Sasori & Deidara vs Itachi & Kisame

[TheTailedSage]

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@ Underlined: As Kisame does for Itachi.

@ Red: Ah, no. Itachi's first approach to any battle is Taijutsu within CQC and is often used jointly with Tsukuyomi if a precise moment arises. Itachi does not need to 'wonder' anything as the sharingan would initially allow him to peer into Sasori's composition and realize it lacks a brain; similarly as to how Sasuke was able to peer into his own circulatory system. Even if your assertion was true the moment he attempts to manipulate chakra flowing to the cerebrum he would realize none exists in Sasori.

@ Purple: Itachi remains with Susanoo's rib cage and coats Kisame in Susano'o when necessary; that is what was stated and canonically referenced.

@ Green: Bold is subjective and you're wrong; recalling that Deidara made amends to his eye in order to counter Itachi's 3 tomoe-Genjutsu would be sufficient to discard the silly notion that he would be keeping distance for that reason.

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@BlazeKev90: Hence why it is all subjective to the preceding dilemmas. Kisame could have been performing jutsu, however Itachi still protects him with Susano'o. Totsuka no Tsurugi can seal non living things as well, including Iron sand. It is highlighted in the fact that it sealed the dead shinobi's body which was hosting Nagato's soul. Iron Sand cannot protect Sasori from Susano'o and he's inevitably sealed.

Deidara produced bombs sides C3 which could rival Kirin's destructive ability? Link me.

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You actually believe Deidara is able to counter Itachi's caliber of Genjutsu; specifically Tsukuyomi? You spew this even after he was caught in standard Sharingan Genjutsu.
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-You showed me a crow clone... whats this proving exactly?

-Kisame is busy trying to counter bombs from Deidara as well as Itachi. Deidara doesn't have to focus on one opponent in this situation. Deidaras use of clay clones also has a part to play because he could easily set that decoy up while providing projectiles as well as C2 dragon. Deidara is on his dragon and Kisames water sharks have a certain range in which they can follow the target and like i said, with Deidaras impressive evasive skills air borne, its going to be harder for Kisame to catch him let alone help Itachi fight sasori.

- the only battle he didn't use genjutsu straight away is the Sasuke fight and it wasn't long before he used it. Again this is because he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke. In coming into contact with naruto he used genjutsu. Itachi is well known for putting people in gen without their knowledge of it before much happens in the battle. Everyone knows not to look at his eyes and itachi will be baffled as to why genjutsu isn't working. "Why engage in Taijutsu if i can end it with gen" is what Itachi is probably thinking. Since he has no knowledge on Sasori your point about him scanning sasori is a more logical assumption but he would be considering ther possibilities and would explore in the course of battle.

-Where was it suggested that itachi can coat people in his susano'o while maintaining a portion around himself? It was never referenced, what we saw in the kabuto fight was The susano'o hand covering sasuke in shape of a fist, the am was still connected to susano'o so your theory is a mere creative peculation. In your logic he can use the skeletal structure to cover one person then the muscles for someone else and then the skin for someone else which has never been done.

-And all you have done here is stated his way of resisting genjutsu better and in any case Genjutsu has never been shown to catch someone in the air or someone from a far distance.


Better yet, ill show you C3's destructive power since im here

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the destruction to the environment from kirin is actually less of that as C3. The smoke on the Kirin implies the radius and extend of its destructive power. C3 Was prepared to eradicate a fair portion of the sand village. Ive never debated you but so far you don't appear to be the ignorant type. Look at the explosion difference and then say Kirin is more destructive than C3.

 

[Shura]

Sasori and Deidara mid diff. Deidara could potentially solo. Unfortunately, I‘m on a phone so I cannot debate this.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Sasori and Deidara mid diff. Deidara could potentially solo. Unfortunately, I‘m on a phone so I cannot debate this.

don't have to, got it under control LOL but later have a proper look.

 

[Shura]

don't have to, got it under control LOL but later have a proper look.

Alright. By the way, Deidara was never caught in Sasuke‘s Genjutsu. He himself stated it. I‘ll gladly link you to that scan later.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Alright. By the way, Deidara was never caught in Sasuke‘s Genjutsu. He himself stated it. I‘ll gladly link you to that scan later.

Please do

 

[Zexion~]

you still don't seem to understand.

I clearly do ._.

I know more about these characters then you do by far,

C4 is not hurting someone who is underwater, get over it


Itachi and Kisame win this mid diff,

 

[TheTailedSage]

I clearly do ._.

I know more about these characters then you do by far,

C4 is not hurting someone who is underwater, get over it


Itachi and Kisame win this mid diff,

On what proof???? your going off into your own little world, you have no proof that C4 doesn't work under water, If it didn't work and Kisame persist in being a biatch boy then C3 his ass under water not that he needs it Because it will go under water. If you have no proof then your ignorance remains ignorant

 

[miromiro]

Road to Ninja in filler. And that wasnt long distance. Deidara distance above the Sand village is long distance.

I never hard of a pupper needing air, even with a heart lol. He has no lungs lol

Road to Ninja is a movie, how can you call it filler? It should pretty much what Tsukuyomi is like.
Tsukuyomi works on one no matter the distance. I said it already, Mugen Tsukuyomi is casted off the moon and that's some distance. Deidara has no way to dodge the most powerful Genjutsu, no matter what you say.
And the heart does need air. It's possible that through all those mechanical things Sasori did to his puppet he made some fake lungs.

No matter how, he couldn't survive that Water Prison.

 

[HNIC]

WgHere did everyone go? Lol

 

[TheTailedSage]

WgHere did everyone go? Lol

Accepted that Sasori and Deidar wins

 

[HNIC]

Accepted that Sasori and Deidar wins

Good good! As they should have!!

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Team 2.

Given their respective fighting styles, it's highly likely that they would engage in CQC in the earlier parts of the battle....Sasori naturally being within Hiruko. Deidara would likely be the first to resort to his Doton clay Ninjutsu but it really isn't a threat and could be countered in various ways by both Itachi and Kisame. In terms of Sasori, I'll allow the Manga to explain:

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Now Deidara being a long range fighter and being within his nature he would adjust to a long range fighting style with the C2 Dragon and from thence forth engage from the skies. If Deidara does make such an attempt it is countered by Itachi's Karasu and Karasu bunshin as not only are they greater in quantity but remain more agile. Itachi could simply utilize them to remove the necessary portions; allowing it to fall. In doing so Itachi may also give Kisame aerial ability but elevating him with the Karasu; thus allowing them both to reach Deidara. Any offences during that time are negated by Susanoo's Defenses and Kisame's Suiton Jutsu. Deidara's Knowledge on Itachi's jutsu remains subpar and insufficient as for Sasori there is none; which already secures Hiruko being incapacitated by Susano'o if he attempts to engage Hand-to-Hand combat with Itachi. Hiruko's poison needles aren't of no threat to Kisame either as the Sharingan naturally certain employs rudimentary abilities within the user [

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]. Kisame allots a terrain advantage after employing Suiton: Bakusui Shōha meaning that he would be able to attack from both above and beneath the surface. Itachi could potentially one shot Sasori with Amatearsu as he surfaces from Hiruko or at any point following through the battle as well as ending Deidara with Tsukuyomi as they have no method to prohibit the said jutsu's if pitted against it. Iron Sand isn't breaching Susano'o and as it is earthen Iron particles manipulated by chakra to used as an offence or defense...Samehada would instantaneously absorb this chakra if it comes into contact with the sword. It also means that any weapon formed with the 'Iron Sand' would fritter away as it comes into contact with the Katana. None of Sasori's puppets are getting passed Susano'o version 1, much less a Complete Susano'o' and would all be severed by the Totsuka katana or Kisame's Shark bunshin emerging from beneath the surface. Sasori taking to the skies with the sand suffers the same fate as Deidara with the C2 Dragon, Amaterasu being his end point. As the Sharingan enables it's wielder to identify charka color, C4 Garuda is countered by Susano'o. Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu would finish both, Izanami would also one shot the remainder of the two. Deidara is initially at a disadvantage as he carries a specific portion of clay at all times and only points toward team 1 inevitably loosing. They are simply over powered and lacks jutsu sufficient to counter their opponents arsenal.






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Checkmate.

Team 2.

 

[HNIC]

Checkmate.

Team 2.

You obviously don't know how to read or comprehend. That post covered information that was restricted for one and failed to analyse a way to defeat Sasori or Deidara.

Stop wanking please.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

You obviously don't know how to read or comprehend. That post covered information that was restricted for one and failed to analyse a way to defeat Sasori or Deidara.

Stop wanking please.

Amaterasu isn't the only thing mentioned needed to overcome Team 1. In my eyes, they lose, Amaterasu not necessary and also not being his only points. If you're so butthurt on my opinion maybe you shouldn't have started this thread. Hop off my dick son.

 

[Waltz]

-You showed me a crow clone... whats this proving exactly?

-Kisame is busy trying to counter bombs from Deidara as well as Itachi. Deidara doesn't have to focus on one opponent in this situation. Deidaras use of clay clones also has a part to play because he could easily set that decoy up while providing projectiles as well as C2 dragon. Deidara is on his dragon and Kisames water sharks have a certain range in which they can follow the target and like i said, with Deidaras impressive evasive skills air borne, its going to be harder for Kisame to catch him let alone help Itachi fight sasori.

- the only battle he didn't use genjutsu straight away is the Sasuke fight and it wasn't long before he used it. Again this is because he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke. In coming into contact with naruto he used genjutsu. Itachi is well known for putting people in gen without their knowledge of it before much happens in the battle. Everyone knows not to look at his eyes and itachi will be baffled as to why genjutsu isn't working. "Why engage in Taijutsu if i can end it with gen" is what Itachi is probably thinking. Since he has no knowledge on Sasori your point about him scanning sasori is a more logical assumption but he would be considering ther possibilities and would explore in the course of battle.

-Where was it suggested that itachi can coat people in his susano'o while maintaining a portion around himself? It was never referenced, what we saw in the kabuto fight was The susano'o hand covering sasuke in shape of a fist, the am was still connected to susano'o so your theory is a mere creative peculation. In your logic he can use the skeletal structure to cover one person then the muscles for someone else and then the skin for someone else which has never been done.

-And all you have done here is stated his way of resisting genjutsu better and in any case Genjutsu has never been shown to catch someone in the air or someone from a far distance.


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the destruction to the environment from kirin is actually less of that as C3. The smoke on the Kirin implies the radius and extend of its destructive power. C3 Was prepared to eradicate a fair portion of the sand village. Ive never debated you but so far you don't appear to be the ignorant type. Look at the explosion difference and then say Kirin is more destructive than C3.

Obviously refuting your flawed assertion that Itachi could produce 2 karasu bunshin or are you lost within this arguement?

I find myself repeating this. All of Deidara's bombs would be disabled if they make contact with Samehada as it is able to absorb 6 tails worth of TBV2 chakra instantly and would do similarly to the Doton chakra within the jutsu. None of Deidara's bombs are bypassing the sharingan's visual ability nor Itachi's defenses. Samehada heals all of Kisame's wounds. Itachi takes Sasori internal or external to Hiruko as his offences and tactics pale before Itachi's jutsu.

@ Red: ...Okay?...

Apparently, you're not attuned with the Manga. The Sharingan naturally allows it's wielder to see chakra color [

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@ Green: Attempting to twist my words will amount to nothing. Here: [

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Now Deidara being a long range fighter and being within his nature he would adjust to a long range fighting style with the C2 Dragon and from thence forth engage from the skies. If Deidara does make such an attempt it is countered by Itachi's Karasu and Karasu bunshin as not only are they greater in quantity but remain more agile. Itachi could simply utilize them to remove the necessary portions; allowing it to fall.

Stopped reading at the purple. Deidara recklessly using C3 is entirely subjective and out of character. Everything else written is irrelevant. I'll reiterate once more: None of Sasori's puppets are getting passed Susano'o version 1, much less a Complete Susano'o' and would all be severed by the Totsuka katana or Kisame's Shark bunshin emerging from beneath the surface. Sasori taking to the skies with the sand suffers the same fate as Deidara with the C2 Dragon. As the Sharingan enables it's wielder to identify charka color, C4 Garuda is countered by Susano'o. Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu would finish both, Izanami would also one shot the remainder of the two. Deidara is initially at a disadvantage as he carries a specific portion of clay at all times and only points toward team 1 inevitably loosing.
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[HNIC]

Amaterasu isn't the only thing mentioned needed to overcome Team 1. In my eyes, they lose, Amaterasu not necessary and also not being his only points. If you're so butthurt on my opinion maybe you shouldn't have started this thread. Hop off my dick son.

boy please, dummy I made the thread so gtfo.

Obviously I made the thread because it was a close fight either, but unlike you, I dont accept post that are filled with illegitimate facts

In regard @Waltz POST

Karasu bunshin is not more agile than Deidara's birds, which has been shown. Than goes on to say this removes "unnecessary portions" what unnecessary portions?

giving Kisame aerial ability? Against Deidara who has the ability to defend and attack simultaneously? 1) Kisame's jutsu wouldnt be able to be used mid-air and he wouldnt go unnoticed. Sasori being a seconded eye can even observe this. Iron sand can be used as a shield, like any other sand. Kisame flying close DOES NOT DEFEND against Deidara's bombs. He even assumes that both Itachi and Kisame would be able to do this...really? Sasori isnt considered, and Itachi using susnaoo with crows giving him flight?

hand-to-hand combat? That was a joke, for 1) he ignores Deidara being above and still assumes Itachi is spamming susnaoo for Hiruko

"Hiruko's poison needles aren't of no threat to Kisame either as the Sharingan naturally certain employs rudimentary abilities within the user" this makes NO SENSE. Itachi being able to predict moments, does not grant Kisame the reaction time to counter. Lee expressed this already, "being able to see through movements does NOt mean your body can react in time" That's a fail

Suiton: Bakusui Shōha is wrecked by Deidara, scans have already been provided. ALso, Itachi would be underwater!!!!! Sasori doesn't need to breath and Deidara is above!! Itachi would suffer, using unnecessary chakra

"Itachi could potentially one shot Sasori with Amatearsu" it was restricted

Tsukuyomi is short range and Deidara has already displayed means to get around genjutsu

Sir you both fail horribly, wanking needs to stop if you don't understand that post to begin with.

 

[HNIC]

Obviously refuting your flawed assertion that Itachi could produce 2 karasu bunshin or are you lost within this arguement?

I find myself repeating this. All of Deidara's bombs would be disabled if they make contact with Samehada as it is able to absorb 6 tails worth of TBV2 chakra instantly and would do similarly to the Doton chakra within the jutsu. None of Deidara's bombs are bypassing the sharingan's visual ability nor Itachi's defenses. Samehada heals all of Kisame's wounds. Itachi takes Sasori internal or external to Hiruko as his offences and tactics pale before Itachi's jutsu.

@ Red: ...Okay?...

Apparently, you're not attuned with the Manga. The Sharingan naturally allows it's wielder to see chakra color [

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Stopped reading at the purple. Deidara recklessly using C3 is entirely subjective and out of character. Everything else written is irrelevant. I'll reiterate once more: None of Sasori's puppets are getting passed Susano'o version 1, much less a Complete Susano'o' and would all be severed by the Totsuka katana or Kisame's Shark bunshin emerging from beneath the surface. Sasori taking to the skies with the sand suffers the same fate as Deidara with the C2 Dragont. As the Sharingan enables it's wielder to identify charka color, C4 Garuda is countered by Susano'o. Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu would finish both, Izanami would also one shot the remainder of the two. Deidara is initially at a disadvantage as he carries a specific portion of clay at all times and only points toward team 1 inevitably loosing.
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Explosions take effect without making DIRECT contact. I have already mentioned this multiple times. Samehada would need to make contact to disable any bomb. This is pure common sense!

sharingan's visual ability...it is NOT 360! Deidara controls his bombs remotely and use one as a decoy. As shown here

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Focusing on one aspect of Deidara would be foolish. Deidara plans this ahead of time, as he did against Garra, all of his attacks have purpose. He explains this here:

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You seem to think Deidara uses his birds recklessly, when that indeed is not the case.

Explosions blow up! Kisame being hit a bomb close enough can easily knock Samehada out of his possession.

Iron Sand counters Itachi easily. Kunai use would be useless and I need a scan or proof of Yata Mirror sealing inanimate objects. It needs to piece to even do this -_- (8 branch technique for example)

Deidara WOULD use c3 for an opening, he did this against Garra. I don't see you point...Also, that scan of Deidara being short of clay was after the Garra fight, he never had time to get anymore clay and he went unprepared in that, something he noted and something he corrected against Sasuke. So what's your point?

 

[Waltz]

boy please, dummy I made the thread so gtfo.

Obviously I made the thread because it was a close fight either, but unlike you, I dont accept post that are filled with illegitimate facts

In regard @Waltz POST

Karasu bunshin is not more agile than Deidara's birds, which has been shown. Than goes on to say this removes "unnecessary portions" what unnecessary portions?

giving Kisame aerial ability? Against Deidara who has the ability to defend and attack simultaneously? 1) Kisame's jutsu wouldnt be able to be used mid-air and he wouldnt go unnoticed. Sasori being a seconded eye can even observe this. Iron sand can be used as a shield, like any other sand. Kisame flying close DOES NOT DEFEND against Deidara's bombs. He even assumes that both Itachi and Kisame would be able to do this...really? Sasori isnt considered, and Itachi using susnaoo with crows giving him flight?

hand-to-hand combat? That was a joke, for 1) he ignores Deidara being above and still assumes Itachi is spamming susnaoo for Hiruko

"Hiruko's poison needles aren't of no threat to Kisame either as the Sharingan naturally certain employs rudimentary abilities within the user" this makes NO SENSE. Itachi being able to predict moments, does not grant Kisame the reaction time to counter. Lee expressed this already, "being able to see through movements does NOt mean your body can react in time" That's a fail

Suiton: Bakusui Shōha is wrecked by Deidara, scans have already been provided. ALso, Itachi would be underwater!!!!! Sasori doesn't need to breath and Deidara is above!! Itachi would suffer, using unnecessary chakra

"Itachi could potentially one shot Sasori with Amatearsu" it was restricted

Tsukuyomi is short range and Deidara has already displayed means to get around genjutsu

Sir you both fail horribly, wanking needs to stop if you don't understand that post to begin with.

Explosions take effect without making DIRECT contact. I have already mentioned this multiple times. Samehada would need to make contact to disable any bomb. This is pure common sense!

sharingan's visual ability...it is NOT 360! Deidara controls his bombs remotely and use one as a decoy. As shown here

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Focusing on one aspect of Deidara would be foolish. Deidara plans this ahead of time, as he did against Garra, all of his attacks have purpose. He explains this here:

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You seem to think Deidara uses his birds recklessly, when that indeed is not the case.

Explosions blow up! Kisame being hit a bomb close enough can easily knock Samehada out of his possession.

Iron Sand counters Itachi easily. Kunai use would be useless and I need a scan or proof of Yata Mirror sealing inanimate objects. It needs to piece to even do this -_- (8 branch technique for example)

Deidara WOULD use c3 for an opening, he did this against Garra. I don't see you point...Also, that scan of Deidara being short of clay was after the Garra fight, he never had time to get anymore clay and he went unprepared in that, something he noted and something he corrected against Sasuke. So what's your point?

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As regards Kisame...examine my previous post. Do elaborate what prohibits Itachi from utilizing Susanoo's defenses while being elevated by Karasu bunshin?

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As regards Kisame...examine my previous post. Do elaborate what prohibits Itachi from utilizing Susanoo's defenses while being elevated by Karasu bunshin?

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was there a point of anything being in bold? You mention abilities that are quite impossible. Is Kisame using Suiton mid-air?

Is Itachi using susnaoo the entire time underwater? lol

Most you points are so invalid it's ridiculous. Prove proof of what you state.

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[NarutoIndra]

was there a point of anything being in bold? You mention abilities that are quite impossible. Is Kisame using Suiton mid-air?

Is Itachi using susnaoo the entire time underwater? lol

Most you points are so invalid it's ridiculous. Prove proof of what you state.

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What really is ridiculous is that you create a thread for debate, yet you don't acknowledge any of the arguments. Next time, don't go though the inconvenience of creating a thread, since your thread will never reach any progress with your persistently obstinate attitude.