Sasori & Deidara vs Itachi & Kisame

[HNIC]

Huh? Sakura was able to analyze Sasori's method....you're doubting Itachi would be able to do similarly?

@ Bold: As regards my point with the scans, essentially you're saying:

-> Hiruko > Susano'o
-> Sasori > Amatearasu
-> Sharingan preceptive abilitiy means nothing
-> Itachi cannot cover Kisame in Susano'o

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I dont think you read the thread

1) Amatearasu was restricted

 

[Prince Charles]

Hopefully you do better on your test than you do at debating lol

"r.i.p" what exactly? the first have were images and the second was hype regarding Itachi.

Good Luck =D

Oh lord... Don't doubt my skills nigga.. dont try me..

 

[KingHashirama]

Eyes and body > Art.

 

[blazekev90]

Huh? Sakura was able to analyze Sasori's method....you're doubting Itachi would be able to do similarly?

@ Bold: As regards my point with the scans, essentially you're saying:

-> Hiruko > Susano'o
-> Sasori > Amatearasu
-> Sharingan preceptive abilitiy means nothing
-> Itachi cannot cover Kisame in Susano'o

...?


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Susanoo is one dimensional. While it is the better defense, it has no 360 defense. Iron Sand is a threat. As well as major bombs. Having to shield Kisame will be added stress.

Yes, i am aware of the abilities the sharingan grants. But how is this defeating either Sasori or Deidara, let along helping Kisame?

I think youre underestumating the combined power of the art duo. Sasori has intelligence comparable to Itachi, honestly i see your post being hopeful in Itachi being the one to counter everything, not consdiering his stamina (no big deal here) and having to counteract the artist duo.

I like Kisame, but Deidara has his number. Also, looking at the location i see Sasori using Iron Sand to his advantage.

 

[HNIC]

Oh lord... Don't doubt my skills nigga.. dont try me..

son I'm not worried about you, go do your test. It's not about doubting anyone lol

 

[TheTailedSage]

Team 2.

Given their respective fighting styles, it's highly likely that they would engage in CQC in the earlier parts of the battle....Sasori naturally being within Hiruko. Deidara would likely be the first to resort to his Doton clay Ninjutsu but it really isn't a threat and could be countered in various ways by both Itachi and Kisame. In terms of Sasori, I'll allow the Manga to explain:

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Now Deidara being a long range fighter and being within his nature he would adjust to a long range fighting style with the C2 Dragon and from thence forth engage from the skies. If Deidara does make such an attempt it is countered by Itachi's Karasu and Karasu bunshin as not only are they greater in quantity but remain more agile. Itachi could simply utilize them to remove the necessary portions; allowing it to fall. In doing so Itachi may also give Kisame aerial ability but elevating him with the Karasu; thus allowing them both to reach Deidara. Any offences during that time are negated by Susanoo's Defenses and Kisame's Suiton Jutsu. Deidara's Knowledge on Itachi's jutsu remains subpar and insufficient as for Sasori there is none; which already secures Hiruko being incapacitated by Susano'o if he attempts to engage Hand-to-Hand combat with Itachi. Hiruko's poison needles aren't of no threat to Kisame either as the Sharingan naturally certain employs rudimentary abilities within the user [

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]. Kisame allots a terrain advantage after employing Suiton: Bakusui Shōha meaning that he would be able to attack from both above and beneath the surface. Itachi could potentially one shot Sasori with Amatearsu as he surfaces from Hiruko or at any point following through the battle as well as ending Deidara with Tsukuyomi as they have no method to prohibit the said jutsu's if pitted against it. Iron Sand isn't breaching Susano'o and as it is earthen Iron particles manipulated by chakra to used as an offence or defense...Samehada would instantaneously absorb this chakra if it comes into contact with the sword. It also means that any weapon formed with the 'Iron Sand' would fritter away as it comes into contact with the Katana. None of Sasori's puppets are getting passed Susano'o version 1, much less a Complete Susano'o' and would all be severed by the Totsuka katana or Kisame's Shark bunshin emerging from beneath the surface. Sasori taking to the skies with the sand suffers the same fate as Deidara with the C2 Dragon, Amaterasu being his end point. As the Sharingan enables it's wielder to identify charka color, C4 Garuda is countered by Susano'o. Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu would finish both, Izanami would also one shot the remainder of the two. Deidara is initially at a disadvantage as he carries a specific portion of clay at all times and only points toward team 1 inevitably loosing. They are simply over powered and lacks jutsu sufficient to counter their opponents arsenal.






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Interesting counter but you fail to see that amatarasu is restricted.

A few things i want to point out:

- How is crow clones helping kisame to elevate?? Do you realize that itachi can make at max maybe 2 crow clones? Kisame would wind up lookinng like this.

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Dat struggle.

Hiruko's poison needles aren't of no threat to Kisame either as the Sharingan naturally certain employs rudimentary abilities within the user

Why are we talking about sharingan for Kisame?? of course you mean itachi and even then you fail to realise that Deidaras bombs can compensate for any assist sasori may need. Its all good and well figuring out Sasoris movements but if he's being distracted by incoming projectile bombs then the distraction is what then puts sasori back in the advantage.

You even said yourself that Itachi has little to no knowledge on the two based on what we know of the manga. Well Itachis first step into most battles is Genjutsu, he going to wonder why its not affecting Sasori and when he uses it he will expect sasori to become unconscious and may even let down his guard because of his assumption. Its rarely in itachis character to abuse the Use of MS techs unless he absolutely has to and with that in mind he's not bring out susano'o straight away. He will start with trying gen like i said.

- Deidaras C2 bombs have the ability to be more accurate when perusing the target and has shown more precision when it comes to projectiles. their size is what makes them even more agile and evasive unlike Water shark.

-If itachi decides to coat Kisame in susano'o then he leaves himself vulnerable, if you mean they are both inside susano'o together is false to assume that their movements are synchronous to the point where they move exactly like each other in order to stay inside susano'o properly.

With your sasori Argument pretty much irrelavant due to ammy being restricted its fair to say Sasori isnt going to get wiped out so easily by itachi, especially with Deidara present.

-Genjutsu has a certain range in which it works in, saying it will reach deidara airborne is wrong to assume. and Because deidara at least knwos about the uchiha eyes and how they work his most sensible option is to stay a reasonable distance away from itachi.

Why is your font so damn small!!!!!! its so irritating to read make it bigger :T i would counter the rest but i though ti would point out certain things. Sorry for no scans but like i said its like 1am. Anyway ive read what peopel have said in the past 10 minutes and have summed up what i would say anyway.

 

[Draegod]

Don't Know what DaFuq is going on here, But I have too much to do lately to Destroy any noobs opinions off the top of the dome (A fresh strategy Instantly for the slow nerds). I'll Just let everyone have there fun on this topic.

 

[HNIC]

Don't Know what DaFuq is going on here, But I have too much to do lately to Destroy any noobs opinions off the top of the dome (A fresh strategy Instantly for the slow nerds). I'll Just let everyone have there fun on this topic.

ok, but who wins??

 

[TheTailedSage]

Don't Know what DaFuq is going on here, But I have too much to do lately to Destroy any noobs opinions off the top of the dome (A fresh strategy Instantly for the slow nerds). I'll Just let everyone have there fun on this topic.

By noobs who are you referring to??? who do you think wins?

 

[Draegod]

My opinion on the topic is useless if Im not participating. Just know what ever I would of stated is far different then anyone has stated so far. I just have so much to deal with in real life I couldn't get really into the topic. Family first Kiddo's! **Peace**

 

[blazekev90]

My opinion on the topic is useless if Im not participating. Just know what ever I would of stated is far different then anyone has stated so far. I just have so much to deal with in real life I couldn't get really into the topic. Family first Kiddo's! **Peace**

Im disappointed Dra lmao

Ma nigga ma nigga

 

[TheTailedSage]

My opinion on the topic is useless if Im not participating. Just know what ever I would of stated is far different then anyone has stated so far. I just have so much to deal with in real life I couldn't get really into the topic. Family first Kiddo's! **Peace**

Then with all due respect what was the point of you commenting... and Rl comes first.

 

[Tartarus]

Don't Know what DaFuq is going on here, But I have too much to do lately to Destroy any noobs opinions off the top of the dome (A fresh strategy Instantly for the slow nerds). I'll Just let everyone have there fun on this topic.

join the fun, we rarely get a Vs thread where everyone is this involved, but I know what you mean, I'm in the middle of studying. The only reason I was able to comment was because I already had a leftover response from an earlier thread

 

[Waltz]

Susanoo is one dimensional. While it is the better defense, it has no 360 defense. Iron Sand is a threat. As well as major bombs. Having to shield Kisame will be added stress.

Yes, i am aware of the abilities the sharingan grants. But how is this defeating either Sasori or Deidara, let along helping Kisame?

I think youre underestumating the combined power of the art duo. Sasori has intelligence comparable to Itachi, honestly i see your post being hopeful in Itachi being the one to counter everything, not consdiering his stamina (no big deal here) and having to counteract the artist duo.

I like Kisame, but Deidara has his number. Also, looking at the location i see Sasori using Iron Sand to his advantage.

[The sharingan can decipher chakra color, meaning that if the Kazekage was manipulating the earth beneath Itachi's standing point it would be recognized. Deidara's 'major bombs' do not rival Kirin save C3 which leads into subjectivity as he naturally wouldn't utilize the jutsu without precise battle conditions and in any case Daikōdan negates it. How you ask? for starters Itachi could recognize Sasori's heart within Hiruko and finish him with the Totsuka initially. I'm aware of Sasori's intellect but though somewhat comparable, it remains inferior to Itachi's. Tsukuyomi is the only element of Itachi's Douryoku Sasori naturally counters while Itachi maintains the jutsu necessary to triumph Sasori. His stamina isn't a problem if he can be restored by Samehada and it is moot to say that the opposing team would push Itachi [singularly] to his limits with other critical variables to consider such as the illegibility factor and Deidara's limit on clay and chakra. Inevitably, team one still loses for reasons I've already mentioned. ​

 

[Draegod]

Im disappointed Dra lmao

Ma nigga ma nigga

Bro whats Goodie Mob!!! (that means hey Pal' to the young nerds out there). I got you next time! This Weeknd I have a crazy topic Ima unleash never before done!

Then with all due respect what was the point of you commenting... and Rl comes first.

On phone and during past time I have free time before i have to do anything or move and such. Just here, Instagram, DN, Facebook anything that would keep me from being bored.

join the fun, we rarely get a Vs thread where everyone is this involved, but I know what you mean, I'm in the middle of studying. The only reason I was able to comment was because I already had a leftover response from an earlier thread

I wish i could Bruh, but dont have the time would like to really go in and comment to others post using manga scans from where I am. But yea next time I will most def join the fun, just save me a spot next time!!! lol

 

[TheTailedSage]

On phone and during past time I have free time before i have to do anything or move and such. Just here, Instagram, DN, Facebook anything that would keep me from being bored.

Understandable, well at least share who you think wins if your going to comment, it would be your opinion, you don't have to debate.

 

[blazekev90]

[The sharingan can decipher chakra color, meaning that if the Kazekage was manipulating the earth beneath Itachi's standing point it would be recognized. Deidara's 'major bombs' do not rival Kirin save C3 which leads into subjectivity as he naturally wouldn't utilize the jutsu without precise battle conditions and in any case Daikōdan negates it. How you ask? for starters Itachi could recognize Sasori's heart within Hiruko and finish him with the Totsuka initially. I'm aware of Sasori's intellect but though somewhat comparable, it remains inferior to Itachi's. Tsukuyomi is the only element of Itachi's Douryoku Sasori naturally counters while Itachi maintains the jutsu necessary to triumph Sasori. His stamina isn't a problem if he can be restored by Samehada and it is moot to say that the opposing team would push Itachi [singularly] to his limits with other critical variables to consider such as the illegibility factor and Deidara's limit on clay and chakra. Inevitably, team one still loses for reasons I've already mentioned. ​

Itachi being able to see the Kazekage's manpiulation is his benefit, but again where does this leave Kisame.

Kirin was a frontal attack, but Deidara and Sasori can attack fron varies angles. Itachi finding in Susnaoo the entire time isnt helping.

Itacho would first have to activate Susnaoo, Sasori can easily block any blows from Susnaoo w/ iron sand. Sand cant be sealed. Also. Deidara is able to have a spare brird for Sasori to use, he has done this before.

Also no major bombs rival Kirin? I hope yiure talking about speed

Deidara had no limitation against Sasuke, so idk what limitatiin youre referring to.


Itachi using Susnaoo =/ victoty
Deidara already counters genjutsu w/ distance but on top of that has seeb through genjutsu and has used clones.

Team 1 mid diff

 

[Waltz]

Interesting counter but you fail to see that amatarasu is restricted.

A few things i want to point out:

- How is crow clones helping kisame to elevate?? Do you realize that itachi can make at max maybe 2 crow clones? Kisame would wind up lookinng like this.

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Dat struggle.



Why are we talking about sharingan for Kisame?? of course you mean itachi and even then you fail to realise that Deidaras bombs can compensate for any assist sasori may need. Its all good and well figuring out Sasoris movements but if he's being distracted by incoming projectile bombs then the distraction is what then puts sasori back in the advantage.

You even said yourself that Itachi has little to no knowledge on the two based on what we know of the manga. Well Itachis first step into most battles is Genjutsu, he going to wonder why its not affecting Sasori and when he uses it he will expect sasori to become unconscious and may even let down his guard because of his assumption. Its rarely in itachis character to abuse the Use of MS techs unless he absolutely has to and with that in mind he's not bring out susano'o straight away. He will start with trying gen like i said.

- Deidaras C2 bombs have the ability to be more accurate when perusing the target and has shown more precision when it comes to projectiles. their size is what makes them even more agile and evasive unlike Water shark.

-If itachi decides to coat Kisame in susano'o then he leaves himself vulnerable, if you mean they are both inside susano'o together is false to assume that their movements are synchronous to the point where they move exactly like each other in order to stay inside susano'o properly.

With your sasori Argument pretty much irrelavant due to ammy being restricted its fair to say Sasori isnt going to get wiped out so easily by itachi, especially with Deidara present.

-Genjutsu has a certain range in which it works in, saying it will reach deidara airborne is wrong to assume. and Because deidara at least knwos about the uchiha eyes and how they work his most sensible option is to stay a reasonable distance away from itachi.

Why is your font so damn small!!!!!! its so irritating to read make it bigger :T i would counter the rest but i though ti would point out certain things. Sorry for no scans but like i said its like 1am. Anyway ive read what peopel have said in the past 10 minutes and have summed up what i would say anyway.

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@ Underlined: As Kisame does for Itachi.

@ Red: Ah, no. Itachi's first approach to any battle is Taijutsu within CQC and is often used jointly with Tsukuyomi if a precise moment arises. Itachi does not need to 'wonder' anything as the sharingan would initially allow him to peer into Sasori's composition and realize it lacks a brain; similarly as to how Sasuke was able to peer into his own circulatory system. Even if your assertion was true the moment he attempts to manipulate chakra flowing to the cerebrum he would realize none exists in Sasori.

@ Purple: Itachi remains with Susanoo's rib cage and coats Kisame in Susano'o when necessary; that is what was stated and canonically referenced.

@ Green: Bold is subjective and you're wrong; recalling that Deidara made amends to his eye in order to counter Itachi's 3 tomoe-Genjutsu would be sufficient to discard the silly notion that he would be keeping distance for that reason.

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@BlazeKev90: Hence why it is all subjective to the preceding dilemmas. Kisame could have been performing jutsu, however Itachi still protects him with Susano'o. Totsuka no Tsurugi can seal non living things as well, including Iron sand. It is highlighted in the fact that it sealed the dead shinobi's body which was hosting Nagato's soul. Iron Sand cannot protect Sasori from Susano'o and he's inevitably sealed.

Deidara produced bombs sides C3 which could rival Kirin's destructive ability? Link me.

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You actually believe Deidara is able to counter Itachi's caliber of Genjutsu; specifically Tsukuyomi? You spew this even after he was caught in standard Sharingan Genjutsu.
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[Zexion~]

They are microscopic clumps of clay, regardless of whether they travel on air or not (which they do don't know why you don't want to believe this and actually i think there is a scan to prove this) They would dissolve once they hit the water due to how small they are ._.

Kisame>>C4

 

[HNIC]

They are microscopic clumps of clay, regardless of whether they travel on air or not (which they do don't know why you don't want to believe this and actually i think there is a scan to prove this) They would dissolve once they hit the water due to how small they are ._.

Kisame>>C4

you still don't seem to understand.