Second strongest Hokage now? or not?

[Bantos]

Hiruzen is just weak. Minato is just a copy or Tobirama with less firepower.
Hashirama and Tobirama are the strongest hokage.

 

[Fair Warning]

Hiruzen is just weak. Minato is just a copy or Tobirama with less firepower.
Hashirama and Tobirama are the strongest hokage.

And whuddabout Tsunade
Hehehe

 

[Bantos]

And whuddabout Tsunade
Hehehe

Beats Hiruzen and can be put in the same skill level as Minato.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@ all of the people that keep claiming Minato is godly because of the versatility of FTG and how Rasengan requires no seals...

Tobirama (in his part 1 weakened Edo form) was able to produce a Water Dragon with one hand seal. Normally it takes 44. Im pretty sure he could easily do other high level water jutsu in no time at all, and considering he can form water from thin air, I'd make a case that he could have hit Obito in a similar manner to Minato.

FTG Slash works as well though.

OT: Hashi
Tobi/Minato
Hiruzen
Tsunade

Given the power scaling difference between part one and two it's not that impressive that he did it with one. Using one seal for techs is pretty common. And given how fast ppl weave seals these days.... It's still impressive though.

Pretty sure he sticks his two front fingers up, thats it.


But I was referring to Rasengan, duh.

Only for ftg v1. V2 he uses no seals.

 

[deadp00l]

No matter what fandom someone belongs to everyone knows KingHashirama is an idiot

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Given the power scaling difference between part one and two it's not that impressive that he did it with one. Using one seal for techs is pretty common. And given how fast ppl weave seals these days.... It's still impressive though.

I agree. Im just saying that just because Minato can use rasengan right after he used FTG against Obito doesn't mean that Tobirama couldn't use a water dragon or water jet in that same amount of time to hit Obito if he were in the same situation as Minato.

 

[roner]

He teleported Naruto and Minato and I think Hiruzen. Minato teleported the entire Shinobi alliance. And I was referring to his squad of Hiruzen and Danzou. If he was a master Ftg user, he would have tags in Konoha, and been able to teleport them all away. Instead he died :|

And Obito would have used kamui , oops no sword slash.

We haven't seen Tobirama chakra levels fully. Just because he is a senju doesn't mean he has Hashiramas chakra. Sasuke doesn't have Obitos Sharingan, does he?

Minato reacted too a Juubi Obito, multiple times. And didn't end up pinned to the ground by chakra rods

lol..if not for the kyuubi chakra..minato cannot teleport the SA..if

 

[Oblivionx]

No matter what fandom someone belongs to everyone knows KingHashirama is an idiot

XD lolz...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I agree. Im just saying that just because Minato can use rasengan right after he used FTG against Obito doesn't mean that Tobirama couldn't use a water dragon or water jet in that same amount of time to hit Obito if he were in the same situation as Minato.

I'm not so sure.
In the times tobirama used ftg blitz for the most part it always required 2-3 scans (1st scan: him teleporting from a to b(at times omitted) ; 2ndscan :him appearing at point b; 3rd scan: him attacking)
Where in minato's case it would be 1 scan or at the most 2 if they show point a. When he attack's it's in the same scan as him appearing.
Combined with the fact that tobiramas techs(at least the water ones you mentioned) still require seals where minato's rasengan doesn't I'm not sure if he can do it as fast in all the situations minato was in.

An example would be how he appeared above maddy in a similar fashion as to how minato struck obito. The window of reaction time was definitively smaller in minato's case(obito couldn't even reactivate his kamui)

 

[Humming]

Tobirama, is he officially now the second strongest Hokage now? or no?


Are the feat fans still gonna go on with the same argument? And be biased? Or are we admitting that there is a kind of a big gap between Tobirama and Minato, similar to Hashirama and Hiruzen?




-Shadow clone
-Edo tensei
-Skills on the level of EMS Madara
-HUGE chakra levels
-FTG
-Soul jutsu of Dan (or another soul transfer tech)
-Fighting jounin level ninja since they was kids

Also, if you notice the relationship of Minato and Tobirama is similar to Hiruzen and Hashirama (Not in a student teacher wise, but the roles wise).

Descendant Hokages:
Hiruzen = Strongest ninja of his time, huge scales of jutsu and so on

Minato = Fastest ninja of his time, and a genius in creating and so on


Ancestor Hokages:
Hashirama = Strongest ninja of his time, jutsu on huge scales and so on

Tobirama = Fastest ninja of his time and a genius in creating and so on.
I'm interested on what NB's opinion is on this now?


Hiruzen = Weaker version of Hashirama (not literally , but in a way)

Minato = Weaker version of Tobirama (not literally, but in a way)



I wanna see NB's opinion on this matter now.

This actually has a fair amount of bias toward Tobirama..You noted Tobirama's more notable techniques, but you failed to even acknowledge Minato's..If you're going for a balanced, fair statement, it would be best to have more of..a comparison. Not saying that I agree or disagree, but it would make for a better argument if you compared their jutsu/abilities, more so than their titles. Eg: God of Shinoboi, Fastest Ninja Alive, etc.

 

[To Whatever]

Even if Tobirama takes Minato, he isn't taking Hiruzen's spot as #2.

But Minato can take Tobirama any day of the week.

Gamabunta undoubtedly packs a stronger Suiton than Tobirama.
Minato has a better FTG usage than Tobirama.
He's faster in reaction speed.

I do see each of them insta-killing each other the moment they slip up and let themselves have a seal place on each other but with Minato merking Tobirama 9/10.

 

[deadp00l]

XD lolz...

it is true, anybody who posts regularly knows about KingHashirama XD

 

[Fresco]

2. Kabuto eventually perfected Tobirama Edo Tensei too, for all we know, Tobiramas version sucked ass.

4. Really? Tobirama doesn't have a jutsu that he can quickly create in the palm of his hand, teleport, then slam down on his opponent with greater force then Raikages liger bomb. Minato was the only matchup for Obito. Minato created a barrier to hold Kurama down, even if Kushina didn't use chains. Minato also saved the village and Hiruzen from TWO tailed beast bombs. Tobirama could not have down that.

5. Average? Teleporting Kurama, Blocking a Tailed Beast bomb, summoning Game bunts, the biggest toad. fighting Obito, Creating a barrier, Sealing 50% Kurama in himself, then the other in his son, mixing his chakra and kushina in Naruto seal, all in less than maybe two hours? Average? Someone with average chakra, like Kakashi gets tired after three raikiris.

6.Minato still has better reaction times. If Tobirama was so fast, how did Madara get twelve rods into him before he could say uncle?

-The way Tobirama utilizes Edo Tensei and the way Orochimaru and Kabuto use them are entirely different. For example. Tobirama uses his to clear battlefields and immobilize opponents all while using low-level shinobi; whereas, Orochimaru and Kabuto bring back high-level shinobi at nearly full potential. The way Tobirama uses them is still effective nonetheless because of their regenerating factor.

-Tobirama can create Suiton quickly given he uses minimal hand seals. There was emphasis on him only using one hand seal to use one of his Suiton technique. Besides, speed is hard to tell with still images, lol.

-Nothing suggests Minato has chakra on the level of a Senju; most of Minato's chakra feats come from Bijuu Mode.

- lol what? Tobirama's superior reaction feats were shown

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when Minato himself couldn't react. Minato also mentions Tobirama is quick to act when he stuck Obito with tags. From what I recall, Minato never touched Obito without the aid of someone else.

Minato reacted too a Juubi Obito, multiple times. And didn't end up pinned to the ground by chakra rods

This is retarded- Madara also implies Tobirama was not even at full power and we know this when Tobirama brings it to Orochimaru's attention. Not to mention Madara's sensing and abilities were augmented by Hashirama's Sage Mode. The link above discredits that first sentence; Tobirama's superior reaction feats were shown in the panels I linked.

The poll says Minato is clearly 2nd strongest hokage. If you have faith in your polls result then bow down and accept Minato is the stronger than Tobirama. If you are still in denial then stop making polls in your next thread.

I don't think you know the definition of "clearly" when the poll is separated by two points (the last time I checked)

where was tobirama's rinnegan/sm sensing when he was easily countered by a rinnegan and sm sensing..thats logic right there that proves tobirama's sensing=rinnnegan/sm sensing had it he would have not been countered so easily, whats funny is tobirama got shitted on after trying to be sneaky and attack from behind and he still was countered and stomped, and then madara gave him a speech on how tobirama uses that same tactic before and how he was a sneaky coward...if tobirama was so smart why try that same maneuver on a shinobi who basically grew up with u and battle u over the years and who brother u killed using the same series of tactics??? thats shit was dumb as hell

@bold: Madara mentions the same page that Tobirama isn't his regular self; Madara was aided by Hashi's Sage Mode as well. I feel like I'm repeating myself now. Bro, don't try and argue that Tobirama is not smart or that Minato is smarter lol

No matter what fandom someone belongs to everyone knows KingHashirama is an idiot

Tbh, I respect his opinion a lot more than I respect other people's, including you. I've seen him since I joined in 2012 and I've noticed that he doesn't talk shit nearly as much as people talk shit about him.

The arguments I see suck ass when they're contradicted by what the manga has shown and implied and what the characters themselves have stated.

 

[~Nemesis~]

One question to you Minato fans, Who's stronger Madara or Minato? I know I'm deviating from the topic a bit but it's relative depending on the answer I get.

 

[Gold Lightning]

One question to you Minato fans, Who's stronger Madara or Minato? I know I'm deviating from the topic a bit but it's relative depending on the answer I get.

Madara of course

 

[Oblivionx]

One question to you Minato fans, Who's stronger Madara or Minato? I know I'm deviating from the topic a bit but it's relative depending on the answer I get.

here's your answer...!

Madara of course

he's the jubi's jin although pre jin madara against full powered BM Minato is a different story...!

 

[BodyFlicker]

Genious born in centuries
Upgraded ftg
high lvl seals
BM
reflexes (greater then tobirama)........etc

so yondaime takes this............

 

[BodyFlicker]

One question to you Minato fans, Who's stronger Madara or Minato? I know I'm deviating from the topic a bit but it's relative depending on the answer I get.

Minato<= Madara........

 

[Imperius]

Should something like this still be debated? It has been hinted many times already that Hashirama is the strongest. Just because Tobirama does a jutsu that we simply haven't seen him do before doesn't make him automatically stronger.

Orochimaru literally couldn't control Hashirama because of how powerful he was, while he could control Tobirama.

 

[Touken]

Should something like this still be debated? It has been hinted many times already that Hashirama is the strongest. Just because Tobirama does a jutsu that we simply haven't seen him do before doesn't make him automatically stronger.

Orochimaru literally couldn't control Hashirama because of how powerful he was, while he could control Tobirama.

He needed Hashirama's cells to strengthen the binding to stop Tobirama from leaving. If he didn't have a Zetsu body, the outcome would have been different.