The first four Hokage vs. Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara

[khaydz5]

seriously?

Itachi's susanoo can cut through hashirama's forest anytime
C4 karura can be a most likely fight ender
Chibaku Tensei another fight ender

we don't know what tobirama can do or what HIRUZEN IS REALLY MADE OF.

where is your proof that hashirama can beat itachi?
where is your proof that tobirama can beat deidara?
where is your proof that HIRUZEN which could barely defeat oro could even desire to defeat nagato?

minato DID DEFEAT TOBI (this is the only one that I will accept)

so for facts TEAM AKATSUKI DESTROYS HOKAGES
if it's for hype then TEAM HOKAGES DEFEATS AKATSUKI

god. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT ITACHI's SUSANOO CAN CUT THROUGH HASHIRAMA's FOREST?

hashirama defeated madara, who is way stronger than itachi. FACT.

hokages will win with HIGH difficulty.

 

[Owarij]

My point exactly.

lollolololol

 

[siyo]

Owarij, give it up man.

You are arguing with people who think sage naruto > six paths of pain.
And lists hashirama as the second strongest character.

And lists tsunade as stronger than oonoki and gaara.
And doesn't even put naruto or sasuke in their top ten.

At this point arguing with people like this is just spinning your wheels.

Sounds like you're mad to me People have different opinions and you should respect that, unless of course they can't back it up.

I don't have hashirama as the strongest guy ever (not in top 5), but he is certainly a contender, and if people told me that, I wouldn't go crazy. Same thing with Tsunade and her fellow kages.What could Gaara or Onoki do if she rearranges their bodies? I'm not saying she is strongest (she isn't) but you could certainly make the case...

 

[lanakau888]

Sounds like you're mad to me People have different opinions and you should respect that, unless of course they can't back it up.

Oh yeah you hit the nail on the head.

I don't have hashirama as the strongest guy ever (not in top 5), but he is certainly a contender, and if people told me that, I wouldn't go crazy.

Contender for number 1?

Same thing with Tsunade and her fellow kages.What could Gaara or Onoki do if she rearranges their bodies? I'm not saying she is strongest (she isn't) but you could certainly make the case...

And how would she do this when both are long-range fighters while that attack is close range? She has absolutely no feats that put her above gaara or oonoki.
Oonoki flies up and nukes her. Gaara flies up and buries her.

And what about Sage Naruto > Pain?
And Naruto and Sasuke are not even in the top ten while guys like J-man and orochimaru are?

And he even says that base minato's speed >= V2 Raikages

go back and look at everything that has been posted for both sides and then you can make comments like this.

 

[siyo]

Contender for number 1?

Yes :|

He defeated Madara, who was called an invincible immortal by itachi,and he was the proud leader of the strongest clan ever.Everyone wants his precious dna,despite him being dead ages ago.

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And how would she do this when both are long-range fighters while that attack is close range? She has absolutely no feats that put her above gaara or oonoki.
Oonoki flies up and nukes her. Gaara flies up and buries her.

They could start the fight face to face, and most confrontations happen that way.Peope underestimate each others abilities all the time,and it only takes one hit to end it all.

And what about Sage Naruto > Pain?
And Naruto and Sasuke are not even in the top ten while guys like J-man and orochimaru are?

And he even says that base minato's speed >= V2 Raikages

go back and look at everything that has been posted for both sides and then you can make comments like this.

No, sage naruto is not stronger than pain, but it was enough to defeat him.It would be completely different If naruto could merge with ma and pa,but unfortunatly he can't.

The raikage is faster than minato (not including ftg), otherwise they wouldn't be rivals.

 

[Guildmage]

god. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT ITACHI's SUSANOO CAN CUT THROUGH HASHIRAMA's FOREST?

hashirama defeated madara, who is way stronger than itachi. FACT.

hokages will win with HIGH difficulty.

Did you see how Itachi's susanoo cut through oro's yamata orochi? well in that very same way.........

and there we go again with the A, B, C theory..... under which grounds you defend hashirama? As far as we know he only does wood release and controls Bijuu which are not included on the fight. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HASHIRAMA IS CAPABLE OF. SO HE IS MOST LIKELY LIMITED TO WHAT WE KNOW.

anyways I still don't see how the hokages can reach a flying deidara, a flying nagato, a tobi who teleports and a Itachi behind his Yata mirror

the closest one to reach them would most likely be hashirama with his wood style and hiruzen with enma staff.... what else?

EDIT: WE DO NOT KNOW OF WHAT HASHIRAMA AND TOBIRAMA CAN DO. WE ARE SIMPLY TALKING BY HYPE.... NOT BY FACTS AND THAT'S WHY I'M DEFENDING AKATSUKI

 

[TrollingSage]

Did you see how Itachi's susanoo cut through oro's yamata orochi? well in that very same way.........

and there we go again with the A, B, C theory..... under which grounds you defend hashirama? As far as we know he only does wood release and controls Bijuu which are not included on the fight. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HASHIRAMA IS CAPABLE OF. SO HE IS MOST LIKELY LIMITED TO WHAT WE KNOW.

anyways I still don't see how the hokages can reach a flying deidara, a flying nagato, a tobi who teleports and a Itachi behind his Yata mirror

the closest one to reach them would most likely be hashirama with his wood style and hiruzen with enma staff.... what else?

EDIT: WE DO NOT KNOW OF WHAT HASHIRAMA AND TOBIRAMA CAN DO. WE ARE SIMPLY TALKING BY HYPE.... NOT BY FACTS AND THAT'S WHY I'M DEFENDING AKATSUKI

Finally someone is is talking sense and not complete utter bs
There is alot of complain about fanboys but why wont there be if there are as much haters who give character imaginary limitations and powerscale? Making baseless assumption while we give them facts to chew on!

Good point there, Tobirama may have s/t jutsu which might reach him. He may also have some edos who can fly or with summons who can fly or atleast keep itachi, tobi, nagato busy for a while.
4th hokage have toad who leap quite far, they may force diedara to seperate from the group. The way I see it they will try to off diedara and then attempt the IMPOSSIBLE xd

 

[Baka Sennin]

Look at that barrier... Its only covering the front, none of it touched the back....There back will be open... and air can pass through from there... try again..... The nano bombs as i showed you is a gigantic cloud of it.. covering everywhere

it still has a specific range, which deidara made sure to steer clear of. sasuke: once i saw you were flying outside the boundary of that cloud, avoiding those bombs was simple. ch360p14.

and what is this thing about the back of the s/t jutsu? minato will put the barrier between the explosion and himself and the kage. all particles that travel towards minato will get sucked in. it's not covering everywhere, it covers a specific area. again, deidara stood was able to stand just outside the boundary without any risk.

so it's nowhere near as impossible to avoid as you're thinking. s/t jutsu +running away will do the trick, and the other 3 CANT attack as they would get caught up in deidara's jutsu.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Did you see how Itachi's susanoo cut through oro's yamata orochi? well in that very same way.........

and there we go again with the A, B, C theory..... under which grounds you defend hashirama? As far as we know he only does wood release and controls Bijuu which are not included on the fight. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HASHIRAMA IS CAPABLE OF. SO HE IS MOST LIKELY LIMITED TO WHAT WE KNOW.

anyways I still don't see how the hokages can reach a flying deidara, a flying nagato, a tobi who teleports and a Itachi behind his Yata mirror

the closest one to reach them would most likely be hashirama with his wood style and hiruzen with enma staff.... what else?

EDIT: WE DO NOT KNOW OF WHAT HASHIRAMA AND TOBIRAMA CAN DO. WE ARE SIMPLY TALKING BY HYPE.... NOT BY FACTS AND THAT'S WHY I'M DEFENDING AKATSUKI

A)Itachi doesn't have the stamina to maintain Susano'o for a long period of time. B)Madara's Susano'o clearly didn't cut through Hashirama's Wood Release as he LOST.

No. Versus threads include feats and abilities to choose who you think would win. It isn't all about abilities.

All it takes for Minato to apply a seal to them is touch them at anypoint in the match. Hashirama's Wood Release is lightning quick (proven by Edo Madara's WR which wasn't as powerful) and could reach anyone in the air or on the ground in seconds. Uh hello? Minato already hit Tobi. Again, Itachi can maintain his Susano'o for a limited amount of time before he would die.

I'll agree to that but if any of them get hit with a FTG seal, they are SCREWED. The only one of Akatsuki with a chance to combat it is Tobi (S/T jutsu) and Itachi like once with his Susano'o. IF he has the chakra.

We have no facts to say who would win or lose. It is all educated guesses. I respect your opinion and your reasoning other than your argument about Itachi's Susano'o (which would make him invincible if he had the stamina).

Do you agree that it would be a tough battle and most everyone would die?Can we just take a step back and just imagine the battle. Not who wins or loses, just how epic the battle would be... Kishi needs to make a Manga/Anime entitled Naruto: Battle Chronicles(however you say that in Japanese lol). I can't see anyone not liking it

 

[Guildmage]

Do you agree that it would be a tough battle and most everyone would die?Can we just take a step back and just imagine the battle. Not who wins or loses, just how epic the battle would be... Kishi needs to make a Manga/Anime entitled Naruto: Battle Chronicles(however you say that in Japanese lol). I can't see anyone not liking it

Totally agree with the idea of Naruto: Battle Chronicles..... That would give everyone a glimpse of where each character stands in the scale.

And make easier to debate the team match-ups

 

[khaydz5]

Did you see how Itachi's susanoo cut through oro's yamata orochi? well in that very same way.........

and there we go again with the A, B, C theory..... under which grounds you defend hashirama? As far as we know he only does wood release and controls Bijuu which are not included on the fight. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HASHIRAMA IS CAPABLE OF. SO HE IS MOST LIKELY LIMITED TO WHAT WE KNOW.

anyways I still don't see how the hokages can reach a flying deidara, a flying nagato, a tobi who teleports and a Itachi behind his Yata mirror

the closest one to reach them would most likely be hashirama with his wood style and hiruzen with enma staff.... what else?

EDIT: WE DO NOT KNOW OF WHAT HASHIRAMA AND TOBIRAMA CAN DO. WE ARE SIMPLY TALKING BY HYPE.... NOT BY FACTS AND THAT'S WHY I'M DEFENDING AKATSUKI

1.why controlling bijuu is not included in the fight? did thread said that? no.

2.why would you limit hashirama's power? and by that feat alone we all know hashirama has a huge advantage over the akatsukis.

3.we all saw how minato caught tobi even if he can use s/t. no discussion there.

4. if you wanna base it by hype definitely hashirama will just laugh at them.

5. sometimes a,b,c logic works. like hashirama defeating madara. madara and itachi are both sharingan users with almost the same techniques. and you would be a ***** if you will say itachi is stronger than madara. its obviously as simple as a-b-c with this kind of shituation.

 

[Better]

Lol deidera can wipe them all out with C4

Nagato could just chibaku tensei them

Tobi has gedo mazo

And itachi can just chill

the question isn't who will win , its which one of these attack ends it?