Second strongest Hokage now? or not?

[Penguin]

Minato can use Kage bunshin, and rasengan can be formed in 2 seconds with the ability to destroy anything in its path.

At your other post. Tobirama doesn't have a barrier, he and minato were going to touch the bijudama and teleport with them and die, because they were Edo.

Minato would have used STB if he had two hands

I know Minato can use it, but he wouldn't feel comfortable using it along with Hiraishin, summoning Gama, and Rasengan. His chakra levels wouldn't allow it unless he gets a boost from Kurama.

That is speculation, but since Tobirama has not shown it, I cannot argue it.

Probably.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

But isn't ET classified as help by KH's standards, so that's not helping. Plus it requires prep unless he's more adequate in using it than Orochimaru

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I got a hunch that Oro is more adequate with ET hence perfecting it.

 

[Sir Blades]

Well, we don't know how Tobirama used it, but he has used it in the war as said by Madara. So he should be able to use it in fights. Lol

But Kage Bunshin is more versatile than Rasengan in my opinion. FTG is also more versatile. I think Base Tobirama >= Base Minato actually. The only thing Minato really has on Tobirama are pre-marked kunai.




Yes, but he didn't use it against Obito. That leads me to believe he was unsure of his chakra levels and Kage Bunshin would deplete them after excessive FTG use.

He did lol, but the technique was stopped by Obito. Remember Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula? Yeah that is where he used the Kage Bushin, but you know something like that would not work against a Jinchuriki of that caliber.

 

[Avinash012]

Show me where i stated people are being biased?

In very second line of OP.

Btw Sorry I didn't noticed poll at first or u just added it?

 

[brownbear]

He couldn't fight 20 ninja with a team of 7. Also dan's jutsu isn't kinjutsu. Edo tensei is, thats what he was talking about. Tobirama is the second weakest hokage.

I cant really agree with the second weakest part,but this guy does make some good points

 

[-Spoiler-]

1. So if Tobirama was some master FTG user, why not teleport his squad out of harms way? Because he wasn't that good with it.

2. Kabuto eventually perfected Tobirama Edo Tensei too, for all we know, Tobiramas version sucked ass.

3.He had toad summons, Tobirama didn't. You care for them because edo tensei is a summon, so if you wish to keep saying Tobirama is a beast with them, include summons as power.

4. Really? Tobirama doesn't have a jutsu that he can quickly create in the palm of his hand, teleport, then slam down on his opponent with greater force then Raikages liger bomb. Minato was the only matchup for Obito. Minato created a barrier to hold Kurama down, even if Kushina didn't use chains. Minato also saved the village and Hiruzen from TWO tailed beast bombs. Tobirama could not have down that.

5. Average? Teleporting Kurama, Blocking a Tailed Beast bomb, summoning Game bunts, the biggest toad. fighting Obito, Creating a barrier, Sealing 50% Kurama in himself, then the other in his son, mixing his chakra and kushina in Naruto seal, all in less than maybe two hours? Average? Someone with average chakra, like Kakashi gets tired after three raikiris.

6.Minato still has better reaction times. If Tobirama was so fast, how did Madara get twelve rods into him before he could say uncle?

damn

 

[KingHashirama]

In very second line of OP.

Btw Sorry I didn't noticed poll at first or u just added it?

just added it after reading your post ;p

And , no I asked if people are gonna be biased again, aka have "double standards" and things like that. Your reference to biased was already cleared up on the first page ;p

 

[Penguin]

He did lol, but the technique was stopped by Obito. Remember Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula? Yeah that is where he used the Kage Bushin, but you know something like that would work agains a Jinchuriki of that caliber.

What in the hell is that?

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I got a hunch that Oro is more adequate with ET hence perfecting it.

So Kabuto knows everything about Tobirama?

 

[Fair Warning]

1. Maybe because he didn't have any tags prepared? And he did just teleport the group of shinobi from harms way via FTG =]

2. Tobirama has a fighting style for edo tensei (something Kabuto and oro don't), and that is pretty much all that matters.

3. Nope, I don't count edos as Tobirama's own power just something to help him out. However, i mentioned the edo tensei when it comes to "creation".

4. Quite false, he could've simply slashed the hell out of Obito.......

5. Nice.. cool.... and that puts him at Senju level? no... have his chakra levels been praised? no.. Hes easily below Kushina/Tsunade/Nagato.. let alone Tobirama... a pure elite senju.

6. Rinnegan/SM enhance reactions. Tobirama > Minato in reaction timing. On top of that you are comparing a Tobirama who couldn't bring out his strength.. really? ok buddy.

He teleported Naruto and Minato and I think Hiruzen. Minato teleported the entire Shinobi alliance. And I was referring to his squad of Hiruzen and Danzou. If he was a master Ftg user, he would have tags in Konoha, and been able to teleport them all away. Instead he died :|

And Obito would have used kamui , oops no sword slash.

We haven't seen Tobirama chakra levels fully. Just because he is a senju doesn't mean he has Hashiramas chakra. Sasuke doesn't have Obitos Sharingan, does he?

Minato reacted too a Juubi Obito, multiple times. And didn't end up pinned to the ground by chakra rods

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

It never said it doesn't either. But what did it show?

And also logically Naruto disagrees with bold, by using Kage bunshin.



Show me where i stated people are being biased?

Kage bunshin isn't kinjutsu. More asspulls... Is that all you do?

 

[theacknowledgedone]

So Kabuto knows everything about Tobirama?

Penguin you seriously need to get it together. This is old news....

 

[Element Master]

In literal seriousness, I Believe the Hokage's rankings are
Hiruzen
Hashi
Minato
Tobirama
Tsunade

(I know I Hiruzen troll a lot but Hiruzen is a very skilled shinobi and I think he is the Strongest Hokage)

Hiruzen is the most balanced hokage because he knows a lot but Minato Hashirama and Tobirama all stuck to a mastered and perfected fighting style while Hiruzen Branched out and Became good In Everything

 

[KingHashirama]

Kage bunshin isn't kinjutsu. More asspulls... Is that all you do?

What i was referring to was Tajū Kage Bunshin no Jutsu

 

[Da Best Ever]

1. Nothing to perfect. He simply added on. Kunai seals.. nice adding seals on a paper that Tobirama could've done if he wanted to. Mizing the seals into other seals has no correlation with perfecting FTG.... your claim is not supported by your points here.

2. Only 1 Rasengan he knows. Haven't seen any variants from him. And Tobirama's Edo tensei creation literally takes a dump on that.

3. Toad summons, and i care for them why? good he has toads to help him out when he can't handle things. Nothing to do with being stronger.

4. You sure are highly dellusional. Lets forget Kushina, who was equally responsible for its defeat (Chakra chains), and the village who held the 9-tails off. And no Tobirama would've been done with Obito quite easily actually.

5. Average Kage chakra pool.. get real.

6. Reacting to Jin Obito's blitz speed > reacting to Ay.. Anything else?




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okay your point is??? thatys tobirama's fault if he didt do it thats called innovation, minato thinking to add seals to more kunai is creativeness and innovation

tobirama ftg is too slow to hit obito, tobirama already said minato was faster than him and mianto barely was able to hit obito in time, tobirama cant make that time because he's too slow with his ftg

kushina was also responsible for the kyuubi's defeat but u forget minato was simultaneously fighting obito and the kyuubi while having to think about the village his wife and his newborn child...tobirama would have gotten slaughtered in that situation 1 way he would have failed is he has no way of beating the kyuubi 2 the kyuubi used 2 tbb against minato both were s/t barrier away by minato, tobirama doesnt have s/t barrier and he could probalby dodge with ftg but tbb would have caused damage to the village and the civilians so if tobirama doesnt dodge he is killed if he does he fails as a hokage... u pick

yes minato only has a rasengan but havent thats all he has ever needed and it hasnt failed him yet either, also minato can spam it instantly and can make a much larger one, the spamming it instantly puts him way above naruto who still needs a clone or uses chakra arms to substitute as clones to rotate and contain the violently spinning chakra, tobirama wont be given the chance to use edo tensei in battle and whoever he brings back would be much weaker than they originally were since he didnt make the tech more efficiently, oro surpassed him during the attack against hiruzen he had 2 edo's at 50% of there original power which means tobirama would have had whatever fodder shinobi he would edo power at less than 50% of their power which minato solo's and like i said minato is too fast for tobirama to get that off anyway he will catch a rasengan to the back of his neck just like obito


your getting on minato for having toads to help...tobirama is the scaredy cat of scaredy cats he created ftg because he was a ***** and wanted to catch shinobi off guard rather than fight them head up, then he went on to create edo tensei to help him fight, then he went on to create kage bushin to make more of him so he can have help in a fight...so who is the one who rally needs help???

basic kage level chakra u say??? u dnt knw how much chakra tobirama has so he might have basic kage level chakra as well, and either way most kage has bijuu level chakra so and chakra doesnt matter when your efficient in the use of chakra and jutsu which minato is....


im too damn good

 

[romeboii]

Tobirama, is he officially now the second strongest Hokage now? or no?


Are the feat fans still gonna go on with the same argument? And be biased? Or are we admitting that there is a kind of a big gap between Tobirama and Minato, similar to Hashirama and Hiruzen?




-Shadow clone
-Edo tensei
-Skills on the level of EMS Madara
-HUGE chakra levels
-FTG
-Soul jutsu of Dan (or another soul transfer tech)
-Fighting jounin level ninja since they was kids

Also, if you notice the relationship of Minato and Tobirama is similar to Hiruzen and Hashirama (Not in a student teacher wise, but the roles wise).

Descendant Hokages:
Hiruzen = Strongest ninja of his time, huge scales of jutsu and so on

Minato = Fastest ninja of his time, and a genius in creating and so on


Ancestor Hokages:
Hashirama = Strongest ninja of his time, jutsu on huge scales and so on

Tobirama = Fastest ninja of his time and a genius in creating and so on.
I'm interested on what NB's opinion is on this now?


Hiruzen = Weaker version of Hashirama (not literally , but in a way)

Minato = Weaker version of Tobirama (not literally, but in a way)



I wanna see NB's opinion on this matter now.

i would not say tobirama is stronger then minato we have seen minato do more witj his space tome ninjutsu such as teleport bijuudama and the whole army

 

[roncato]

4th is the strongest, imo. 2nd Hashirama ?

 

[Untamed]

well Tobirama having some jutsu similar to Dan's helps people with the thought of the possible relation between Dan and Minato and Tobirama even. Although , I thought it was a chakra or healing type of jutsu Tobirama was mentioning on using for Sasuke to heal.

 

[Sir Blades]

What in the hell is that?



So Kabuto knows everything about Tobirama?

Its the name of the Jutsu he uses with Kage Bushin and his FTG, he never succeeded in using it against Obito, but against someone else it would have worked lol.

 

[romeboii]

Plus tobirama created a jutsu that he would personally not utilize i doubt he would sacrifice a life on a regular basis to use edo tensie my guess is he created but didnt use it much afterr

 

[Fair Warning]

1 way he would have failed is he has no way of beating the kyuubi 2 the kyuubi used 2 tbb against minato both were s/t barrier away by minato, tobirama doesnt have s/t barrier and he could probalby dodge with ftg but tbb would have caused damage to the village and the civilians so if tobirama doesnt dodge he is killed if he does he fails as a hokage... u pick

^^this, Tobirama would have failed all hard against Obito then