Tobirama is a character based purely on hype and speculation, more so than even hiruzen... we have absolutely no idea how he was with edo tensei....We know Orochimaru was better than him with it and kabuto even better than them both, and oro's performance controlling the two kages was poort...Which puts tobirama as a horrible edo tensei user,
The first four Hokage vs. Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara
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Nilloc Uzumaki
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I'm not saying he wasn't, I am simply saying that they would be sufficient enough to hold over the three Akatsuki while Deidara is killed.
namikaze5uzumaki
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are you ****ing kidding, deidara would be destroyed in 2 seconds by minato, have you ALL FORGOTTEN HASHIRAMA DEFEATED MADARA.... and also hiruzen and the 2nd were not mere pushovers...
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I still don't understand how people claim Hiruzen is all hype. HE WAS 70 EFFIN YEARS OLD AND FOUGHT ORO TO A STALEMATE! Straight ridiculous to pretend he wasn't crazy powerful 30 years beforehand.
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Oh but Madara sucks and Minato isn't fast, its just FTG. Lol they don't realize minato was so fast footspeed wise that he could be in Deidara's face before he even realized Minato moved.
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Please present any situation where deidara is killed within 2 seconds and i'll counter it accordingly, If not, and all you have to provide to the this thread is slander and comments backed up with no proof or reasoning, please leave...
With Rinnegan nagato, Ems itachi, Rinnegan Tobi + Paths and space time present
Minato's foot speed was fast but he could NOT be in his face in seconds
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If he was as fast as you stated, he would jsut appear in front tobi's face....Instead of both of them running towards each other..You are clearly hyping his speed, Digital monster made a thread in manga section proving Minato's base speed was = to either raikage's base or v1 speed
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thank you very much, it is nice the first forum i post in after reading naruto for 8 years has someone very knowledgeable. Especially of tobirama, guys water release was legendary and S/T ninjutsu were only second to tobi and maybe minato. and if tobirama had enough faith in hiruzen to make him hokage at such a young age isn't that a worthy testament to his skill.
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Things going for SM naruto:
- Pain started the battle without deva realms powers, and without all the chakra he used up using Chou shinra tensei and fighting off all the villagers.
- Naruto had the luxury of having 2 clones prepped before the battle and already in sage mode before the battle begun
- Naruto had the luxury of having intel on all of Pain's abilities while pain had none on Naruto
- Naruto had the luxury of Ma summoning all of the most powerful toads to help him fight, sparing him having to use his own chakra to do so
- Pain's intent was not to kill Naruto but to capture him, while naruto's intent was to kill him
- Pain successfully subdued Sage Naruto and captured him, and Sage naruto was forced to use the fox to get out of Pain's hold.
- Pain has already shown attacks that Sage Naruto has no answer for: Chibaku tensei, which he did not use on Naruto because it would have killed Naruto.
Is that enough reasons or should I list more?
Note to you, whenever a person says they are smarter than another person, chances are that they are not.
Okay.... already told you how tired clone naruto, oonoki, and gaara were going to repeat this low difficulty.
Yet we've never seen what edos he's summoned or how good his edos are. We've never seen his supposed ST jutsu. We've seen his water release and it couldn't even break a mud wall. We do know that he was brought to the brink of death by Kin/Gin brothers who were no big deal themselves, we do know that he died while not defeating, but STALLING only 20 ninjas, 20 who were not even low-kage level considering all were from the same village.
Last time I checked, taking someone's arms at the cost of your own life isn't a DRAW. He is hyped to be the strongest of the hokage, and I'll give him that, but he is still not as strong as pain, a guy who could single-handedly defeat the hidden leaf.
Interesting. so defeating Tobi without a rinnegan when the rest of Konoha is holding off the ninetails is considered defeating Tobi with Ninetails. You are only listing jutsus by each person, I don't see how this helps them win anything.
fails to kill an armless orochimaru, gets pushed by a high-jounin level opponent. Is considered one of the weakest of the five kages.
You seem to think that just by listing a person's jutsu, you are providing a good argument as to why they are powerful. I could list all of pain's techs, a single one of his tech makes all ninjutsu useless. Another one of his techs requires firepower that none of the hokages have in order to destroy it.
Team two stomps by a large margin.
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namikaze5uzumaki
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remember the kakashi obito mission where minato drops his bag, and before it hits the ground he is at the throat of the enemy shinobi many many meters away... his footspeed is incredible
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That thread was completely false then because Minato's foot speed is faster than Raikage's, as he admitted it. And of course I was overhyping it, it was an exaggeration. However, he is fast enough to get to Deidara before he can do C4.
That wasn't footspeed, He used ftg and teleported to kakashi
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, As you can see there his hand was on the ninjas foot, he put a seal on him
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Afterwards he ftg'd behind the guy and kill him, Minato did not use foot speed the , that was instantaneous travel, space time jutsu
Raikage admitted he was faster because of ftg and only ftg....If he had that fast foot speed, He'd be km naruto's speed and would be able to dodge raikages v2 attack...He couldn't and had to use ftg to get away because he isn't anywhere naruto km speed and raikage v2 speed on foot , he won't get to deidara as i said, chibaku tensei or allmighty push , anyone you wanna choose..
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Didn't dispute Naruto had things going for him, just the fact that Pain got half his paths messed up by Jiraiya when he was clearly at a disadvantage.
Note to you, truly intelligent people do not have confidence issues.
Already told you, NO ONE could have avoided the COMBO attack.
Kin-Gin aren't anything, you are right. Which is why Kabuto revived them. Because they sucked. And since they sucked, an ambush by them isn't very hard to counter.
Pain admitted that Jiraiya could have defeated him with knowledge of his paths. Jiraiya beat three of them without prior knowledge. Naruto beat them ALL with knowledge. Stop overrating Pain. He is an upper echelon shinobi, but not a God, as he liked to think. He only took his arms at the cost of his life because he realized that he was too old to sustain his attacks, so he decided to SACRIFICE himself for the village. Do you even read the manga?
Tobi had the Nine tails to help fight against Minato at one point. Again, do you even read the manga? And I love how you just tried to act like Tobi without the Rinnegan is some chump. Tobi without the Rinnegan made Nagato his little bitchboy in case you haven't noticed. Jutsu are what make a shinobi powerful...are you retarded? Did you think what makes them powerful is their charming looks?
Is considered the weakest Kage BY FANS WHO KNOW NOTHING, don't forget that last part. She was overcoming her fear of blood. It was her first time encountering it. And she ended up forcing them to flee. I'll ask once more, do you even read the manga?
NAGATO LOST TO NARUTO! Three paths were beaten by Jiraiya with no prior knowledge. He was beaten by Bee, Itachi and Naruto, after his personality was removed and he was made basically invulnerable. He is not at all unbeatable. No where near it.
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Nilloc Uzumaki
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No. Raikage said nothing of FTG. It was footspeed and footspeed only. And Nagato can have all those attacks. He still got raped by Jiraiya and Naruto and Bee and Itachi. NOT IMPRESSED. Minato was never even hit in battle. Show me someone else who could boast that.
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Exactly, Lanakau thinks Hokage suck so he doesn't even matter. Owarij makes good points, but he still underrates Hokage. I am sorry this is the first thread you post on because of all these ridiculous claims (Deidara could kill them all, Itachi>Hashirama, Tobi without Rinnegan isn't strong, etc.) lol
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Yes...wait....yeah, its definitely a yes. And until the manga says Raikage was referring to FTG, we will go with what was CLEARLY implied.