The first four Hokage vs. Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara

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oh really ? can they run away from the radius in time ? i doubt it
oh and also the space time barrier has to touch the target to teleport it
Where was diedara?
and do you know what teleportation is? Its conceptually faster than the speed of light!
The barrier is a fixed location, as whatever entity it is enters that point, it disappear. According to u minato touched the hot tbb and then teleport it?O.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.O
 

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Where was diedara?
and do you know what teleportation is? Its conceptually faster than the speed of light!
The barrier is a fixed location, as whatever entity it is enters that point, it disappear. According to u minato touched the hot tbb and then teleport it?O.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.O
idk ask the OP

and yeah so that's mean the target has to touch the space time barrier to teleport it

nah that's not what i mean that was mistake in my part,what i wanted to say is the TBB enter the space time barrier area
 

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idk ask the OP

and yeah so that's mean the target has to touch the space time barrier to teleport it

nah that's not what i mean that was mistake in my part,what i wanted to say is the TBB enter the space time barrier area
From what i saw he used a kunai.
At the end of the day i cant force u to see things the way i see it.
But i will not accept C4 kaura kill the 4 hokages. The truth is the prep time more than enough for him to dead despite the fact that it wont work on s/t user.
 

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According to me ..if
Hashirama defeated Madara who had EMS and ninetails on his side , than hashirama will surely take Itachi down

Minato defeated tobi once (it was the old tobi)..and if the tobi mentioned here is the old one then ..Minato wins

dont forget that tobirama was a space/time ninjutsu user ...he had the best water element jutsus and an edo-tensei user ...this means he will surely defeat diedara (who was killed by a 15 year old sasuke who didnt possess MS )

now remain NAGATO vs HIRUZEN
now since here only nagato is mentioned (nd not six paths of pain) so i assume that he is similar to edo-nagato...
nagato was disabled (some leg problem i dont knw) so he wont be that fast against hiruzen ...
But still if he defeated Hiruzen than ultimately it will b
hashirama , Minato, tobirama vs nagato whose end we all knw
therefore TEAM HOKAGE!!!!!!!!
 

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Anybody who says that Deidara would solo everybody with C4 is crazy.He would be dead way before he could activate that.Most of the kages are proficient in genjutsu so they would take him out pretty quickly.

You might as well say that kakashi could solo everybody with kamui.....same thing
 

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From what i saw he used a kunai.
At the end of the day i cant force u to see things the way i see it.
But i will not accept C4 kaura kill the 4 hokages. The truth is the prep time more than enough for him to dead despite the fact that it wont work on s/t user.

It will work on minato and tobirama, Firstly you have no idea about the abilities of tobirma... Or how it works.... Minato can teleport to kunai and seals , do you think he can teleport to anything anywhere? 2ndly you are assuming minato has kunai/seal placed outside the battle , which he can teleport too, then teleport back....Not the case....It may be so in the manga, but thats not the case....2ndly he will not be able to run up to the bomb and s/tb it away -_-

Thirdly and finally, They do NOT know of deidaras abilities, Sasuke saw it and his first instict was to run , and deidara said " Do you think you can escape" , Even without knowledge they may conclude its going to explode... some may run, might put up some kind treewall to tank the explosion (hashirama) , at the end of the day, nothing will come out, they'll take down the tree wall, the runners will stop running(even though you cant out run it, sasuke tried), and they will all die ....The cloud of microscopic bombs remains in the are, for the person to breathe in...It lingers there.... it doesn't go awau



1. Not when there are edos
Once again Tobirama is a character of pure speculation, all we know is that his edo tennsei performance is below orochimaru's and kabuto's , and oro's performance with edo was sucky.... which puts him at a really bad position...You know nothing about how much edos he had, how much he can summon, as lannakuu888 said, that's a no limit falacy, its a ludicrous argument.....Hashirama has bijuu? no sir.... Hashirama gave the bijuu out to villages as a sign of good trust, and nine tails was already sealed in mito.....That luxury must be giving to tobi because he has Summoning:Gedo Mazo with all of them 1-7 in it
 
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It will work on minato and tobirama, Firstly you have no idea about the abilities of tobirma... Or how it works.... Minato can teleport to kunai and seals , do you think he can teleport to anything anywhere? 2ndly you are assuming minato has kunai/seal placed outside the battle , which he can teleport too, then teleport back....Not the case....It may be so in the manga, but thats not the case....2ndly he will not be able to run up to the bomb and s/tb it away -_-

Thirdly and finally, They do NOT know of deidaras abilities, Sasuke saw it and his first instict was to run , and deidara said " Do you think you can escape" , Even without knowledge they may conclude its going to explode... some may run, might put up some kind treewall to tank the explosion (hashirama) , at the end of the day, nothing will come out, they'll take down the tree wall, the runners will stop running(even though you cant out run it, sasuke tried), and they will all die ....The cloud of microscopic bombs remains in the are, for the person to breathe in...It lingers there.... it doesn't go awau



yes, minato can teleport away the c4 karura. he could even teleport away deidara's suicide explosion if he felt like it (not that it matters, deidara will be long dead by that point). he doesn't have to run towards the bomb to teleport it. and that bomb has a ridiculously long prep time, more than enough time to defeat it.

if you're assuming that minato (fastest ninja on the battlefield) can't outrun it, then nagato definitely can't, and itachi can't either. don't mess with the ranges just to suit yourself, if anyone can avoid any attack it's s/t users.

besides, sasuke managed to avoid the c4, only tricking deidara with a genjutsu into thinking that he had died. so he can run away from it
 

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It will work on minato and tobirama, Firstly you have no idea about the abilities of tobirma... Or how it works.... Minato can teleport to kunai and seals , do you think he can teleport to anything anywhere? 2ndly you are assuming minato has kunai/seal placed outside the battle , which he can teleport too, then teleport back....Not the case....It may be so in the manga, but thats not the case....2ndly he will not be able to run up to the bomb and s/tb it away -_-

Thirdly and finally, They do NOT know of deidaras abilities, Sasuke saw it and his first instict was to run , and deidara said " Do you think you can escape" , Even without knowledge they may conclude its going to explode... some may run, might put up some kind treewall to tank the explosion (hashirama) , at the end of the day, nothing will come out, they'll take down the tree wall, the runners will stop running(even though you cant out run it, sasuke tried), and they will all die ....The cloud of microscopic bombs remains in the are, for the person to breathe in...It lingers there.... it doesn't go awau



yes, minato can teleport away the c4 karura. he could even teleport away deidara's suicide explosion if he felt like it (not that it matters, deidara will be long dead by that point). he doesn't have to run towards the bomb to teleport it. and that bomb has a ridiculously long prep time, more than enough time to defeat it.

if you're assuming that minato (fastest ninja on the battlefield) can't outrun it, then nagato definitely can't, and itachi can't either. don't mess with the ranges just to suit yourself, if anyone can avoid any attack it's s/t users.

besides, sasuke managed to avoid the c4, only tricking deidara with a genjutsu into thinking that he had died. so he can run away from it

....Stop giving minato abilities...He can't the doll, he needs to get close to it...If he could teleport the tbb from far, he would have done it....Instead of waiting for it to practically enter the space time barrier....He can't telepport deidaras explosion because it isn't condensed into a ball, its wide and devestating....The most he can do is ftg out ........ Ridiculously long prep time? don't kid your self, all he had to do was blow it up.... it happend in less than a page.... Besides sasuke managed to avoid c4? run away from it ? Did you read the manga? Sasuke was only able to escape c4 because with sharingan you can see chakra... The nanobombs are invisible.. On top of that he wasn't able to out run it.... He tried they caught up to him.....He had to send electric shocks through his body to negate the earth element.......Team hokage has no doujutsu or ability to see the nanobombs... The only known person on their team with lightning release to negate the bombs is tsunade, and it won't help if she can't see it
 

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my post flew right over your head there didn't it. He had to use a surprise tactic to defeat three of them, and deva, the main path, wasn't even among them. Against six there is no way he can win.


hey now don't let my posts get to you.


um Darui took two of them on at the same time, and the other three were chuunins and sealed ginkaku really quickly.


By feats, neither Sage jiraiya or sage naruto have an answer for a chibaku tensei. Neither Sage naruto nor jiraiya can defeat the six paths of pains while deva is ST every five seconds, asura is launching missiles, multiple boss summons are chasing them, and preta is absorbing any ninjutsu that either jiraiya or naruto manage to pull off.

Against nagato it is even worse, since he can activate preta at all times meaning frog katas are naruto/jiraiya's only options and they are not getting close to nagato when nagato is firing lasers and spaming massive shinra tenseis at them.


And all the ninja of the village were doing what when minato was fighting Tobi/rescuing kushina? Standing idley by waiting for minato to do all the fighting? No they were duking it out with the ninetails. So it really was minato and konoha vs Tobi and the ninetails.


Amazing completely amazing, especially since both gaara and oonoki have shown much more impressive feats in battle than either tsunade or mei have shown. I don't know how you judge a character's power verses anothers, I am guessing you go by your gut.

The real list has Mei and tsunade at the bottom, with A, oonoki and gaara at the top.


Why couldn't they take him as an edo? As an edo he was used so improperly that his entire arm was burned off before he shinra tenseied the flames away. As an edo, kabuto didn't even know nagato's limitations which is why he ended up getting sealed since kabuto was hoping that nagato would be more mobile.




Astounding. So Current Naruto, the guy who is beating kage-level opponents with just his clones and Sasuke uchiha, the guy who is suppose to be naruto's equal are not even in the top ten.

And you have jiraiya up there despite statements saying naruto had surpassed him from the beginning of the pain fight.

You also have Tobi as number five!? Tobi who can use all the rinnegan's powers + his own six paths of pain + space time ninjutsu + gedo mazo + intangibility + having unexplained regeneration + izanagi below hashirama and minato and madara. You do know that current tobi is basically edo madara with unkillabel six paths of jinchuriki pain, the space time, the gedo mazo, the intangibility and all that jazz. You have tobi as one above nagato, and according to you tobi was already stronger than nagato before he even got the rinnegan, so despite gaining the rinnegan, gaining his own six unkillable paths, and gaining gedo mazo, tobi doesn't move up in rank at all.

You also don't even have kabuto on the list, seeing as you put orochimaru on the list, I would hope that it was because of his edo tensei tech.

I fail to see how guys like hiruzen or hashirama would even inflict damage on Nagato being as nagato can constantly activate preta path, meaning all of their ninjutsu makes nagato stronger, and the only way that they can actually hurt nagato is if they go hand to hand, and then nagato has shinra tensei in order to keep them far away, and in case they do somehow get close he has asura armor that raped guys as physically strong as killer bee. not to mention he could always use the soul-ripping gedo mazo dragon, or chibaku tensei, attacks that hokage and hiruzen have neither the speed nor power to escape.

the real top ten is something like this:

1)Tobi
2) Kabuto
3)Madara w/ Rinegan
4)/5)Naruto/Sasuke
6)Nagato
7/8)Minato/Hiruzen
9)Itachi
10)Hashirama

that is it. By feats even itachi beats hashirama until the manga proves us otherwise.

PS I would love for you to go right now and make a thread featuring your top ten.
This will be the last post I reply to you. You clearly don't read the manga, so it is useless to argue with you.

Surprise tactics is a battle tactic. Nagato, your beloved, even admitted that Jiraiya would have defeated him had he known his secret. Naruto did. Stop ignoring what has happened in the manga.

Clearly you don't know what the phrase "couldn't care less" means". Here, I will save you a trip to google. It means I don't give a flying flip what you think. Which means you can't get to me and nothing you say towards me will ever bother me.

Lol, your points are completely retarded. Kakashi got raped by Itachi in 2.3 seconds. Does he suck? You are an idiot. A four on two assault is hard for any pair to overcome. You seem to underestimate Darui as well.

DEFEATING THE SIX PATHS IS ONE OF NARUTO'S BLASTED FEATS. Therefore, by your beloved feats, Naruto>Nagato. All those lovely abilities didn't stop him from being owned like a prisonbitch by Naruto. You are seriously ignorant and you need to read the bloody manga.

You idiot, Nagato doesn't have the chakra to keep up all those attacks, which is why he never spammed any of those.

You are seriously the only person on this site who says that it was Minato and Konoha. It was Minato one on one evertime. Then it was the village, WITHOUT Minato, attempting to hold off the Nine tails until Minato got back. Oh and if you read the manga, you would know by the time it was the village versus the 9 tails, Minato had already removed it from the control of Tobi. Read the damn manga and then come back to me.

You are truly an ignorant fool. Mei has two Kekkai Genkai. Gaara has his sand yes, but he doesn't have the experience. Onoki is old and throws his back out constantly. He is powerful, but I still have to put him at four due to his current age. I have already listed Tsunade's abilities. I'm starting to think you might read the manga, you just have the reading comprehension level of a second grader.

Lol presenting your list as the real one? You might want to put your ego in check. Gaara is the weakest of the Kage at this point. He might eventually surpass them all but all he can do is play defense and play offense from a safe distance. He is a one trick pony so to speak. Again, Onoki is way past his prime, although I think after reassessing my list, I will put him at third and Mei at four.

Are you retarded? He had unlimited chakra and the inability to die. Those are definitely to pluses for Nagato. Okay, he hoped he would be more mobile. Your point? Still doesn't take away from the fact that he lost to them fair and square. You are a serious Nagato fanboy.

Kabuto isn't on my list because I don't credit edo tensei as a tech. I credit it as outside help. It would be like including the sannin in the list as one. Kabuto uses the help of far more talented shinobi to actually be worth something. He sucks without it and is no where near the top ten without it.

The same effin way Naruto raped the paths. And if you even think to say SM Naruto is better than Hashirama, Hiruzen or Minato, you prove your ignorance completely.

Again, watch your ego. Ignorance and arrogance is a terrible combination and you teeter on that line.

By feats, Hashirama defeated Madara. Madara is the greatest Uchiha of all-time. Itachi is a Uchiha. Therefore, Hashirama can defeat Itachi. Itachi and Madara have the same techs.

I have multiple times and the only people who ever dispute my list is Kabuto fanboys and Minato haters.

Like I said, this is my last response to you. You can respond if you like, but I am not even going to read it. Some parting words: READ THE DAMN MANGA!
 

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....Stop giving minato abilities...He can't the doll, he needs to get close to it...If he could teleport the tbb from far, he would have done it....Instead of waiting for it to practically enter the space time barrier....He can't telepport deidaras explosion because it isn't condensed into a ball, its wide and devestating....The most he can do is ftg out ........ Ridiculously long prep time? don't kid your self, all he had to do was blow it up.... it happend in less than a page.... Besides sasuke managed to avoid c4? run away from it ? Did you read the manga? Sasuke was only able to escape c4 because with sharingan you can see chakra... The nanobombs are invisible.. On top of that he wasn't able to out run it.... He tried they caught up to him.....He had to send electric shocks through his body to negate the earth element.......Team hokage has no doujutsu or ability to see the nanobombs... The only known person on their team with lightning release to negate the bombs is tsunade, and it won't help if she can't see it
You do realize what the space time barrier does right? It teleports anything that enters. Meaning none of Deidara's c4 karura( or whatever they're called) will enter.
 

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You do realize what the space time barrier does right? It teleports anything that enters. Meaning none of Deidara's c4 karura( or whatever they're called) will enter.
And you do realise his s/t barrier can't teleport it all right? It covers a large area

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Not only that but This is your logic

Minato sees doll expanding
weaves handsigns for s/t barrier thinking its a explosion..
Nothing comes out
are you telling me he keeps the barrier up? total and absolute bs...He can't fight something he can't see...And s/t barrier isn't just coming from infront of him.....Its everywhere in the area,, in the air he breathes.....

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Even tobi commented on how scary it is...without doujutsu and lightning release there is no dodging it..
 

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And you do realise his s/t barrier can't teleport it all right? It covers a large area

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Not only that but This is your logic

Minato sees doll expanding
weaves handsigns for s/t barrier thinking its a explosion..
Nothing comes out
are you telling me he keeps the barrier up? total and absolute bs...He can't fight something he can't see...And s/t barrier isn't just coming from infront of him.....Its everywhere in the area,, in the air he breathes.....

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Even tobi commented on how scary it is...without doujutsu and lightning release there is no dodging it..
The blast might cover a large area but Minato only needs the barrier around himself and the other kages. Lets say the size of a living room, you know with enough space for them to have a cup of tea.
And Minato isnt stupid, once the bomb explodes he's going to keep it on and see what happens.
 

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The blast might cover a large area but Minato only needs the barrier around himself and the other kages. Lets say the size of a living room, you know with enough space for them to have a cup of tea.
And Minato isnt stupid, once the bomb explodes he's going to keep it on and see what happens.
YOU don't know how big minato can make his barrier.....Thats a no limit fallacy... all he's shown is 1 large enough to absorb a tbb in ball form....
and unless he has sharingan Minato will take it down....He won't just stand there with his hands clapsed together doing the no limit fallacy barrier you're talking about........And you must be forgetting They have people attacking them? nagato itachi tobi etc..
 

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YOU don't know how big minato can make his barrier.....Thats a no limit fallacy... all he's shown is 1 large enough to absorb a tbb in ball form....
and unless he has sharingan Minato will take it down....He won't just stand there with his hands clapsed together doing the no limit fallacy barrier you're talking about........And you must be forgetting They have people attacking them? nagato itachi tobi etc..
All four hokage can fit in a TBB lol, and so what if they are attacking? If they attack the barrier, they get sent away. And the only one who can get back to the battle field is Tobi...Not saying the barrier is what would stop it, just saying its as plausible as anything you have put forth
 

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YOU don't know how big minato can make his barrier.....Thats a no limit fallacy... all he's shown is 1 large enough to absorb a tbb in ball form....
and unless he has sharingan Minato will take it down....He won't just stand there with his hands clapsed together doing the no limit fallacy barrier you're talking about........And you must be forgetting They have people attacking them? nagato itachi tobi etc..
Whatever the limit is I think its safe to assume he can make it big enough to cover him and the other kages seeing as the one he used to teleport the tbb was big enough to cover the whole of the Kage face.
And secondly if someone threw a bomb at you, you ran and hide only to see the bomb explode but nothing happens, are u telling me you'd immediately get out of hiding? Any normal person would and see what happens. Once he sees the birds and trees around him disintegrating he isnt letting the barrier down anytime soon.
Thats assuming he gives Deidara the prep time he needs for his jutsu.
 

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Whatever the limit is I think its safe to assume he can make it big enough to cover him and the other kages seeing as the one he used to teleport the tbb was big enough to cover the whole of the Kage face.
And secondly if someone threw a bomb at you, you ran and hide only to see the bomb explode but nothing happens, are u telling me you'd immediately get out of hiding? Any normal person would and see what happens. Once he sees the birds and trees around him disintegrating he isnt letting the barrier down anytime soon.
Thats assuming he gives Deidara the prep time he needs for his jutsu.
No thats called bending the scenario to suit your side....He hasn't been shown to do that, thus you can't say he is able to do it.....And the kage statue isn't as large as you make it out to be... Naruto was shown in part 1 painting on them, and you can use his size as a way to judge its size

Thats assuming he gives Deidara the prep time he needs for his jutsu.
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Deidara spit it out in 1 page, the next
 

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No thats called bending the scenario to suit your side....He hasn't been shown to do that, thus you can't say he is able to do it.....And the kage statue isn't as large as you make it out to be... Naruto was shown in part 1 painting on them, and you can use his size as a way to judge its size

Thats assuming he gives Deidara the prep time he needs for his jutsu.
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Deidara spit it out in 1 page, the next
No bending the scenario is saying Deidara starts out in the sky. That would benefit you. Just like me saying Deidara starts off face to face with Minato like Tobi and Naruto are at the end of the last chapter would benefit me.
 
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