The first four Hokage vs. Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara

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Didn't dispute Naruto had things going for you, just the fact that Pain got half his paths messed up by Jiraiya when he was clearly at a disadvantage.
So what are you eating your words that SM Naruto handed pain his a**?
Okay, and how many paths were fighting against jiraiya at that time? only 3. And among those three wasn't even the main path, deva. If all six were out, none of the paths would have been destroyed. If pain really wanted to kill jiraiya, jiraiya doesn't have an answer for chibaku tensei, or chou shinra tensei.

Note to you, truly intelligent people do not have confidence issues.
In your case overconfidence is a confidence issue.

Already told you, NO ONE could have avoided the COMBO attack.

Kin-Gin aren't anything, you are right. Which is why Kabuto revived them. Because they sucked. And since they sucked, an ambush by them isn't very hard to counter.
No they didn't suck because Kabuto chose to revive them. they suck because they were taken out by a mere high-jounin and the ino-shika-chou.

Pain admitted that Jiraiya could have defeated him with knowledge of his paths. Jiraiya beat three of them without prior knowledge. Naruto beat them ALL with knowledge. Stop overrating Pain. He is an upper echelon shinobi, but not a God, as he liked to think. He only took his arms at the cost of his life because he realized that he was too old to sustain his attacks, so he decided to SACRIFICE himself for the village. Do you even read the manga?
So basically you are saying that Pain > Jiraiya and Pain > Naruto. Sure. And statements mean jack squat when feats directly contradict them. From what pain has shown and what jiraiya has shown, pain would destroy him.

Tobi had the Nine tails to help fight against Minato at one point. Again, do you even read the manga? And I love how you just tried to act like Tobi without the Rinnegan is some chump. Tobi without the Rinnegan made Nagato his little bitchboy in case you haven't noticed. Jutsu are what make a shinobi powerful...are you retarded? Did you think what makes them powerful is their charming looks?
And what point was that? When did Tobi and the ninetails simultaneously fight minato? I saw minato fighting Tobi while the entire village fought the ninetails, then minato sealing the ninetails and dieing. So if you really think about it, actually you don't even have to think about it and you would still realize that it was Minato and the entire leaf village vs Tobi and the Ninetails.

And the tobi thing, that is why he waited till after nagato died in order to take the rinnegan from him.

Is considered the weakest Kage BY FANS WHO KNOW NOTHING, don't forget that last part. She was overcoming her fear of blood. It was her first time encountering it. And she ended up forcing them to flee. I'll ask once more, do you even read the manga?
Do you even read my posts? I never said he beat her, but he was pushing her in his fight even before he used the blood against her. And I said ONE OF THE WEAKEST. So tell me your order of the current five kages from strongest to weakest, I would love to hear the order. And just for your information, I don't even know why you brought tsunade into this thread since SHE ISNT EVEN INCLUDED IN TEAM 1.

NAGATO LOST TO NARUTO! Three paths were beaten by Jiraiya with no prior knowledge. He was beaten by Bee, Itachi and Naruto, after his personality was removed and he was made basically invulnerable. He is not at all unbeatable. No where near it.
Didn't say he is unbeatable, but not beatable 1 vs 1 by any of the hokage. And are you then saying that one of the hokage can beat Bee, Itachi and Naruto at once?




Just for the heck of it, please do two things. First list me your top ten shinobi except for the SO6P.

Next, list me from strongest to weakest, the current five kages. And please do it quickly, you took forever to post the last response, when since you proclaimed it yourself, you being way smarter than me should be able to read, think of a counterargument, and type it out at way faster speeds than I can.
 

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Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara....

Nagato at full strength
Itachi has MS and no diseases
Tobi with 6 paths, teleportion, and incorp.
then deidera... explode away....

Hokages
wood release + few tamed tailed beast
2 time/space masters - work together
1 edo user = Somebody powerful
1 strategist/backup?....


Close battle but my money is on Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara. Because they are more versital and the kages depend on a lot of if's to get them through the battle.
 

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Entrusting someone with flawed knowledge of the manga to do your dirty work? Not very smart lol
lol i'll do it myself, i just wanna watch this movie 0.0, but yea, Basic points- If minato was faster than v2 raikage, he would be able to dodge his punch using foot speed and not ftg.... Minato's speed= Raikages v2 speed was NEVER implied

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"You are the second person able to dodge my super speedpunch "

Idk where you got Minato base speed = Raikage v2 speed, but i dont recall that ever being implied...He's the fastest man alive, because he can instantly teleport from 1 place to another....And he has reflexes matching raikages in his v2 mode...Thats all that was said...Minato has been shownrunning at tobi, if he was as fast as v2 raikage , he would instantly appear in front tobi's face like he did with naruto

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And this was v1 speed...

Hunting manga chapters is a pain T.T, movie time
 

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So what are you eating your words that SM Naruto handed pain his a**?
Okay, and how many paths were fighting against jiraiya at that time? only 3. And among those three wasn't even the main path, deva. If all six were out, none of the paths would have been destroyed. If pain really wanted to kill jiraiya, jiraiya doesn't have an answer for chibaku tensei, or chou shinra tensei.


In your case overconfidence is a confidence issue.


No they didn't suck because Kabuto chose to revive them. they suck because they were taken out by a mere high-jounin and the ino-shika-chou.


So basically you are saying that Pain > Jiraiya and Pain > Naruto. Sure. And statements mean jack squat when feats directly contradict them. From what pain has shown and what jiraiya has shown, pain would destroy him.


And what point was that? When did Tobi and the ninetails simultaneously fight minato? I saw minato fighting Tobi while the entire village fought the ninetails, then minato sealing the ninetails and dieing. So if you really think about it, actually you don't even have to think about it and you would still realize that it was Minato and the entire leaf village vs Tobi and the Ninetails.

And the tobi thing, that is why he waited till after nagato died in order to take the rinnegan from him.


Do you even read my posts? I never said he beat her, but he was pushing her in his fight even before he used the blood against her. And I said ONE OF THE WEAKEST. So tell me your order of the current five kages from strongest to weakest, I would love to hear the order. And just for your information, I don't even know why you brought tsunade into this thread since SHE ISNT EVEN INCLUDED IN TEAM 1.


Didn't say he is unbeatable, but not beatable 1 vs 1 by any of the hokage. And are you then saying that one of the hokage can beat Bee, Itachi and Naruto at once?




Just for the heck of it, please do two things. First list me your top ten shinobi except for the SO6P.

Next, list me from strongest to weakest, the current five kages. And please do it quickly, you took forever to post the last response, when since you proclaimed it yourself, you being way smarter than me should be able to read, think of a counterargument, and type it out at way faster speeds than I can.
No...Naruto still kicked his ass. And once again, no. Jiraiya killed the three, then was killed when they were all assembled. Do you even read the manga?

I really couldn't care less about your views on my confidence or intelligence.

Lol four on two, yeah they are weak. You are retarded if you truly think the brothers are weak.

What the HELL did you just say? By feats alone, it showed that Naruto is better than Pain because Naruto BEAT the six paths. Are you retarded? Nagato said Jiraiya would have beaten him with prior knowledge.

Lol no. At one point, it was Minato vs. 9 tails under Tobi's control (Minato won), until Tobi sent it away to step in to battle Minato. Then it was Minato vs. Tobi (Minato won). Then it was Minato vs. 9 tails again; This is where he sacrificed himself to seal the demon fox. Once again,Do you even read the manga?

No Tobi didn't take the Rinnegan from Nagato because Nagato was supposed to use the seventh path on him. I'll ask again, do you even read the manga?

5. Gaara (not in his prime yet)
4. Onoki (past his prime)
3. Mei Terumi
2. Tsunade
1. A
You brought them up when you said Hokage were overrated. You didn't specify it was just the four, you said Hokage in general.

Hashirama, Hiruzena and Minato could all take him on. Tobi could take him, Madara could take him. However, none of them could take him as an edo. No, none of the Hokage could take Bee, Naruto and Itachi, just like EDO-Nagato couldn't.

10. Orochimaru
9. Tobirama
8. Jiraiya
7. Itachi
6. Nagato
5. Tobi
3. Hashirama/Minato
2. Hiruzen (in his prime)
1. Madara (after he received Rinnegan)
 

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It took me 23 minutes to respond to your post because I was busy responding to Owarij and Namikaze. Sorry, I find them more worthy of my time than you. It took you 12 minutes when you are just commenting back to me. By the way, all my information is factual, yours is complete and utter bs that isn't even backed up by the manga. So your attempt to make me look foolish failed.
 

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lol i'll do it myself, i just wanna watch this movie 0.0, but yea, Basic points- If minato was faster than v2 raikage, he would be able to dodge his punch using foot speed and not ftg.... Minato's speed= Raikages v2 speed was NEVER implied

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"You are the second person able to dodge my super speedpunch "

Idk where you got Minato base speed = Raikage v2 speed, but i dont recall that ever being implied...He's the fastest man alive, because he can instantly teleport from 1 place to another....And he has reflexes matching raikages in his v2 mode...Thats all that was said...Minato has been shownrunning at tobi, if he was as fast as v2 raikage , he would instantly appear in front tobi's face like he did with naruto

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And this was v1 speed...

Hunting manga chapters is a pain T.T, movie time
While this doesn't at all prove that his footspeed is less than v2, I will go ahead and concede because of the effort and circumstantial evidence you put forth lol Enjoy your movie!
 

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Well seeing as Owarij has left to watch a movie, I shall take my leave for now and go to bed, as it is nearly sunrise here.

Lanakau I suggest you read the manga, its a good read. You might learn something about the series that Narutopedia doesn't tell you. Goodnight
 

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No...Naruto still kicked his ass. And once again, no. Jiraiya killed the three, then was killed when they were all assembled. Do you even read the manga?
my post flew right over your head there didn't it. He had to use a surprise tactic to defeat three of them, and deva, the main path, wasn't even among them. Against six there is no way he can win.

I really couldn't care less about your views on my confidence or intelligence.
hey now don't let my posts get to you.

Lol four on two, yeah they are weak. You are retarded if you truly think the brothers are weak.
um Darui took two of them on at the same time, and the other three were chuunins and sealed ginkaku really quickly.

What the HELL did you just say? By feats alone, it showed that Naruto is better than Pain because Naruto BEAT the six paths. Are you retarded? Nagato said Jiraiya would have beaten him with prior knowledge.
By feats, neither Sage jiraiya or sage naruto have an answer for a chibaku tensei. Neither Sage naruto nor jiraiya can defeat the six paths of pains while deva is ST every five seconds, asura is launching missiles, multiple boss summons are chasing them, and preta is absorbing any ninjutsu that either jiraiya or naruto manage to pull off.

Against nagato it is even worse, since he can activate preta at all times meaning frog katas are naruto/jiraiya's only options and they are not getting close to nagato when nagato is firing lasers and spaming massive shinra tenseis at them.

Lol no. At one point, it was Minato vs. 9 tails under Tobi's control (Minato won), until Tobi sent it away to step in to battle Minato. Then it was Minato vs. Tobi (Minato won). Then it was Minato vs. 9 tails again; This is where he sacrificed himself to seal the demon fox. Once again,Do you even read the manga?
And all the ninja of the village were doing what when minato was fighting Tobi/rescuing kushina? Standing idley by waiting for minato to do all the fighting? No they were duking it out with the ninetails. So it really was minato and konoha vs Tobi and the ninetails.

No Tobi didn't take the Rinnegan from Nagato because Nagato was supposed to use the seventh path on him. I'll ask again, do you even read the manga?



5. Gaara (not in his prime yet)
4. Onoki (past his prime)
3. Mei Terumi
2. Tsunade
1. A
Amazing completely amazing, especially since both gaara and oonoki have shown much more impressive feats in battle than either tsunade or mei have shown. I don't know how you judge a character's power verses anothers, I am guessing you go by your gut.

The real list has Mei and tsunade at the bottom, with A, oonoki and gaara at the top.

You brought them up when you said Hokage were overrated. You didn't specify it was just the four, you said Hokage in general.

Hashirama, Hiruzena and Minato could all take him on. Tobi could take him, Madara could take him. However, none of them could take him as an edo. No, none of the Hokage could take Bee, Naruto and Itachi, just like EDO-Nagato couldn't.
Why couldn't they take him as an edo? As an edo he was used so improperly that his entire arm was burned off before he shinra tenseied the flames away. As an edo, kabuto didn't even know nagato's limitations which is why he ended up getting sealed since kabuto was hoping that nagato would be more mobile.


10. Orochimaru
9. Tobirama
8. Jiraiya
7. Itachi
6. Nagato
5. Tobi
3. Hashirama/Minato
2. Hiruzen (in his prime)
1. Madara (after he received Rinnegan)
Astounding. So Current Naruto, the guy who is beating kage-level opponents with just his clones and Sasuke uchiha, the guy who is suppose to be naruto's equal are not even in the top ten.

And you have jiraiya up there despite statements saying naruto had surpassed him from the beginning of the pain fight.

You also have Tobi as number five!? Tobi who can use all the rinnegan's powers + his own six paths of pain + space time ninjutsu + gedo mazo + intangibility + having unexplained regeneration + izanagi below hashirama and minato and madara. You do know that current tobi is basically edo madara with unkillabel six paths of jinchuriki pain, the space time, the gedo mazo, the intangibility and all that jazz. You have tobi as one above nagato, and according to you tobi was already stronger than nagato before he even got the rinnegan, so despite gaining the rinnegan, gaining his own six unkillable paths, and gaining gedo mazo, tobi doesn't move up in rank at all.

You also don't even have kabuto on the list, seeing as you put orochimaru on the list, I would hope that it was because of his edo tensei tech.

I fail to see how guys like hiruzen or hashirama would even inflict damage on Nagato being as nagato can constantly activate preta path, meaning all of their ninjutsu makes nagato stronger, and the only way that they can actually hurt nagato is if they go hand to hand, and then nagato has shinra tensei in order to keep them far away, and in case they do somehow get close he has asura armor that raped guys as physically strong as killer bee. not to mention he could always use the soul-ripping gedo mazo dragon, or chibaku tensei, attacks that hokage and hiruzen have neither the speed nor power to escape.

the real top ten is something like this:

1)Tobi
2) Kabuto
3)Madara w/ Rinegan
4)/5)Naruto/Sasuke
6)Nagato
7/8)Minato/Hiruzen
9)Itachi
10)Hashirama

that is it. By feats even itachi beats hashirama until the manga proves us otherwise.

PS I would love for you to go right now and make a thread featuring your top ten.
 
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It took me 23 minutes to respond to your post because I was busy responding to Owarij and Namikaze. Sorry, I find them more worthy of my time than you. It took you 12 minutes when you are just commenting back to me. By the way, all my information is factual, yours is complete and utter bs that isn't even backed up by the manga. So your attempt to make me look foolish failed.
You want to talk BS? Here is the BS you have posted:

Sage Naruto > Pain
Tsunade > Oonoki/Gaara
Minato/Hashirama/Hiruzen > CURRENT TOBI
Minato's footspeed = V2 Raikage speed

Jiraiya/Orochimaru > Current Naruto/EMS Sasuke
 

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Will the hokages go all out and throw away their principles? Then they would win.
1.The first gets all the bijuus back(I wont credit that to tobi)
2. 2nd hokage uses Edo
3.3rd hokage in his prime using hype no jutsu(>3rd raikage)
4.All forbidden jutsus used
 

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C4 karura pawns all
1. Not when there are edos :p:flaw:
2.The way i see it, diedara will be blasting too much so he will be taken care of by minato or tobirama early in the fight. Please dont bring the kamui bull crap. minato and tobirama s/t is far efficient to deal with a flying douche.
3.Minato can also teleport the big clay. It look like it would explode, common sense tell me minato wont wait to see what it does. Sasuke only tried out running it because he has no such jutsu
Seriously people am expecting Senju vs reningan/sharingan spam fest not diedara killing s/t HOKAGES. I feel trolled to see certain comment honestly. U_U
If you think hokages loses that a very fair play, but diedara single handedly?O.O:mad::eek:_O-
 
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(facepalm) minato has to touch or at least the attack coming after him like the TBB to teleport the jutsu so if minato can't get close to the huge clay he can't do anything and am sure that the other akatsuki won't let minato get near that attack
 

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(facepalm) minato has to touch or at least the attack coming after him like the TBB to teleport the jutsu so if minato can't get close to the huge clay he can't do anything and am sure that the other akatsuki won't let minato get near that attack
1.Soo much flaw in your statement it is unreal. that shit looks like a bomb and sasuke tried out running it. If you cant teleport a grenade away, what do you do? That right u jump ur ass out the devil there!!!:flaw:
2. Minato didnt touch the tail beast bomb. He used a s/t barrier and how do you know the way tobirama's s/t works?
 

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1.Soo much flaw in your statement it is unreal. that shit looks like a bomb and sasuke tried out running it. If you cant teleport a grenade away, what do you do? That right u jump ur ass out the devil there!!!:flaw:
2. Minato didnt touch the tail beast bomb. He used a s/t barrier and how do you know the way tobirama's s/t works?
1. yeah they run but if c4 karura explode all of the hokage will be confuse and i bet they will stop and thinking and while they think about it it will to late for them
2.yes sir the space time barrier touch the TBB and that's mean he have to get close enough to the bomb so he can teleport it, don't u remember how he teleport the kyubi ? and tobirama s/t jutsu, yeah i don't know about it and how about u ? do u know how it work ?
 

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1. yeah they run but if c4 karura explode all of the hokage will be confuse and i bet they will stop and thinking and while they think about it it will to late for them
2.yes sir the space time barrier touch the TBB and that's mean he have to get close enough to the bomb so he can teleport it, don't u remember how he teleport the kyubi ? and tobirama s/t jutsu, yeah i don't know about it and how about u ? do u know how it work ?
If the run away from the radius, how will they die :flaw:
2. The concept of the s/t barrier is from the point the barrier is made, any entity will be transported to another location. Those cell will too, but it wont come to that. Because if they see and huge bomb and run a mile away from it and it doesnt explode, they will still notice birds and tree are disintegrating and the 3rd will say lets chill here for minute or two. Hashirama is ****ing tree btw and will see what is happening(he is similar to zetsu). If anything that jutsu will just pissed him off for destroying his garden.
Still havent touched on tobirama's s/t :shrug:
 
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