Second strongest Hokage now? or not?

[TheEvilOne]

Minato is the second strongest Hokage at this point.

 

[the last shinobi]

1. Minato perfected Tobiramas FTG, look at space time barrier, kunai seals, mixing the seal into other seals and others chakra.
2. Rasengan and its variants is more versatile and creative than anything Tobirama has created.
3. Toad summons
4. Tobirama could not have defeated Kurama and Obito
5. Massive chakra pool even compared to Tobirama
6. Ten times the reaction time of Tobirama as seen in his fight with Ay where he reacted in base mode to Ays fastest speed

Come at me bro

1) perfected the only thing that we know id that he copied ftg from the second we have no proff that anything that he has done with it upgraded you just assume.

2) resengan another copied move of a tailed beast bomb, and i have not seen many variations from the Minato

4) he was running out of chakra while fighting 16 year old obito while he was controlling the 9 tails i doubt the fight would have gone the same if obito was completely focused on him

50 you have nothing to compare it their reaction time to, only thing that you do have is the second saved the 4th thus him having one arm

 

[2big]

hahis beat madara past self
tobi/close to madara past self who is second strongest.
minito got wooped by ninetails/all arguments
hiruzen you saw hiruzen beat some fodder woopdi doo lmfao

 

[Ababeel]

Base Minato >> Tobirama.

By Feats, hype, and portrayal.

KCM Minato >>>>>>>> Tobirama.

BM Minato >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobirama.

As for the 2nd strongest, it's Hashirama.

 

[YellowFang]

Minato might not be stronger than Tobirama but anytime in a fight, Minato will always have an upper hand...

That's why Minato's my second strongest...


But if I go with just strength... Minato'd even fall short than Hiruzen too

Hashirama
Tobirama
Hiruzen
Minato

 

[YellowFang]

1) perfected the only thing that we know id that he copied ftg from the second we have no proff that anything that he has done with it upgraded you just assume.

2) resengan another copied move of a tailed beast bomb, and i have not seen many variations from the Minato

4) he was running out of chakra while fighting 16 year old obito while he was controlling the 9 tails i doubt the fight would have gone the same if obito was completely focused on him

50 you have nothing to compare it their reaction time to, only thing that you do have is the second saved the 4th thus him having one arm

Man, the thing is the concept behind it...
1- Minato never saw Tobirama using FTG or anyone else, he just picked up the concept and recreated it, developing it more versatile than Tobirama's version...
2- Rasengan copied??? If it was so simple, how come a genius like Minato took three years to take a grasp at the concept that makes up TBB...? Making a TBB is difficult as hell even for Jins...
3- Result'd be same, Tobi wanted to finish it quickly because he wanted Minato out of the equation not to toy with him... Tobi was fully focused on Minato, it was Minato who couldn't concentrate because he had a village been stomped under Kyuubi's feet...
4- If Tobirama had to face such a scenario, he'd be no good...

 

[YellowFang]

One question to you Minato fans, Who's stronger Madara or Minato? I know I'm deviating from the topic a bit but it's relative depending on the answer I get.

Manga states that Minato barely managed to escape a blitz from RS-Obito...
If it's RS-Madara we're talking about, Madara's stronger...

 

[KingHashirama]

just because u say he would have done doesnt meanhe would have..tobirama already said minato was faster and minato barely was able to catch obtio, if minato ftg> tobirama how can tobirama hit obito who minato barely hit...

the crumbling of the building was due to chakra potency and pressure, not the amount thats funny that u even thought that expressed the amount of chakra they had...hiruzen a the age of 69 when he barely had any chakra wa dense enough to cause the shingles on the roof to crumble and the atmosphere pressure to become thick when he faced oro during the chuunin exam

where was tobirama's rinnegan/sm sensing when he was easily countered by a rinnegan and sm sensing..thats logic right there that proves tobirama's sensing=rinnnegan/sm sensing had it he would have not been countered so easily, whats funny is tobirama got shitted on after trying to be sneaky and attack from behind and he still was countered and stomped, and then madara gave him a speech on how tobirama uses that same tactic before and how he was a sneaky coward...if tobirama was so smart why try that same maneuver on a shinobi who basically grew up with u and battle u over the years and who brother u killed using the same series of tactics??? thats shit was dumb as hell

Tobirama said Minato was faster than his current self..a non-full powered Tobirama who couldn't bring out his strength. And this wasn't even about FTG, it was about Shunshin aka foot speed blitz.

Sorry but i suggest you reread that again, it took Orochimaru and Hiruzen to even make a crack on the small part of the roof. It wasn't solely Hiruzen. It was everything to do with chakra amount. Hence why Tobirama mentions to hashirama about "not raising it that high", which has everything to do with amount of chakra he raised.

Don't butt into things without reading the whole convo. Your buddy stated Tobirama's FTG was countered, I stated yes because Madara has Rinnegan + SM sensing. I never stated Tobirama has them now did i.

#TobiramaHateIsStrongWithinYou

lets go feats wise.
In this third shinobi war lets see who accomplished what !!!
1.Hiruzen
just demonstrated he can use all elements
freed naruto from god tree

2.Tobirama
fought with jutbio along side Minato
used some edo tensei improvised jutsu but in vain
helped Minato to take away Micro TBB

3.Minato
saved the ninja alliance twice. once from giant TBB of jubbiii and then 5TBB of god tree.
saved naruto and sasuke
sliced obito's neck
harassed jubio in partnership with tobirama
Lend naruto more chakra to fight.
helped to extract bijjuss from Jubito
still alive and ready to kick ass of madara.

now king hashirama you decide who is more useful

You know what i'm tired of this wanking over "feats", are some you people naive or childish enough to not even understand that feats need specific scenarios to be shown? Or is this just the best way you can wank over your guy's character?

But since you want to talk about feats, lets talk about actualy FEATS:

1. A notable act or deed, especially an act of courage; an exploit.
2. An act of skill, endurance, imagination, or strength; an achievement.


On screen action doesn't = feats. Understand that first ok.

1. Demonstrated he can use 5 elements not every single element. Freed Naruto with the help of King Enma. Don't forget Enma here.

2. Tobirama
- Delivered a blow on Obito via Naruto's rasengan
- Saved Minato/Naruto/Sasuke
- Used the edo tensei explosion to determine that the enemy's defense was strong as hell
- Oh let me not forget the fact he literally put a tag on Jinchuriki Obito when he blitzed them. FASTEST REFLEXES SHOWN.


3. Minato
- Oh don't forget he got saved by Tobirama twice
- I'm not even gonna bother with the other "feats" you mentioned since they have nothing to do with living Minato..
- And also Minato only saved the alliance once, second time it was Naruto + Minato + Kurama.
- Show me that he beat Obito


Yea i'm pretty sure that Tobirama is the second strongest.

 

[ajpn920]

1. Minato
2. I don't care

Flower tree world is overated! Is Hashirama immune to his technique? No! It simply tells that the FTW would not affect the area where the caster is standing. Am I right? or I am right!?lol

Food cart destroyer allows Minato to appear on the top of the target. Its an easy escape mechanism for Minato while attacking at the same time. Simple yet effective! Damm

Future chapters will prove that Minato is stronger than ur fav.

If Madara were to defeat Minato then Naruto dies. Do you think the main character will die? Common sense man

Do you think Madara will allow Minato to perform some ritual transfering the YIN chakra? Madara speed blitz gg

How can Minato transfer the YIN to save Naruto if Madara is in front of him? Remember that there is no FTG mark on Naruto.

Now, if Minato can't transfer the YIN chakra because of Madara then it's obvious that he will fight Madara. And if he fights Madara and Madara defeated him then the main character dies.

I know that there's already a solution running in your mind now. Minato can't be defeated by Madz at this point. He needs his other eye. If Madz can't defeat Minato, then it's obvious that Minato is stronger than the other hokages. plain and simple..just go with the flow..Kishi won't allow Madara to defeat Minato because the main character will die..Minato has the YIN chakra and the YIN chakra is the only way to save Naruto..How hard is this to figure out?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

The power of the Hokage go in order of appearance. Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato. Boom.

 

[joodaa]

NB has spoken I guess second strongest is Minato

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato has put in the biggest shift out of every Hokage this war. He's been the most helpful and has had the biggest contribution out of all the revived Hokage.

And out of all 4 Hokage, Minato is the only who didn't die against Obito. And as of now, Minato and Hiruzen are the last 2 Hokage standing.

 

[xcoyote]

Hiruzen is #1
Hashirama #2,manga has made it pretty clear.

 

[Ababeel]

Minato has put in the biggest shift out of every Hokage this war. He's been the most helpful and has had the biggest contribution out of all the revived Hokage.

And out of all 4 Hokage, Minato and Hashirama are the only who didn't die against Obito. And as of now, Minato and Hiruzen are the last 2 Hokage standing.

Actually, it's only Minato.
Hashirama was blown up via the 4 TBBS with madara inside the barrier.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Actually, it's only Minato.
Hashirama was blown up via the 4 TBBS with madara inside the barrier.

Really, you sure...

Even better then.

People need to understand that Minato is virtually untouchable in battle. With his speed used in conjunction with his FTG, he can get himself out of anything, unless you're the host of the Juubi then it's extremely difficult to hit the guy. And once he marks you, which he most likely will (and the opponent will almost certainly not realize) then you're done (again, unless you're the Juubi Jin).

 

[Bogard]

Are the feat fans still gonna go on with the same argument? And be biased? Or are we admitting that there is a kind of a big gap between Tobirama and Minato, similar to Hashirama and Hiruzen?

The only biased one here is you

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That Minato use better in conjunction with his hiraishin, to the point it baffles Tobirama himself

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-Edo tensei

That Minato can seal with his uncountable and unknown sealing techniques.

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-Skills on the level of EMS Madara

Proof?

-HUGE chakra levels

Proof?

-FTG

That Minato masters better. Besides the greater mobility due to marking, Tobirama's FTG is limited in terms of number

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-Soul jutsu of Dan (or another soul transfer tech)

Edo tensei brings back souls to a living body, you know?

-Fighting jounin level ninja since they was kids

Minato on his own stopped Kumogakure's mission to recover the nine tails at 10yo, baffling even the upcoming Raikage [

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Is that all? Because i'll tell you that Minato still has

1- Rasengan [

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2- An elementary ninjutsu(Kakashi mentioned it)
3- Toad summoning [

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4- Contract seal(that btw stops Tobirama from summoning things like edos) [

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5- Reaper death [

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6- Eight Trigrams Sealing Style [

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7- Four Symbols Seal
8- Rasen senkou chourinbu Kousanshiki [

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9- Space time barrier [

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10- Unique traits chakra transfer ability [

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And he is obviously faster [

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[EZQ]

name an opponent that wou,dnt work against???


also the exlposive tag jutsu is specifically for edo tensei state not him alive

also and minato has more jutsu but what good will they do he cant touch minato

also u must have never played any sport requiring physical contact because if u had u would have known that Speed Kills

- Minato can't do shit against susano users with just rasengan, while Tobirama can do some damage.

- Tobirama can use the edo explosives with his own edo summonings.

- What makes you think tobirama cant touch minato? He is pretty fast too, Minato's sunshin is superior to Tobirama's but their FTG are equals, instant = instant.

- Lmao i play soccer xD

 

[KingHashirama]

The only biased one here is you
That Minato use better in conjunction with his hiraishin, to the point it baffles Tobirama himself

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That Minato can seal with his uncountable and unknown sealing techniques.

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Apparently Kyubi think he can even seal with just one of his arms [

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Proof?
Proof?

That Minato masters better. Besides the greater mobility due to marking, Tobirama's FTG is limited in terms of number

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Edo tensei brings back souls to a living body, you know?

Minato on his own stopped Kumogakure's mission to recover the nine tails at 10yo, baffling even the upcoming Raikage [

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Is that all? Because i'll tell you that Minato still has

1- Rasengan [

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2- An elementary ninjutsu(Kakashi mentioned it)
3- Toad summoning [

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4- Contract seal(that btw stops Tobirama from summoning things like edos) [

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5- Reaper death [

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6- Eight Trigrams Sealing Style [

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7- Four Symbols Seal
8- Rasen senkou chourinbu Kousanshiki [

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9- Space time barrier [

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10- Unique traits chakra transfer ability [

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And he is obviously faster [

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Yes Bogard you are the only unbiased person. .

1. Stop using words that you do not even know the definition of. Tobirama was surprised that Minato was capable of doing that. Baffle isn't the word you should use. ok. Now Tobirama himself has already done that. Him seeing someone else use it with his technique is him being baffled? Nice job buddy.

2. Sealing techs cool good for him. Senju had seals of their own. Now if you believe Tobirama has no sealings that is your choice. And you have complete fun believing that.

3. False there, He never says anything about Minato sealing the Kurama, he tells Gaara to put the other half inside Naruto..

4. Beat MS Izuna , Madara actually commented on his skills being lower then before, and that there is a gap between their skills now. For there to be a gap now, that means there wasn't a big gap before.

5. Senju body to elite, Can't be bound by normal Edo tensei, Breaks walls with just raising his chakra..

6. Yes I mean lets just forget the fact Minato is using Kurama's chakra here.. And everyone else is LINKED to his chakra now.

7. However if it was Edo tensei, it would've been cleared with him saying via edo tensei. And also, he was going to transfer his soul to put CHAKRA back in Sasuke.. not to take over Sasuke's body...

8. Beating a couple of jounins nice.. props to him. Gaara was capable of doing things like that to. Only problem is the gap between the strength of the older generation and the newer generation is quite large.

9. So in the end Minato has the following:

- Rasengan

- Couple of seals (That he never uses in a human fight)

- And FTG variants..

- Elemental jutsu that doesn't exist.

- Summon

- Average Kage level chakrapool

Tobirama:

- Master in Kinjutsu

- Ftg and variants

- Water techniques on a pretty huge scale

- And some Senju seals

- Edo tensei

- Huge chakra pool

- Fastest reaction shown.

 

[Draysen]

Tobirama might not be as quick as Minato but i'm pretty sure if minato teleported behind tobirama, tobirama would sense it

 

[Amaterasuice]

1. Hashirama
2. Bm Minato
3. Hiruzen (hype)
4. Living Minato/Tobirama
5. Old Hiruzen
6. Tsunade

Pretty much how I feel about it. I could be wrong though. The middle three hokage are all debatable and are matter of perspective.