soulreaper11
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I say hokage cause Deidara was the fourth guy and he will be the first to die fast making it a 4 on 3.
The first four Hokage vs. Nagato, Itachi, Tobi and Deidara
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1. I still don't read a clear counter for C4...... and btw to your reply..... MINATO NEEDS FIRST TO STICK THE KUNAI WITH THE SEAL, IT IS NOT LIKE TOBI'S JUTSU THAT HE CAN GO ANYWHERE HE WANTS.
2. Where does Minato appears sending TBB away? show me a link. So Chibaku tensei AND EVEN CHOU SHINRA TENSEI ARE STILL ON GAME.
3. There is no proof of Hiruzen capabilities when he was young and in the topic it is not stated if he was young or old.
4. Have you at least realized that Deidara is flying and all the others are on the ground? The only kage that has a chance of reaching deidara's supersonic flight is the first hokage with his wood release which can be cut down like grass by itachi's susanoo.
5. So if Hashirama (A) defeated Madara (B) which can defeat Itachi (C) then, that means that A defeats C?? THAT'S THE MOST MISTAKEN THEORY EVER. Have you ever heard of circunstances and advantages of attacks? Well here we have Itachi which can burn down hashirama's forest anytime with no problems, don't bring up that hashirama may have something else, until it is not stated we cannot count anything else.
6. I still can't see where does tobirama manages to reach deidara's flying abilities and SO CALLED SUPERSONIC SPEED YET.
7. Nagato DESTROYED, DEMOLISHED, MADE A NEW LOOK FOR IT, TO THAT VERY SAME VILLAGE OF THAT 18 year old HOKAGE BY HIMSELF WHEN HE WAS WHAT AROUND 23? =) =)
8. AGAIN WHERE IS YOUR PROOF OF HOW GODLY WAS HIRUZEN WHEN HE WAS YOUNG..... AND NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT HIRUZEN SUCKED, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN HE WAS OLD HE WASN'T THE BIG DEAL AND YES OROCHIMARU IS PRETTY STRONG, AND IN MY BOOK EVEN RANKING IN NUMBER 5 OF THE AKATSUKIS. NO MORE THAN THAT, the fact that Hiruzen was called a god makes us think he was amazing BUT TO WHAT POINT? there has been MANY HYPES IN THIS MANGA WHICH DON'T DEFEND WELL THEIR TITLES.
Such as:
*Ebisu saying that the power of a sannin can only be defeated by another sannin.
*Gaara's Defense is unpenetrable.... when we could clearly see lee breaking it.
*Kakuzu fought the first hokage..... YES AND HE LOST, people hype him just for that.
*Byakugan hypes which at the beggining were supposed to be better than sharingan, and look where it is now.
AND THERE COMES HIRUZEN'S PRIME HYPE.... WE DON'T EVEN KNOW......
AND ONCE AGAIN....... it is not stated if old hiruzen or prime hiruzen.... and since the only one WE HAVE REALLY SEEN FIGHTING IS OLD HIRUZEN..... THE MOST LOGICAL THINKING IS TO SAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OLD HIRUZEN ON THIS TOPIC.
have a nice day. =)
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How will minato make it to deidara if nagato and tobi both use chibaku tensei right after the other?
No your statement is wrong, wanna know why? The battle can't start and minato ftg kills deidara, he has to throw kunai, he has to get a seal on them..... Yours sounds ridiculous , mines is saying, nagato throws up is chibaku tensei while deidara spits out his c4.....There is NO way they can defeat that......Its impossible...If they focus their efforts on the core, Deidaras doll explodes and they all die....Your statement was entirely ludicrous .....Mines was reasonable and using abilities the characters all have...
Lmao exactly, he hasn't countered c4 , because he can't ....
His response is
None of the hokage can counter it, and he stubbornly refuses to accept that fact....
You've done it inanother thread...You commenting on how you refused to believe any kage level shinobi would fall under kotoamatsuki , Thats just being ignorant ,
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naruto kyuubi
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Itachi only had ms bt shodaime had defeated the madara uchicha with ems.though he survived it was a fact even madara admits.and nidaime had raijin the god of lightning i cant see him loosing to deidara i mean omoi defeated him all right.next up is tobi with out his rinnengan sarutobi can defeat him.bt the greatest problem will be nagato though if minato finds his true body then he can win it.
Nilloc Uzumaki
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I never claimed KA couldn't beat Kage level shinobi, I said that there was no way Shisui would have defeated the Hokage. Sorry, but there is a reason they are called Hokage. People severely underrate Kage, its rather annoying. You clearly are one of these people as you claim that Deidara can beat them all and my signature.
You are truly ignorant if you believe Deidara or Shisui would ever have defeated one of the first four hokage. Kishi writes the series. Think from his perspective. Who do you think he would say would win? Deidara or a Hokage?
BTW we have seen how fast these people can throw kunai, and we also know Minato can teleport to them while they are in motion. We also know Minato has kunai that are already marked when he goes into battle.
As for the above dude, I lost all focus once he started to kid himself into thinking Itachi is better than Hashirama. I see no reason to believe Itachi has powers that make him more of a mismatch for Hashirama than Madara.
Please answer the bolded with what you truly believe.
Oh and I hope you are proud of yourself for starting the C4 argument, nobody else thought of it, they are just copying you lol
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lanakau888
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Nilloc Uzumaki
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The first's Wood release, the second's Edo tensei(which you make a huge deal out of), the Thirds Monkey King: Enma summoning and the Fourth's Flying Thunder God are all just as OP as the opposing sides techniques.
lanakau888
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The six paths of pain is stronger than any of the past hokages. Nagato is basically a more powerful version of them. Then you have Tobi who's jinchuriki paths are more powerful than the six path's of pain. Then you take Tobi who is stronger than Nagato. You throw in Gedo mazo, itachi, and deidara to overkill the last guy and there is no way team one stands a chance.
Minato, Hiruzen, Hashirama, or Tobirama < Nagato or Itachi + Deidara + Gedo mazo < Six jinchuriki paths < Rinnegan Tobi
Basically everyone from team 2 is stronger than the strongest of team one by far.
I NEVER said deidara could defeat any of the hokages 1v1......Most likely he'd be defeated before he can even go aerial.....
I did however say with back up from Nagato, itachi , tobi and his paths... He will be able to use c4....
Yes i have seen how fast these people can throw kunai
what's stopping Itachi from throwing back a shruiken or kunai and deflecting the one's minato threw?
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Or tobi/Nagato for gravity pushing them back?.....There is just no way any kunai is getting near deidara with that amount of back up..
Nilloc Uzumaki
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Lol no? The six paths of pain got raped hardcore by Naruto WITHOUT KM. Six paths are overrated so bad. And Hokage are underrated completely.
lanakau888
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So you are one of those people who think that Sage naruto > pain?
Tell me right now if you seriously think Sage Naruto > Pain so I can stop debating with you.
And hokage's are overrated completely. Hashirama? Greatest feat defeating EMS madara, the same feat that was going to be repeated easily by an exhausted naruto clone?
Tobirama? Brought to the brink of death by kin/gin, the same guys who lost to darui, a guy who is probably not even low-kage level.
Hiruzen is all hype and he is no way stronger than nagato.
Minato is the same.
sorry, I cannot agree with this.
Six path of pain got defeated due to many disadvantages and Naruto's prep time advantages. SO SIX PATHS ARE NOT OVERRATED, they were simply on a bad scenario moment.
Hokages, yes they are underrated except for Minato and Tsunade. Minato lives up to his legend. Tsunade is the best med in existance for now. As for Hiruzen, we have not seen what he could do neither we have seen of the senju bros.
Nilloc Uzumaki
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You never answered my question.
Also, just curious, give me you top ten shinobi of all time.
Nilloc Uzumaki
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I have a question then. You posted that the Hokage have 3 top 5 (Edo Madara is a reanimation and is invalid, you can't include an edo lol) and 4 top ten on their team, while the Akatsuki have just 2 in the top five. That means you believe that the Hokage have more powerful members.
Let's skip the battle scenarios, the bullshit combo attacks our imaginations lead us to and let's go with straight up, which team is more powerful. And by your ranking, its the Hokage. Also, all four of the Hokage have the Will of Fire.
In conclusion, the C4 argument is a battle scenario. So throw that out. Strictly, which team is stronger, its the Hokage, as even your rankings show.
sry edited my top 10, can't believe i missed out 2 important ones
Which team is more powerful?I'll go with team 1, why not
But this is a versus thread...That's not how battles work, A judge doesn't just come , look at the people fighting, and decide a winner based on feats etc..... The deciding factor of this match is easily Deidara and his c4, with team 1 have no counter....
Which team is the most deadly? Team 2....easily...
It doesn't matter how powerful they are..... They'll lose....
Nilloc Uzumaki
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Clearly, SM Naruto kicked his Pain's ass. Go ahead and be one of those idiots who claim that somehow that never happened. You probably think Sasuke truly defeated Itachi as well.
LOL Hokage's overrated? The leaders of the strongest hidden village? The ones who are considered the strongest in the village? That is pure idiocy and a complete lack of intelligence. If you are going to ridicule someone, at least make sure your facts are straight. Let me correct you:
1. Naruto clone, Onoki AND Gaara were close to defeating a Madara that was screwing around.
2. Kin/Gin ambushed him. Again, you must be one of those idiots who claim Tobirama sucks.
3. Hiruzen was given the title God of Shinobi by his peers, Nagato is a self proclaimed God. Sorry, I lean toward the one who isn't self absorbed and has the will of fire. Also, give me proof that Hiruzen couldn't beat Nagato? Oh, you don't have any? Interesting...
4. I refuse to argue with a Minato hater, just like I refuse to deal with Sasuke Fanboys.
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Nilloc Uzumaki
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I was wondering where Kabuto and Tobi were lol
Okay, I honestly won't argue with you now that you have admitted the Hokage are more powerful lol Now its all about battle scenarios. Okay, sure the Hokage have no known way to combat Deidara's C4, but look at it like this. Tobirama has Edo Tensei, so he can summon powerful beings from his past. All of a sudden its 20 on 4(or 16 with the paths of pain). Now that that is done, its gonna be harder for Deidara to just float above to drop C4 correct? After Tobirama does that, Hashirama can use his wood release to quickly take out Deidara. Now it is 20 on 3 (or 15 with the paths of pain). Do you argue with that logic?
This battle really could go either way. But in a versus thread, you have to go with who you think its the most powerful, because scenarios are completely made up and the ones you draw up will always favor your viewpoint. Do you see where I am coming from?
lanakau888
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I never knew it was possible for anyone to think SM Naruto > Pain while also believing that Sasuke didn't beat itachi. Its pretty obvious that SM naruto had lots of help, and handicaps going for him in his fight against pain.
Oh I haven't even started to riducule you. Especially if you are saying Hokage are strong just by throwing their titles at me.
All were exhausted, and were about to defeat EMS madara with low difficulty. EMS madara even said it was too much for him.
He is not impressive, and from his shown and foretold feats he is not impressive at all.
Titles, you only basis of defending Hiruzen is a title. Basically Nagato has a few ways of dealing with hiruzen: Chibaku tensei, chou shinra tensei, and lets add that hiruzen doesn't even have knowledge about nagato's abilities which makes it a much more daunting task.
LOL I am far from a minato hater. I am just a person who bases a characters ability by feats. Minato is in my top ten as well as hiruzen and Shodai, but three of team two just happen to be in the top five positions.
Nilloc Uzumaki
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Oh Naruto had alot of things going for him? Just like Pain did going into his battle with Jiraiya? Failed point. Regardless, Pain lost. Pain also got three of his paths straight raped by Jiraiya when he had no idea about the paths.
Not ridiculing me, ridiculing Hokage. I am far more intelligent than you are, so I am not too worried about you ridiculing me.
Hashirama: Wood Release, defeated Madara
Tobirama: Greatest Water Release ever, Edo Tensei, S/T Jutsu
Hiruzen: Enma, all of Konoha's jutsu, Reaper seal,fought Oro to a draw at the age of 70
Minato: FTG, Rasengan, Fuinjutsu, Fastest Shinobi ever, defeated Tobi WITH 9 tails, Gamabunta summon
Tsunade: Greatest Med Nin ever, Katsuya summon, super strong, Taijutsu expert
That enough for you?
Do you know of any Shinobi who could avoid that attack? Other than Tobi and MINATO(a hokage).
Read the above, all those are very impressive.
Lets see here, Jiraiya took out three paths without knowledge. Jiraiya wasn't the smartest. Hiruzen is smarter and more powerful. Do the math.
Please don't tell me you have Itachi ahead of the first, third or fourth hokage...
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