Religion vs Science = Illogical

[Mr Scruffington]

Really? It's a very straightforward post. The mechanics of the human body, or any organic life isn't a logical argument to try and deny a creator. Some 'serious elaborating' there huh.

By elaborate, I meant elaborate on what "unexplained miracles" you were talking about. And to elaborate on how science has in any way helped people learn how complicated those "miracles" were.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Ok. That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[~Cherry~]

What is this...narutobase or religion base?

 

[Disquiet]

By elaborate, I meant elaborate on what "unexplained miracles" you were talking about. And to elaborate on how science has in any way helped people learn how complicated those "miracles" were.

Well I suppose scientist fascination for the unexplained may not really be a miracle for all those that take the wonders of nature and life for granted. Again, my responses are rather straightforward and general, hence including the progression scientist has made as a whole.

What is this...narutobase or religion base?

A little bit of both. :3

 

[narutokage99]

The driving force to be a "good" atheist person is because we have one life to live and we want help if we ever need it. Of course religious people say religious experiences are important. Best joke ever eh? Dude I live in America and even though we're officially secular an atheist president will not be elected for a very long time it's hard to find another atheist person, some people think that hogwash like creationism should be taught in schools politicians hold national prayer days and there's channels like Fox News that mock atheism. So you never heard of world war 2? You know when Germany tried to exterminate the Jewish people, what would you call that? How about all the constant turmoil between the christin countries and the Muslim countries that has been going on since their founding and will never end?

We have relative purpose but the probleme is that as i said in an other post somoene could decide to have the purpose to basecally :

" i have 1 life, i want to be full and rich,i may steal,eat as much i can, let me be like certain
hegemonic empires,take all the ressources,give none to no one else" wich i call "atheist capitalism" which has this world view that a very minority have all the ressources and most of the world, for exemple 2 billions in the planet don't have sanitation,food and water.

To me it's because there no moral motivation.I agree about the relative purpose but it doesn't give more moral motivation , it only gives the result we've got today.

About the religion of a president it doesn't change anything when they're all puppets.Even in countries likeMorroco,Algeria, Turkey or some other so called muslim countries they apply secularism instead of religious laws or they mixt and do as they want.

Isn't America the so called country of freedom of expression ? Well you have atheists who mock religion , some religious who mock atheism and some religious who mock other religion...And it's even worst with internet and the medias...About my religion we must show respect for every other religion so again an other "driving force".

Not all the religious wars of history added together, did as much damage as this century’s wars in the name of non-religious ideologies such a communism, nationalism and social-Darwinism.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

We have relative purpose but the probleme is that as i said in an other post somoene could decide to have the purpose to basecally :

" i have 1 life, i want to be full and rich,i may steal,eat as much i can, let me be like certain
hegemonic empires,take all the ressources,give none to no one else" wich i call "atheist capitalism" which has this world view that a very minority have all the ressources and most of the world, for exemple 2 billions in the planet don't have sanitation,food and water.

To me it's because there no moral motivation.I agree about the relative purpose but it doesn't give more moral motivation , it only gives the result we've got today.

About the religion of a president it doesn't change anything when they're all puppets.Even in countries likeMorroco,Algeria, Turkey or some other so called muslim countries they apply secularism instead of religious laws or they mixt and do as they want.

Isn't America the so called country of freedom of expression ? Well you have atheists who mock religion , some religious who mock atheism and some religious who mock other religion...And it's even worst with internet and the medias...About my religion we must show respect for every other religion so again an other "driving force".

Not all the religious wars of history added together, did as much damage as this century’s wars in the name of non-religious ideologies such a communism, nationalism and social-Darwinism.

Bill gates is an atheist and has donated billions out of generosity not fear of punishment, that is the mature view to have of the world. You don't need religion to have morals or care about people. People of most religions are told to care for each other yet you still have religious crusades? It doesn't matter if the president is a puppet or not. If you can't have a political figure that isn't Christian it proves that we are a very Christian country which is what that point was about. Your fifth paragraph did have much pertinence to our discussion. I was attempting to prove that America is a very religious country, you saying everybody mocks one another doesn't refute that point. Your last point is mute. The population of our planet is greater than it has ever been percentage of the population wise more people have suffered under religious conflict not necessarily war but conflict wins hands down. Spain killing most Muslims in their country, European settlers killing the Native American "hethans", people still being killed to this day by theocratic governments. Religion has caused more senseless death than any other cause.

 

[YowYan]

Hey i'm not christian, my point was the fact that no religious war in history, not all the religious wars of history added together, did as much damage as this century’s wars of nationalism and ideology. I'm not the one who mentioned the church

If the "driving force" make no sense to you, how do you explain all these research i gave as examples, many researchs are from non religious scientists.
That research doesn't mean anything? Are there research to counters these research or you'll say as some humanists "their personal experience".
Is it not the humanist and atheist traditions that claim people of religion are not objective and do not use reason?
According to this experience i woulnd't be wrong to find it difficulty to appreciate why you can make such claim.

Some people who reject religion says "we do not wan to submit,submission is dangerous and backward".
I thought about this for a while, since then i called it "logic of submission".

The word logic comes from Greek, and in philosophy Logic is very important because its use allows us to effectively present and refute an argument. Now in the context of arguing that submission to God is the way forward, I use the following:

1. Submission to a higher being is more rational than submission to a human being
2. religion (islam) requires humans to submit to a higher being
3. Therefore religion (islam) is more rational

the above is almost irrefutable. The only way to respond to the argument is by dealing with some of the presuppositions. In this case the presuppositions are,

1. A higher being (i.e. God) exists
2. This higher being requires us to submit to it

we would have to shift the debate to the existence of God and the miracle of the Qur’an, because if it can be proven that God does exist and that the Qur’an is a miracle, in other words, it has come from God, then the humanist should also submit (since the Qur’an tells us to submit to God). However it 's not the topic .

'hope' and 'believe' come in many forms. The most common one is the believe in an external father-like deity.
That's just one of the many. It being 'beneficial' for people's mental stability is a fact, but people use that as fail proof that their father-figure god exists. And that is my point.