediting the title nor am I calling it meaningless.
Yes, you are. There's no way around it. When you say things like "Shanks and Mihawk haven't fought in 15 years and that's the only reason Mihawk still has the title," then you're discrediting the title because you're directly stating that someone having the title of WSS doesn't mean they're actually WSS.
You are just underrating Shanks, and assuming that he has not gotten any stronger(or stronger than Mihawk rather)
How is this underrating Shanks? I can just as easily say you're dickriding Shanks by assuming he got stronger than Mihawk and the world doesn't know and Mihawk didn't get stronger as well not because the manga implied it, not because the manga gave you a single scrap of facts to back up the claims with, but because you
feel like it being the truth. That's fanboying.
and using the title of WSS to illustrate that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks just because they used to be evenly matched long ago, and because that since Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk happens to have the title of WSS, well you are simply just thinking literally and not looking at this objectively.
There has been absolutely no reason NOT to take the title literally. Oda has never given any hint, indication, or fact to back up these claims of yours that are being pulled from thin air. You're making up things on the spot with NOTHING to back it up in the manga whatsoever, and then touting yourself like you're smarter than everyone else for it.
Fact of the matter is that it has been, give or take, 15 years since their last duel and we don't know when Mihawk received the title WSS or when Shanks became a yonko.
This would only defeat your point further. If Shanks and Mihawk became Emperor and WSS after the clashes, then it just shows that whatever feat Shanks managed to become one of the Yonko wasn't as good as whatever Mihawk did to become WSS. Otherwise, had Shanks showed superiority, he'd be labelled the WSS in addition to being labelled one of the Yonko.
You can keep using the WSS argument all you like. It's not like Oda outright stated that "Mihawk is the WSS so that even puts him above the likes of Shanks", so you're not even using anything 100% concrete here.
Oda has cited Mihawk as the most powerful swordsman. Shanks is portrayed as a swordsman. Therefore, Mihawk is more powerful than Shanks. Not only is it concrete, it's simple math. The fact of the matter is, you have no evidence that this is NOT the case, while the nature of this argument in of itself grants it virtue to be evidence: Mihawk is called the most powerful of a particular group of people, Shanks is within that group, the conclusion is obvious.
They don't have to actually fight each other. They can simply engage in battle with different opponents and depending on whose opponent is stronger, that will determine who is stronger, versus you jumping the gun and placing Mihawk above Shanks without any actual feats.
You realize this is exactly what I said, that the world can compare their feats separately against other people in other adventures and determine who's WSS? You realize that this defeats your argument that Mihawk's title doesn't apply to Shanks because they haven't fought in 15 years? Where's that Family Guy gif of Brian and Stewie shooting themselves in the foot, didn't think I'd get to use it twice in one thread.
And here we go again with this crap. Sticking to this old script when we have not even seen Shanks in battle at all, with the most obvious too boot that he is a damn yonko of all sorts, but sure. Let's all believe in Oda's "obvious" words that Mihawk is stronger than a yonko who just so happens to not have even went all out in a fight yet. Kay.
Here you go again touting the title of Yonko when it's been well established that the power of the Yonko are NOt based on individuality.
No one is denying this, but a weak pirate cannot become yonko and it has been proven time and time how devastating the yonko are individually.
And a pirate as strong as Whitebeard can't become one of the Yonko without a serious crew and influence behind him.
You saying that an Emperor can't be that weak and has to be some level of devastating is not at all relevant in the context of the discussion. Shanks becoming an Emperor while Mihawk hasn't doesn't mean that Shanks is inherently more devastating than Mihawk; Mihawk can be more devastating than Shanks on an individual level, but because Shanks has the backing of a powerful crew and widespread influence through territories and allies while Mihawk runs completely solo is why Shanks has that title. Swap Mihawk into Shanks' place with Mihawk helming Shanks' crew and territories, bet your ass Mihawk is gonna be regarded as one of the Yonko AND WSS to boot.
What's even more funny is how even without Marco or Jozu, WB was still seen as a serious threat individually, so your little argument is kinda shit tbh.
And you think Mihawk wouldn't be?
In fact, let's do a little benchmarking, shall we? You claim that the title of Yonko supercedes Mihawk's level and they have demonstrated to be more devastating than him. And yet, WB's best feat at MF was pretty much matched by Mihawk. WB's greatest display of destructive power was raising the two tidal waves. Let's look at another Emperor: Big Mom. Her wave against the SHs pales in comparison to not just two of the waves that WB raised up, but one of them. And Mihawk sliced through one of those waves entirely in one sword swing.
Not only did Mihawk slice through a wave whose size puts Big Mom's to shame(and thereby establishing that he's capable of producing attacks more devastating than her, as his slash was even bigger than her Almighty Nation attack as well), but that was a slash Mihawk sent playing around with Luffy. Likely not even with a serious slash, Mihawk shows himself to be more devastating than one of the Yonko. Putting YOUR little argument right down the shitter.
Your claim is just as, if not, even more baseless and absurd than mine.
Shanks is portrayed in the manga as a swordsman. Mihawk is called the most powerful of all swordsmen. Nope, manga pretty much directly says it.
>Mihawk is a Shichibukai. Shanks is a yonko. This automatically places Shanks above Mihawk based on portrayal alone.
A Shichibukai who's already demonstrated greater power than Big Mom, one of these Yonko. He's also a Shichibukai who's demonstrated as being the final goal as one of the Strawhats. I was going to say this puts him on the same level as Shanks in terms of story portrayal, and then I realized that Mihawk is Zoro's primary goal, while Shanks relates to Luffy's goal on a secondary level, so Mihawk is actually ahead of Shanks slightly.
>Mihawk has the title WSS. Shanks has not touched swords with Mihawk in over 15 years so this does not even pertain to being stronger than Shanks currently.
You yourself stated that, and I quote:
They don't have to actually fight each other. They can simply engage in battle with different opponents and depending on whose opponent is stronger, that will determine who is stronger, versus you jumping the gun and placing Mihawk above Shanks without any actual feats.
So which one is it? Don't try to backpedal and ignore this either when you realize you ****ed up, I wanna hear you actually explain how you go from "Shanks and Mihawk haven't clashed, so they can't be compared" to "They don't have to fight each other, we can compare what they do" to "Shanks and Mihawk haven't clashed again."
>Mihawk has used one of his strongest slashes in the marineford war, and it ended up getting thrown away by a WB commander.
Once again, no top tier is capable of one-shotting another top tier. Throw Akainu, Whitebeard, Kaido or Shanks himself in Mihawk's place, one of them were breaking Jozu's defenses with one attack only, even if it was their strongest.
We have not even seen Shanks use one of his strongest moves yet nor have we seen him seriously spar or fight with anyone, and he pretty much made Blackbeard shit his pants and run away just from appearing in front of him. Funny because if it was Mihawk instead he would have gave no shits and still kept causing havoc on Marineford. Dat portrayal and threat level of a yonko right?
It doesn't matter if we haven't seen Shanks go all out. What matters is that:
1. We haven't seem him do anything better than Mihawk
2. Mihawk's status as WSS supercedes Shanks'. So until we have confirmation in some form that Mihawk is inferior to Shanks, we can assume that anything Shanks can do, Mihawk can do and more.
And yes, that gives greater portrayal to the power of the Yonko...which includes their crew and influence. If Shanks had shown up to MF by himself with no one else, BB wouldn't have stepped down. If Shanks showed up with the same amount of power but no Emperor title, he would have been trashed.
WTF how can you have so much patience! When someone denies Shanks has shown nothing to prove he's > WSS as manga stated he shall remain a swordsman henceforth weaker than Mihawk. That's common sense, whew DO NOT REPLY TO HIM! THE THREAD IS FINISHED, IT'S PURE DENIAL AT THIS POINT.
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Garp said
Yonkos are 4 most powerful Pirates. Notice how it doesn't mention anything regarding their crew or alliances. It clearly says they are 4 powerful pirate captains who are like Emperors.
Original Japanese text refers to them not as strongest pirates, but great pirates who reign over the New World. The inclusion of their crew is implicit due to the fact that a person can only become an Emperor with a substantial crew and influence over the NW. You can be as strong as Whitebeard and Kaido, but if you have a crew full of Usopps, one boat, and a town to your name, you're never becomining one of the Yonko.
About the bisento thing scroll down the wiki(Glaive) and read the very next line:
Around the same time it also began being used as a poetic word for sword (this is the main use of the word in Modern French)
The word originated from French not English(who consider it as spear).So to be fair and logical it should be classify as part spear part sword.
Nope. Its origins in French were also that of a spear, that didn't come from English. Usage of glaive to refer to a sword didn't come about until the 15th century, and even then, it referred to swords in a poetic and not a literal manner.
