Second strongest Hokage now? or not?

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Hiruzen is the most balanced hokage because he knows a lot but Minato Hashirama and Tobirama all stuck to a mastered and perfected fighting style while Hiruzen Branched out and Became good In Everything

Hiruzen is jack of all , master of non type

 

[Naijakid]

Edo Hokages:

1. Minato
2. Hashirama
3. Tobirama
4. Hiruzen

Alive Hokages:

1. Hashirama
2. Minato
3. Tobirama
4. Hiruzen [non-prime U_U]

Da heck???

Hashirama roflstomped all the Hokages weda Edo or not

 

[Da Best Ever]

1. That is old news, i'm referring to the feat where he teleported the small battalion of ninja. And yes give credit to Minato for something 2 other people were equal responsible.. nice. I mean why mention the Tailed beast that allowed that to happen through its chakra.. or the kid that acted as the medium. Right?

- Bro, mastery over FTG has nothing to do with putting your seals on random places.. rofl. I guess Naruto isn't a master of shadow clone since he doesn't have one at konoha.

2. And Tobirama would've used ftg to counter it and slash him...

3. Them cracking the walls and rooms with just releasing their chakra is a feat due to their huge amounts. Him being unable to be controlled by normal Edo tensei is a feat to his huge chakra pool...

4. Sure go ahead and show me where Minato reacted to Juubito. And i guess rinnegan and SM sensing are fodder according to you right?

just because u say he would have done doesnt meanhe would have..tobirama already said minato was faster and minato barely was able to catch obtio, if minato ftg> tobirama how can tobirama hit obito who minato barely hit...

the crumbling of the building was due to chakra potency and pressure, not the amount thats funny that u even thought that expressed the amount of chakra they had...hiruzen a the age of 69 when he barely had any chakra wa dense enough to cause the shingles on the roof to crumble and the atmosphere pressure to become thick when he faced oro during the chuunin exam

where was tobirama's rinnegan/sm sensing when he was easily countered by a rinnegan and sm sensing..thats logic right there that proves tobirama's sensing=rinnnegan/sm sensing had it he would have not been countered so easily, whats funny is tobirama got shitted on after trying to be sneaky and attack from behind and he still was countered and stomped, and then madara gave him a speech on how tobirama uses that same tactic before and how he was a sneaky coward...if tobirama was so smart why try that same maneuver on a shinobi who basically grew up with u and battle u over the years and who brother u killed using the same series of tactics??? thats shit was dumb as hell

 

[Penguin]

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Oh look, Minato summoning gamabunta. And then teleporting the nine tailed fox afterwards. If that doesn't scream huge chakra levels, I dont know what does.

Of course he can use a shadow clone without KCM

How much chakra does FTG take up again?

I see Gamabunta. And I never said that Minato cannot use Kage Bunshin while he is alive.

And please show me what happened after Minato teleported the TBB, and imagine if he had made a Kage Bunshin before that. Maybe die from chakra exhaustion?

Yes.


Ok,fine if u belive that the gap b/w Tobirama and Hashirama is that big but he is not beating Minato with it,Madara with his regular Susanoo standing on a rock while trolling gokage Bunta can cover that much hight if he is standing on wood or he can simply jump away from FTW.

Lmfao.

He can keep jumping, but the pollen will still be there. If he wants to attack Hashirama, he will get caught in FTW.

 

[EZQ]

Tobirama > = Alive Minato (No kiuuby)

I'll explain why, while Minato is faster, Tobirama is way more complete, has shown a lot of abilities and even a powerhouse technique (edo explosives) , Minato's strongest technique is rasengan, combined with FTG is very dangerous but it doesn't work against some opponents.

If Minato gets the kiuuby then its a whole different thing.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

see...the thing is....we never really seen minato go full scale kinda like how the 3rd(vs orochimaru/5 elements to counter spiral zetsu) and hashi (vs madara) did....we seen him cleverly crush obito...seal nine tails and himself using reaper death seal which was amazing i must say then the hype feats....1 sealing a ttb...2 sealing a juubi's tbb...3 dat speed dat logic....but i need more of a fight fight from him to say....

i say
tobirama
sarutobi
minato

 

[Minator93]

Da heck???

Hashirama roflstomped all the Hokages weda Edo or not

Edo BM Minato beats Edo Hashirama U_U

 

[Fair Warning]

How much chakra does FTG take up again?

I see Gamabunta. And I never said that Minato cannot use Kage Bunshin while he is alive.

And please show me what happened after Minato teleported the TBB, and imagine if he had made a Kage Bunshin before that. Maybe die from chakra exhaustion?

Jeez, you want manga scans for everything. Excuse me, I'm on mobile

Teleporting himself requires very little chakra, maybe non at all. Teleporting something 300x his size without touching it, requires a lot of chakra.

After Minato teleports Kurama and a tailed beast bomb, he sets up a barrier, seals 50% of the strongest tailed beast in himself, then in his son.


The fact that in my previous scan, minato says "Its been awhile since I've used.." Means that he has used that technique while alive, which he requires multiple shadow clones.

Your done, sorry.

 

[EZQ]

Edo BM Minato beats Edo Hashirama U_U

No freaking way.

Hashirama was able to easely hold a 100% Kiuuby's Bijuudama not even on Sage Mode.

Minato's 50% Bijuudama is not doing anything to SM Hashirama's sinsusenjuu. And forget about marking him, to use FTG he needs to get close to Hashirama first, and he aint doing that,

 

[Fair Warning]

No freaking way.

Hashirama was able to easely hold a 100% Kiuuby's Bijuudama not even on Sage Mode.

Minato's 50% Bijuudama is not doing anything to SM Hashirama's sinsusenjuu. And forget about marking him, to use FTG he needs to get close to Hashirama first, and he aint doing that,

I'd like to see Hashirama try to touch him.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Tobirama, is he officially now the second strongest Hokage now? or no?


Are the feat fans still gonna go on with the same argument? And be biased? Or are we admitting that there is a kind of a big gap between Tobirama and Minato, similar to Hashirama and Hiruzen?




-Shadow clone
-Edo tensei
-Skills on the level of EMS Madara
-HUGE chakra levels
-FTG
-Soul jutsu of Dan (or another soul transfer tech)
-Fighting jounin level ninja since they was kids

Also, if you notice the relationship of Minato and Tobirama is similar to Hiruzen and Hashirama (Not in a student teacher wise, but the roles wise).

Descendant Hokages:
Hiruzen = Strongest ninja of his time, huge scales of jutsu and so on

Minato = Fastest ninja of his time, and a genius in creating and so on


Ancestor Hokages:
Hashirama = Strongest ninja of his time, jutsu on huge scales and so on

Tobirama = Fastest ninja of his time and a genius in creating and so on.
I'm interested on what NB's opinion is on this now?


Hiruzen = Weaker version of Hashirama (not literally , but in a way)

Minato = Weaker version of Tobirama (not literally, but in a way)



I wanna see NB's opinion on this matter now.

lets go feats wise.
In this third shinobi war lets see who accomplished what !!!
1.Hiruzen
just demonstrated he can use all elements
freed naruto from god tree

2.Tobirama
fought with jutbio along side Minato
used some edo tensei improvised jutsu but in vain
helped Minato to take away Micro TBB

3.Minato
saved the ninja alliance twice. once from giant TBB of jubbiii and then 5TBB of god tree.
saved naruto and sasuke
sliced obito's neck
harassed jubio in partnership with tobirama
Lend naruto more chakra to fight.
helped to extract bijjuss from Jubito
still alive and ready to kick ass of madara.

now king hashirama you decide who is more useful

 

[Avinash012]

Lmfao.

Ur point here?

Are u laughing because I said Minato used SC's better than Tobirama?

He can keep jumping, but the pollen will still be there. If he wants to attack Hashirama, he will get caught in FTW.

Proof?Show me the scans of Hashirama covering that much area with his wood?
Like I said b4 Bunta's hight is more than enough to avoid FTW's effect.

Hashirama is at the top of the list my fav characters followed by Itachi,Minato and Tobirama(below Itachi and Minato),even I can't see him taking on them that easily if ur going to say that they can't do anything because they have no feats of countering FTW then it is beyond me.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Tobirama > = Alive Minato (No kiuuby)

I'll explain why, while Minato is faster, Tobirama is way more complete, has shown a lot of abilities and even a powerhouse technique (edo explosives) , Minato's strongest technique is rasengan, combined with FTG is very dangerous but it doesn't work against some opponents.

If Minato gets the kiuuby then its a whole different thing.

name an opponent that wou,dnt work against???


also the exlposive tag jutsu is specifically for edo tensei state not him alive

also and minato has more jutsu but what good will they do he cant touch minato

also u must have never played any sport requiring physical contact because if u had u would have known that Speed Kills

 

[Penguin]

Jeez, you want manga scans for everything. Excuse me, I'm on mobile

No. I just wanted you to remember that he was exhausted.

Teleporting himself requires very little chakra, maybe non at all. Teleporting something 300x his size without touching it, requires a lot of chakra.

Most likely.

After Minato teleports Kurama and a tailed beast bomb, he sets up a barrier, seals 50% of the strongest tailed beast in himself, then in his son.

Let me correct you. After Minato teleports Kurama, uses Rasengan, teleports himself, summons Bunta, and teleports the TBB, he is exhausted. You think he would be able to use a Kage Bunshin in his scenario, and still be able to fight?

The fact that in my previous scan, minato says "Its been awhile since I've used.." Means that he has used that technique while alive, which he requires multiple shadow clones.

I think you are not understanding me correct. I said he can use Kage Bunshin. I said he could not feel comfortable with his chakra levels after using Kage Bunshin, summoning Bunta, Rasengan, and FTG in the same fight.

Your done, sorry.

Not at all. Just a misunderstanding.

 

[Sir Blades]

Jeez, you want manga scans for everything. Excuse me, I'm on mobile

Teleporting himself requires very little chakra, maybe non at all. Teleporting something 300x his size without touching it, requires a lot of chakra.

After Minato teleports Kurama and a tailed beast bomb, he sets up a barrier, seals 50% of the strongest tailed beast in himself, then in his son.


The fact that in my previous scan, minato says "Its been awhile since I've used.." Means that he has used that technique while alive, which he requires multiple shadow clones.

Your done, sorry.

You are a good example of those who KNOW how to read manga, not just look at the pics. Good comeback FW.

 

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Da heck???

Hashirama roflstomped all the Hokages weda Edo or not

actually edo Minato can seal edo hashirama.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

No freaking way.

Hashirama was able to easely hold a 100% Kiuuby's Bijuudama not even on Sage Mode.

Minato's 50% Bijuudama is not doing anything to SM Hashirama's sinsusenjuu. And forget about marking him, to use FTG he needs to get close to Hashirama first, and he aint doing that,

why would Minato keeps on fighting the pawn (i.e non necessary things ) when he can get close and personal to the real hashirama.
P.s One slice of kunai is enough to slit throat of hashirama. surely Hashi can't regenerate his dissected head.

It is proved fact that madara speed blitzed hashirama and make him paralyzed. Minato can do the same thing quickly.

 

[Penguin]

Ur point here?

Are u laughing because I said Minato used SC's better than Tobirama?



Proof?Show me the scans of Hashirama covering that much area with his wood?
Like I said b4 Bunta's hight is more than enough to avoid FTW's effect.

Hashirama is at the top of the list my fav characters followed by Itachi,Minato and Tobirama(below Itachi and Minato),even I can't see him taking on them that easily if ur going to say that they can't do anything because they have no feats of countering FTW then it is beyond me.

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With FTW up, he is untouchable until someone destroys the trees. Minato or Tobirama cannot.

 

[Fair Warning]

Let me correct you. After Minato teleports Kurama, uses Rasengan, teleports himself, summons Bunta, and teleports the TBB, he is exhausted. You think he would be able to use a Kage Bunshin in his scenario, and still be able to fight?

I think you are not understanding me correct. I said he can use Kage Bunshin. I said he could not feel comfortable with his chakra levels after using Kage Bunshin, summoning Bunta, Rasengan, and FTG in the same fight.

1. What are you talking about? Why would he need to use KB? He didn't need to and still won.

2. Again, he didn't need to use Kage bunshin in that fight that required him to use so many other jutsu. In a separate fight, he could use KB multiple times because he doesn't have to use RDS or STB or summon Gamabunta

 

[Penguin]

1. What are you talking about? Why would he need to use KB? He didn't need to and still won.

2. Again, he didn't need to use Kage bunshin in that fight that required him to use so many other jutsu. In a separate fight, he could use KB multiple times because he doesn't have to use RDS or STB or summon Gamabunta

Can you tell me who was alive and who died at the end of that scuffle? Because I believe the person who was alive won that fight.

I never said he cannot use Kage Bunshin. Where did you come up with this? I said he cannot use Kage Bunshin, summon Bunta, use FTG multiple times, and Rasengan and feel comfortable with his chakra levels.