Religion vs Science = Illogical

[KingHashirama]

Fantastic answer and question. I mean't that the people who support the sides of religion are opposite sides of the spectrum. One prefers the hard rational thought, the other ideal faith.

Science: Well I'm guessing you don't want the actual definition because you could easily look it up. My definition of science is coming across an observation and trying to prove it. Now theres also theoretical science that is proved w/ theorems but that's different.

Religion: it's faith, and it applies to everyone differently.

But that is when you put specific belief systems vs Evidence or the truth. You cannot simply put Religion vs Science. There are over 200 religions.

Well that is the definition that creates these kinds of debates between religion vs Science.

Science is basically the explanation of how things work. However, if one was to say God created the universe, and can also believe in the Big Bang .... Why? cause Big Bang is HOW it was created. If God is created it.. it still has a process. Just like everything we do.


Religion is yes faith, and yes applies to everyone differently, and that is why I'm saying it illogical to put a vague topic like "Religion" vs something that is the process of explaining how something works.

But someone who is well-rounded in science and an Bible or religious knowledge is overall a pretty smart person because understanding the Bible is a challenge by itself. Not only that they know how to put up a good argument.

Agreed. In fact you can just take science and say "thats how God makes things work".

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

A theory admitts it's not definitely true and is backed up by observable facts. Religion is something a guy guessed about awhile ago and forced numerous people to believe thru threats and other forms of coercion. Of course religions of the day are pro science "if you can't beat them join them" they don't want to lose so they are very slowly changing things in their various scriptures as soon as new scientific discoveries are made. They can maintain power longer this way.

 

[KingHashirama]

A theory admitts it's not definitely true and is backed up by observable facts. Religion is something a guy guessed about awhile ago and forced numerous people to believe thru threats and other forms of coercion. Of course religions of the day are pro science "if you can't beat them join them" they don't want to lose so they are very slowly changing things in their various scriptures as soon as new scientific discoveries are made. They can maintain power longer this way.

Wrong, sir please research what a religion is before speaking about it.

Religion= Belief system.....

Albert Einstein had his own religion....

 

[Shirohebi]

But someone who is well-rounded in science and an Bible or religious knowledge is overall a pretty smart person because understanding the Bible is a challenge by itself. Not only that they know how to put up a good argument.

Also agree on that! Every religious person must have a very...overactive imagination to understand such readings. But it doesn't mean that person is exactly smart or sharp. You can learn the proverbs as a song or a poem. On the other side, you need some brains to undrstand an equation or solve a math problem. Has God helped you to nail any math exam? Guess the answer is no!

 

[Shirohebi]

Damn, i just love the way you say things! But don't struggle too much: is like talking to a fish. It can hear you but it can't understand you! KingHashirama maybe hasn't a better thing to do tonight!

 

[xjimbox]

Also agree on that! Every religious person must have a very...overactive imagination to understand such readings. But it doesn't mean that person is exactly smart or sharp. You can learn the proverbs as a song or a poem. On the other side, you need some brains to undrstand an equation or solve a math problem. Has God helped you to nail any math exam? Guess the answer is no!

Well because he can't. That's why we have free will when it comes to God.... So whatever happens happens if we don't get a good grade on the test it's most likely because we didn't work hard enough towards getting a good grade. It said that prayer without works is dead. Basic means he can't help you with anything unless you put forth an effort yourself.

 

[KingHashirama]

Also agree on that! Every religious person must have a very...overactive imagination to understand such readings. But it doesn't mean that person is exactly smart or sharp. You can learn the proverbs as a song or a poem. On the other side, you need some brains to undrstand an equation or solve a math problem. Has God helped you to nail any math exam? Guess the answer is no!

You sir don't even know what a religion is.. so why are you posting like you do...

 

[Zee Seh]

see dude such threads on NB can only make it popular because of many replies but let me tell u this is nt the right place to discuss abt it.. people will reply their own ideas and belifs but u cant change the world.. religion is like an imp. part of our lifestyle. u wuld have seen many movies on people trying to challenge god and u know wat happens to them.. it all ends on the fact that DO U WANT TO BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT... nd the answer depends on ur thinking ..

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

But that is when you put specific belief systems vs Evidence or the truth. You cannot simply put Religion vs Science. There are over 200 religions.

Well that is the definition that creates these kinds of debates between religion vs Science.

Science is basically the explanation of how things work. However, if one was to say God created the universe, and can also believe in the Big Bang .... Why? cause Big Bang is HOW it was created. If God is created it.. it still has a process. Just like everything we do.


Religion is yes faith, and yes applies to everyone differently, and that is why I'm saying it illogical to put a vague topic like "Religion" vs something that is the process of explaining how something works.

Religion that puts faith in a higher power are a loosely similiar. They still require their followers to put faith into something that cannot be proven.

illogical maybe, but entertaining, most definitely. People debate science and religion because it's entertaining. Religion in itself is completely illogical, and even the most devout christian can't disagree.

 

[KingHashirama]

see dude such threads on NB can only make it popular because of many replies but let me tell u this is nt the right place to discuss abt it.. people will reply their own ideas and belifs but u cant change the world.. religion is like an imp. part of our lifestyle. u wuld have seen many movies on people trying to challenge god and u know wat happens to them.. it all ends on the fact that DO U WANT TO BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT... nd the answer depends on ur thinking ..

o-o. Its a discussion thread bro. And there might be people who got their mind changed. People can be persuaded by the little things sir.

Religion that puts faith in a higher power are a loosely similiar. They still require their followers to put faith into something that cannot be proven.

illogical maybe, but entertaining, most definitely. People debate science and religion because it's entertaining. Religion in itself is completely illogical, and even the most devout christian can't disagree.

"Illogical" no. It is simply your belief.... And if christians say their religion is illogical.. then they aren't christian.

Scientists have their own beliefs.... sure they don't like calling their beliefs "religion".. but they are religion... Albert Einstein he didn't believe in god.

My point: You cannot say RELIGION VS SCIENCE..

But you can say: CHRISTIANITY VS Evolution/Big Bang theory/ and etc.

 

[xjimbox]

see dude such threads on NB can only make it popular because of many replies but let me tell u this is nt the right place to discuss abt it.. people will reply their own ideas and belifs but u cant change the world.. religion is like an imp. part of our lifestyle. u wuld have seen many movies on people trying to challenge god and u know wat happens to them.. it all ends on the fact that DO U WANT TO BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT... nd the answer depends on ur thinking ..

Technically we have the right to discuss whatever we want in this section because it's called general discussion and this is in fact a general topic so I don't know what you're trying to prove with your post I try to make us not talk about it anymore. We have the right to discuss whatever we want on here as long as it's PG rated lol. And I don't believe that there's anything wrong with discussing religion and science with other people. This topic is a very good discussion and it's never a bad thing that to discuss beliefs with other people you gain insight and knowledge that you didn't know before.

 

[Mr Scruffington]

That's why we have free will when it comes to God...

Bleh, I don't really want to type out a lot but **** it. Let's talk about free will.

Here's the (extreme) scenario: Person A and Person B decide to intrude on someone's home. The residents at the home are a family of three: a father, a mother, and their child. Person A and B decide to murder the father, kidnap the child, and rape the mother.

Two people have exercised their free will in this scenario, but three people have had their free will violated. If you believe that a god exists, and that he/she/it is an all-powerful and perfectly good god, they have the ability to prevent this from occurring. That god could save the family from this harm. The god has every ability to do so. Yet he does not act and save the family.

It is with this example (and I could provide other explanations to you as well) that I demonstrate that free will, with the existence of a god, causes more harm than good. It is a broken concept. A few people could exercise their will over the will of many, and a god will not intervene to save them. Had a perfectly good and all-powerful god existed, he would not want free will. He would want a world where no one would suffer, and no one had even the possibility of making others suffer. Yet we live in a world where this occurs.

The argument of freewill from a religious standpoint is an attempt to rationalize the irrational.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Technically we have the right to discuss whatever we want in this section because it's called general discussion and this is in fact a general topic so I don't know what you're trying to prove with your post I try to make us not talk about it anymore. We have the right to discuss whatever we want on here as long as it's PG rated lol. And I don't believe that there's anything wrong with discussing religion and science with other people. This topic is a very good discussion and it's never a bad thing that to discuss beliefs with other people you gain insight and knowledge that you didn't know before.

He was saying that because it just leads to a flame war and nothing is accomplished. We could make 1000 of these everyday and nothing would be accomplished. Atheist won't be convinced without proof theist won't be convinced because they don't want to. So what are we doing? We're wasting time

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Wrong, sir please research what a religion is before speaking about it.

Religion= Belief system.....

Albert Einstein had his own religion....

Please do explain how I'm wrong instead of just saying it. Yes it is a belief system I'm not sure why you thought I didn't understand that. Some guy had the idea one day it seemed easy to him he got a bunch of other people to believe him because it made them feel good and the primitive people didn't have any way to find the truth. Numerous people have been killed throught history for not having the right religion so I'm not wrong about the violence and coercion part. How am I wrong?

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

I always see it as science is help proving how God did it. A miniature black hole, about the size of a quark, randomly appeared and it suddenly expanded. Hench the Big Bang Theory. Maybe a day for God is a few billion years and he created the Earth in that short day. Of course this is all a theory with no real proof, but both sides have stuff they believe. The facts are not strong for either side. If science believed what they preach, it would be called the Law of Evolution, or the Big Bang Law. People want to believe these "facts" to be true. Everyone has their own reason for this. I have no problem with people who believe different then me. I don't force anyone to believe something either. As soon as people start accepting people for who they are, we would be better as a whole. This war is almost as bad a discrimination or anti gay rallies. People can never learn to stop hating others because they are different.

 

[Effie]

Let me just chime in and say one thing. Harry Styles.

Now you all can end this pointless argument, because Harry's hair is god.

 

[KingHashirama]

Please do explain how I'm wrong instead of just saying it. Yes it is a belief system I'm not sure why you thought I didn't understand that. Some guy had the idea one day it seemed easy to him he got a bunch of other people to believe him because it made them feel good and the primitive people didn't have any way to find the truth. Numerous people have been killed throught history for not having the right religion so I'm not wrong about the violence and coercion part. How am I wrong?

And what exactly is the truth? How is "God" not true? There are different beliefs about God..


"killigng is wrong" = Belief...

BELIEFS ARE WHAT MAKES HUMANS.. HUMANS. Science is just the name of a process nothing more.

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

o-o. Its a discussion thread bro. And there might be people who got their mind changed. People can be persuaded by the little things sir.



"Illogical" no. It is simply your belief.... And if christians say their religion is illogical.. then they aren't christian.

Scientists have their own beliefs.... sure they don't like calling their beliefs "religion".. but they are religion... Albert Einstein he didn't believe in god.

My point: You cannot say RELIGION VS SCIENCE..

But you can say: CHRISTIANITY VS Evolution/Big Bang theory/ and etc.

You're right christians wouldn't agree, but I meant the stories of the bible, noahs ark, adam and eve. that stuff.

but beliefs can be illogical, beliefs are not neccesasrily facts.

belief can be an opionion or a fact, you can't argue that the way scientist's and the religious "believe" is the same.

 

[xjimbox]

Bleh, I don't really want to type out a lot but **** it. Let's talk about free will.

Here's the (extreme) scenario: Person A and Person B decide to intrude on someone's home. The residents at the home are a family of three: a father, a mother, and their child. Person A and B decide to murder the father, kidnap the child, and rape the mother.

Two people have exercised their free will in this scenario, but three people have had their free will violated. If you believe that a god exists, and that he/she/it is an all-powerful and perfectly good god, they have the ability to prevent this from occurring. That god could save the family from this harm. The god has every ability to do so. Yet he does not act and save the family.

It is with this example (and I could provide other explanations to you as well) that I demonstrate that free will, with the existence of a god, causes more harm than good. It is a broken concept. A few people could exercise their will over the will of many, and a god will not intervene to save them. Had a perfectly good and all-powerful god existed, he would not want free will. He would want a world where no one would suffer, and no one had even the possibility of making others suffer. Yet we live in a world where this occurs.

The argument of freewill from a religious standpoint is an attempt to rationalize the irrational.

Christians believe that everyone is born with a sin nature which means that our minds and actions are automatically horrible and most of the time selfish and no matter what we do by our actions alone are good enough for God. The reason he gave us free will Is because if we were automatically made to do what he says and to love him automatically and unconditionally means basically our bodies will be programmed to do what ever he wants. And he wants people to love him on their own free will not having them brainwashed or controlled to do it. It's not his job to protect the families we are accountable for own actions. You can't blame God for other people's actions because it's not his doing it's their own will. The only way God saves us is through what his message is in the Bible that's what it says in there at least. It even says that he doesn't need to perform miracles or make appearances or talk to people because all of his will is in the Bible and those accounts are supposed to be enough to help you guide your way in your life. We as humans in general are sick and twisted and even though we think we do good it's not enough to make a giant movement Because there are people are simple minded and too self-centered to care what happens to other people.

 

[xjimbox]

He was saying that because it just leads to a flame war and nothing is accomplished. We could make 1000 of these everyday and nothing would be accomplished. Atheist won't be convinced without proof theist won't be convinced because they don't want to. So what are we doing? We're wasting time

But one person can be influenced to Actually think about their beliefs and search and try to find the meaning to what they believe in that I'm happy