Second strongest Hokage now? or not?

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

You're not even stupid atm....you took a he say she say and added it to his feat....LOL!

Sasuke can use sage mode then I guess, he can also use rasengan too...give it a rest.

My answer is no, that ghost thing isn't even a feat, its basically just like that fodder sound girl and Ino, which is useless if you have FTG, enton, anything fast basically.

Hashriama (hype wise)
Minato (no BM)
Tobirama/The third
Tsunade

 

[Joker]

I honestly think it's a mistranslation. The Viz should clear things up though.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Tobirama, is he officially now the second strongest Hokage now? or no?


Are the feat fans still gonna go on with the same argument? And be biased? Or are we admitting that there is a kind of a big gap between Tobirama and Minato, similar to Hashirama and Hiruzen?




-Shadow clone
-Edo tensei
-Skills on the level of EMS Madara
-HUGE chakra levels
-FTG
-Soul jutsu of Dan
-Fighting jounin level ninja since they was kids

Also, if you notice the relationship of Minato and Tobirama is similar to Hiruzen and Hashirama (Not in a student teacher wise, but the roles wise).

Descendant Hokages:
Hiruzen = Strongest ninja of his time, huge scales of jutsu and so on

Minato = Fastest ninja of his time, and a genius in creating and so on


Ancestor Hokages:
Hashirama = Strongest ninja of his time, jutsu on huge scales and so on

Tobirama = Fastest ninja of his time and a genius in creating and so on.
I'm interested on what NB's opinion is on this now?


Hiruzen = Weaker version of Hashirama (not literally , but in a way)

Minato = Weaker version of Tobirama (not literally, but in a way)



I wanna see NB's opinion on this matter now.

how is minato a weaker version of tobirama??? both of their main jutsu is ftg there is only 2 ways to get better at ftg 1 is being faster 2 is using it more efficiently both which minato does...tobirama already said minato was faster than him, spped kill, tobirama has ccreated a lot of jutsu that are used with the current jutsu and he is a genius but minato is better than him since only times tobirama has used ftg is coming directly behind 1 time he killed his opponent and the 2nd time he got stomped, minato is very creative and has countering speed without using ftg like when he bee attack him with the tentacle from behind and he just dodged it...

tobirama can use some water dragon jutsu has a slow ftg and kagebushin and a exploding tag jutsu, minato has ftg the best ftg and s/t barrier and summonig frog jutsu small to gamabunta and created a s-rank jutsu rasengan and can spam it instantly, one of the fastest base shinobi, might as well have sage mode level senses since he seems to be able to see shit coming and rds and is probably one of the smartest shinobi ever proof of that is he figured out the mechanics behind obito's kamui within mere moments and countered it following that while it took several high level so called geniuses years(itachi) who still had no answer for obito but vice versa as well and it took naruto, kakashi, guy, the kage's, and damn near every shinobi obito has ever contacted to finally hit him when the manga is near its end and only 2 minato did it once and damn near killed obito and made him flee...


whether u want to admit it or not minato is better than tobirama, i knw tobirama is badass and he's hashirama brother and a senju and looks cool and has that badass demeanor but minato is better than him tobirama would never be able to hit minato if they would ever fight

 

[KingHashirama]

He couldn't fight 20 ninja with a team of 7. Also dan's jutsu isn't kinjutsu. Edo tensei is, thats what he was talking about. Tobirama is the second weakest hokage.

Edo tensei can't transfer souls like that.

Kinjutsu = forbidden jutsu,

Dan's jutsu has not been classified. Tho LOGICALLY, it would be a kinjutsu since it posses a great danger to the body of the user.

 

[Zaney]

Due to the debate right now undermining a SENJUS chakra pools is kinda funny.
On chakra pools
Tobirama > Minato.

On skill and combat abilities due to current Manga Facts.
I'd say that Minato would be the stronger fighter of them two.
Due to the fact of Minato's perfection of tobiramas Justus.
Tobirama, was more of the researcher type unlike his brother Hashi.

Minato > Tobirama (but by how much IDK)

 

[patrickscott]

No not yet.............naw I'm kidding he's definitely second strongest, anyone ignoring that at this point is just ignorant, or a fanboy or a troll.

 

[KingHashirama]

Due to the debate right now undermining a SENJUS chakra pools is kinda funny.
On chakra pools
Tobirama > Minato.

On skill and combat abilities due to current Manga Facts.
I'd say that Minato would be the stronger fighter of them two.
Due to the fact of Minato's perfection of tobiramas Justus.
Tobirama, was more of the researcher type unlike his brother Hashi.

Minato > Tobirama (but by how much IDK)

Minato hasn't really shown skills or combat abilities, besides rasengan or ftg with a kunai....

Ftg was already perfect.. Minato simply added on to it... rofl.

 

[Penguin]

1. Minato perfected Tobiramas FTG, look at space time barrier, kunai seals, mixing the seal into other seals and others chakra.
2. Rasengan and its variants is more versatile and creative than anything Tobirama has created.
3. Toad summons
4. Tobirama could not have defeated Kurama and Obito
5. Massive chakra pool even compared to Tobirama
6. Ten times the reaction time of Tobirama as seen in his fight with Ay where he reacted in base mode to Ays fastest speed

Come at me bro

It his highly debatable whether or not Tobirama has FTG Barrier hence he was about to teleport a Juubidama. Tobirama also marked his sword in his Izuna fight as seen when he used Hiraishingiri. Kage Bunshin or Edo Tensei are easily more versatile than Rasengan. Tobirama has more chakra than base Minato. Minato KCM and Tobirama have similar reaction speed as seen via Goshun Mawashi. Base Minato = Base Tobirama in my opinion.

4th strongest imo

Quit trolling. :|

 

[elsepa]

No doubt, minato tards can't deal with it...

 

[Joker]

It his highly debatable whether or not Tobirama has FTG Barrier hence he was about to teleport a Juubidama. Tobirama also marked his sword in his Izuna fight as seen when he used Hiraishingiri. Kage Bunshin or Edo Tensei are easily more versatile than Rasengan. Tobirama has more chakra than base Minato. Minato KCM and Tobirama have similar reaction speed as seen via Goshun Mawashi.



Quit trolling. :|

But isn't ET classified as help by KH's standards, so that's not helping. Plus it requires prep unless he's more adequate in using it than Orochimaru

 

[Fair Warning]

1. Nothing to perfect. He simply added on. Kunai seals.. nice adding seals on a paper that Tobirama could've done if he wanted to. Mizing the seals into other seals has no correlation with perfecting FTG.... your claim is not supported by your points here.

2. Only 1 Rasengan he knows. Haven't seen any variants from him. And Tobirama's Edo tensei creation literally takes a dump on that.

3. Toad summons, and i care for them why? good he has toads to help him out when he can't handle things. Nothing to do with being stronger.

4. You sure are highly dellusional. Lets forget Kushina, who was equally responsible for its defeat (Chakra chains), and the village who held the 9-tails off. And no Tobirama would've been done with Obito quite easily actually.

5. Average Kage chakra pool.. get real.

6. Reacting to Jin Obito's blitz speed > reacting to Ay.. Anything else?

1. So if Tobirama was some master FTG user, why not teleport his squad out of harms way? Because he wasn't that good with it.

2. Kabuto eventually perfected Tobirama Edo Tensei too, for all we know, Tobiramas version sucked ass.

3.He had toad summons, Tobirama didn't. You care for them because edo tensei is a summon, so if you wish to keep saying Tobirama is a beast with them, include summons as power.

4. Really? Tobirama doesn't have a jutsu that he can quickly create in the palm of his hand, teleport, then slam down on his opponent with greater force then Raikages liger bomb. Minato was the only matchup for Obito. Minato created a barrier to hold Kurama down, even if Kushina didn't use chains. Minato also saved the village and Hiruzen from TWO tailed beast bombs. Tobirama could not have down that.

5. Average? Teleporting Kurama, Blocking a Tailed Beast bomb, summoning Game bunts, the biggest toad. fighting Obito, Creating a barrier, Sealing 50% Kurama in himself, then the other in his son, mixing his chakra and kushina in Naruto seal, all in less than maybe two hours? Average? Someone with average chakra, like Kakashi gets tired after three raikiris.

6.Minato still has better reaction times. If Tobirama was so fast, how did Madara get twelve rods into him before he could say uncle?

 

[Sir Blades]

It his highly debatable whether or not Tobirama has FTG Barrier hence he was about to teleport a Juubidama. Tobirama also marked his sword in his Izuna fight as seen when he used Hiraishingiri. Kage Bunshin or Edo Tensei are easily more versatile than Rasengan. Tobirama has more chakra than base Minato. Minato KCM and Tobirama have similar reaction speed as seen via Goshun Mawashi. Base Minato = Base Tobirama in my opinion.



Quit trolling. :|

I agree Base Minato= Base Tobirama.
Minato also has Kage bushin.

 

[Penguin]

But isn't ET classified as help by KH's standards, so that's not helping. Plus it requires prep unless he's more adequate in using it than Orochimaru

Well, we don't know how Tobirama used it, but he has used it in the war as said by Madara. So he should be able to use it in fights. Lol

But Kage Bunshin is more versatile than Rasengan in my opinion. FTG is also more versatile. I think Base Tobirama >= Base Minato actually. The only thing Minato really has on Tobirama are pre-marked kunai.

I agree Base Minato= Base Tobirama.
Minato also has Kage bushin.

Yes, but he didn't use it against Obito. That leads me to believe he was unsure of his chakra levels and Kage Bunshin would deplete them after excessive FTG use.

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

Edo tensei can't transfer souls like that.

Kinjutsu = forbidden jutsu,

Dan's jutsu has not been classified. Tho LOGICALLY, it would be a kinjutsu since it posses a great danger to the body of the user.

You just pulled that out of your ass. It never says that it poses great danger to the body of the user. But it was Dan's main Justu that he used frequently. LOGICALLY you don't use kinjutsu all the time. Since kinjutsu = forbidden jutsu.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. So if Tobirama was some master FTG user, why not teleport his squad out of harms way? Because he wasn't that good with it.

2. Kabuto eventually perfected Tobirama Edo Tensei too, for all we know, Tobiramas version sucked ass.

3.He had toad summons, Tobirama didn't. You care for them because edo tensei is a summon, so if you wish to keep saying Tobirama is a beast with them, include summons as power.

4. Really? Tobirama doesn't have a jutsu that he can quickly create in the palm of his hand, teleport, then slam down on his opponent with greater force then Raikages liger bomb. Minato was the only matchup for Obito. Minato created a barrier to hold Kurama down, even if Kushina didn't use chains. Minato also saved the village and Hiruzen from TWO tailed beast bombs. Tobirama could not have down that.

5. Average? Teleporting Kurama, Blocking a Tailed Beast bomb, summoning Game bunts, the biggest toad. fighting Obito, Creating a barrier, Sealing 50% Kurama in himself, then the other in his son, mixing his chakra and kushina in Naruto seal, all in less than maybe two hours? Average? Someone with average chakra, like Kakashi gets tired after three raikiris.

6.Minato still has better reaction times. If Tobirama was so fast, how did Madara get twelve rods into him before he could say uncle?

1. Maybe because he didn't have any tags prepared? And he did just teleport the group of shinobi from harms way via FTG =]

2. Tobirama has a fighting style for edo tensei (something Kabuto and oro don't), and that is pretty much all that matters.

3. Nope, I don't count edos as Tobirama's own power just something to help him out. However, i mentioned the edo tensei when it comes to "creation".

4. Quite false, he could've simply slashed the hell out of Obito.......

5. Nice.. cool.... and that puts him at Senju level? no... have his chakra levels been praised? no.. Hes easily below Kushina/Tsunade/Nagato.. let alone Tobirama... a pure elite senju.

6. Rinnegan/SM enhance reactions. Tobirama > Minato in reaction timing. On top of that you are comparing a Tobirama who couldn't bring out his strength.. really? ok buddy.

 

[Fair Warning]

Well, we don't know how Tobirama used it, but he has used it in the war as said by Madara. So he should be able to use it in fights. Lol

But Kage Bunshin is more versatile than Rasengan in my opinion. FTG is also more versatile. I think Base Tobirama >= Base Minato actually. The only thing Minato really has on Tobirama are pre-marked kunai.

Minato can use Kage bunshin, and rasengan can be formed in 2 seconds with the ability to destroy anything in its path.

At your other post. Tobirama doesn't have a barrier, he and minato were going to touch the bijudama and teleport with them and die, because they were Edo.

Minato would have used STB if he had two hands

 

[Avinash012]

People are being biased because they are against ur opinion? Why don't u put a poll up there and see for yourself whether it is u or the others?

 

[Naijakid]

Hmmmm.......I agree with KH

 

[CDT23]

Are you sure?

Sort of. Madara was said to be equal by his brother Izuna. Izuna had MS. Tobirama> MS so that would put him as =/< EMS

 

[KingHashirama]

You just pulled that out of your ass. It never says that it poses great danger to the body of the user. But it was Dan's main Justu that he used frequently. LOGICALLY you don't use kinjutsu all the time. Since kinjutsu = forbidden jutsu.

It never said it doesn't either. But what did it show?

And also logically Naruto disagrees with bold, by using Kage bunshin.

People are being biased because they are against ur opinion? Why don't u put a poll up there and see for yourself whether it is u or the others?

Show me where i stated people are being biased?