Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

[KidGamer65]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Lel at all kamui wankers.

These who bashed hagoromo. It seems jimmies were rustled over truth manga fact.

Onmyoudon nullify ninjutsu - manga fact
Kamui and st ninjutsu are still ninjutsu - manga fact
Kamui working on goudama - manga fact.

It didnt require so much to put two together and git result.

Kamui working on onmyoudon deny manga fact so ut isnt case.

Based on logical deduction kamui was used on
goudama without onmyoudon so onmyudon > kamui is just result.

I am on phone now so when i come back i will try to reply to all posts

Can you stop with this retarded ass bullshit? Based on logical deduction, Kamui works on the Gudo Dama despite Onmyoton, as you don't have any evidence that Madara withdrew Onmyoton from his Gudo Dama. None whatsoever.

A 2 yr. old could have come to this conclusion. Get proof for these claims or stop posting. That simple.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

OK, I had called Kishi and he said you'll here just wasting your time fighting.

And also he said be a Grown up man or women and doing a beneficial thing.

That's all from him

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for Madara to have deactivated onmyoudon at any point. He was literally the focal point of that entire battle, and with not being a complete idiot and all, would obviously know that anyone there could still try to attack him at any time with ninjutsu.

There is no evidence that it requires any special concentration to use, and considering at the time he had the single most massive chakra reserve in the series, there is no chance that it was too taxing on his chakra.

Yes tsb is different than onmyoudon, but every bit of evidence suggests that the squares and rectangles law is in absolute effect here, tsb is always used with onmyoudon, but onmyoudon can be used without tsb. People have a bad tendency to latch on to the early portion of juubito's appearance where he was repeatedly stated to not be in control of his power yet, as evidence that tsb is ever used without onmyoudon, when the only reason it wasn't used is because Juubito was basically out of his mind at that point before stabilizing. Even though he was out of his mind, tsb are a passive ability that every juubi jin can use, in other words he was a snake lashing out with his fangs, even if he didn't know how to inject the venom yet.

There is no advantage or logical reasoning whatsoever for anyone using tsb to ever turn off onmyoudon, none whatsoever, regardless of who they are fighting. Let's say you have an impenetrable, invisible, shield, and people can't see it but they know you have it so they just decide to stop attacking you altogether because they know they can't harm you. Does that mean you turn off the damn shield, no, because there's still always a chance someone's going to come along and try to hit you anyway. You have no reason to even risk it.

 

[legarcon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

The way i see it is that kamui doesnt even touch the TSB, kamui rather bends space to create a warmhole that sucks the technique, so since kamui doesnt touch the TSB and it acts directly on the spacetime fabric it cannot be absorbed unless you have a way to modify the same space that kamui is affecting

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

The way i see it is that kamui doesnt even touch the TSB, kamui rather bends space to create a warmhole that sucks the technique, so since kamui doesnt touch the TSB and it acts directly on the spacetime fabric it cannot be absorbed unless you have a way to modify the same space that kamui is affecting

Prett much. Onmyoudon can't negate space-time ninjtusu, really how would it even go about negating the remote warping of the space it occupies. Space time ninjutsu use chakra, but the spatio-temporal anomalies and phenomenon they cause has nothing to do with chakra so there's nothing to negate.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Well Wasn't Obito negating Amaterasu, FRS+Enton, Senjutsu tbb+Senjutsu Susanoo arrow all before he grabbed BSM and Senjutsu Sasuke and he didn't negate Susanoo which is a jutsu and the TSB should have the power to crush BSM and Susanoo since it already made a hole through Susanoo before yin Yang yet he only threw them into the ground. Obito could have easily killed them then and there.

Well He negated Amaterasu and FRS + Enton that for sure.
He didn't negate Senjtusu TBB or Senjutsu Sussano arrow as Onmyoudon doesn't work on Senjutsu.
Obito didn't want to kill them, he wanted to make then suffer so much so they got in despair and give up on their own. Obito was ready to kill only when it was last resort/option.

Ask Kishi

But

Kamui is Authority of God implied by Hago, its in special case if God is involving

Sure why not ? give me email to him lol.

Yeah authority of God is absolute gg for humans, but another God would overcome it.

I love how when it does erase something like edo tensai, amaterasu, etc he's like "oh he turned on Onmyoudon" but whenever it gets teleported by a s/t tech like ftg or kamui he's like "pssh he turned it off to in danger himself" without any proof of it being a turn on/off ability.

There is no "turn off/on" from the begining.

It is more like adding Technique at top of another technique.

There is no turn on/off. Its blackout, no electricity supply.

Yeah lol

So you're saying that Madara might've not have had Omnyoudon active?


This is how I see it. Omnyoudon is what allowed the Gudodama to negate all ninjutsu that came in contact with it. No matter how powerful the ninjutsu, it'd have no effect.

S/T ninjutsu on the other hand isn't something that would actually make contact with it. Kamui might've not been negated because it didn't make actual contact with the TSB.

That's my thoughts on this.

Possible and plaussibe it could mean that Onmyoudon applied to any physcial object can negate kamui

However Onmyoudon could operate also on spiritual level and if it operate at spiritual level then Kamui would be rendered uselss as all ST.

Also it wasn't stated that Onmyoudon negate charka in Ninjutsu this canceling it.
It was never stated how it work so stating Kamui is chakra projected attack, so only chakra is needed to execute then it work by disorting Space would no work, as Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu no matter how it work. Onmyoudon gg

You never cease to disgust me, KCMNaruto.​

Prove that Onmyoudon wasn't in effect.
Prove that madara/obito can turn Onmyoudon can be turned on and off.
Prove that it was turned off in all situations s/t was used.


Heck, guy wouldn't have to step forward if Onmyoudon wasn't in effect.

the simple proof is that Minato didn't get erased upon contact with TSB, which if contained Onmyoudon then Minato would be gone forever.
When Tobirama teleported Obito then he was unable to react due to distraction more people pulling his attention. When Tobirama telported to Obito then he was always supported by Naruto with Senjutsu so Onmyoudon wouldn't harm him.

Why not ? Gai didn't step in due to Onmyoudon being in use, Gai only stepped in because of Juubi Jinchurki Madara being threat and such powerfull.

Can you stop with this retarded ass bullshit? Based on logical deduction, Kamui works on the Gudo Dama despite Onmyoton, as you don't have any evidence that Madara withdrew Onmyoton from his Gudo Dama. None whatsoever.

A 2 yr. old could have come to this conclusion. Get proof for these claims or stop posting. That simple.

So how Minato was unharmed upon comming in contact with TSB ?

Don't say he was able to take off his clothes so fast that TSB with Onmyoudon didn't erase him.

The way i see it is that kamui doesnt even touch the TSB, kamui rather bends space to create a warmhole that sucks the technique, so since kamui doesnt touch the TSB and it acts directly on the spacetime fabric it cannot be absorbed unless you have a way to modify the same space that kamui is affecting

Possible and plaussibe it could mean that Onmyoudon applied to any physcial object can NOT negate kamui or ST Ninjutsu

However Onmyoudon could operate also on spiritual level and if it operate at spiritual level then Kamui would be rendered uselss as all ST.

Also it wasn't stated that Onmyoudon negate charka in Ninjutsu this canceling it.
It was never stated how it work so stating Kamui is chakra projected attack, so only chakra is needed to execute then it work by disorting Space would no work, as Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu no matter how it work. Onmyoudon gg

Also even if what you said is true, then how Minato could survive after comming in contact with Onmyoudon filled TSB ?

Prett much. Onmyoudon can't negate space-time ninjtusu, really how would it even go about negating the remote warping of the space it occupies. Space time ninjutsu use chakra, but the spatio-temporal anomalies and phenomenon they cause has nothing to do with chakra so there's nothing to negate.

where was it stated that Onmyoudon can negate only Ninjutsu due to chakra ?

Genjtusu also uses chakra and onmyoudon somehow doesn't work on it.

Onmyoudon nullify Ninjutsu, the way it work was never specified.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Omyoudan can't do anything to S/T techs for the simple fact that they dot effect people they affect the space around them, it would be impossible to dodge or eliminate because that would mean eliminating space.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Well He negated Amaterasu and FRS + Enton that for sure.
He didn't negate Senjtusu TBB or Senjutsu Sussano arrow as Onmyoudon doesn't work on Senjutsu.
Obito didn't want to kill them, he wanted to make then suffer so much so they got in despair and give up on their own. Obito was ready to kill only when it was last resort/option.



Sure why not ? give me email to him lol.

Yeah authority of God is absolute gg for humans, but another God would overcome it.



There is no "turn off/on" from the begining.

It is more like adding Technique at top of another technique.



Yeah lol



Possible and plaussibe it could mean that Onmyoudon applied to any physcial object can negate kamui

However Onmyoudon could operate also on spiritual level and if it operate at spiritual level then Kamui would be rendered uselss as all ST.

Also it wasn't stated that Onmyoudon negate charka in Ninjutsu this canceling it.
It was never stated how it work so stating Kamui is chakra projected attack, so only chakra is needed to execute then it work by disorting Space would no work, as Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu no matter how it work. Onmyoudon gg





the simple proof is that Minato didn't get erased upon contact with TSB, which if contained Onmyoudon then Minato would be gone forever.
When Tobirama teleported Obito then he was unable to react due to distraction more people pulling his attention. When Tobirama telported to Obito then he was always supported by Naruto with Senjutsu so Onmyoudon wouldn't harm him.

Why not ? Gai didn't step in due to Onmyoudon being in use, Gai only stepped in because of Juubi Jinchurki Madara being threat and such powerfull.



So how Minato was unharmed upon comming in contact with TSB ?

Don't say he was able to take off his clothes so fast that TSB with Onmyoudon didn't erase him.



Possible and plaussibe it could mean that Onmyoudon applied to any physcial object can NOT negate kamui or ST Ninjutsu

However Onmyoudon could operate also on spiritual level and if it operate at spiritual level then Kamui would be rendered uselss as all ST.

Also it wasn't stated that Onmyoudon negate charka in Ninjutsu this canceling it.
It was never stated how it work so stating Kamui is chakra projected attack, so only chakra is needed to execute then it work by disorting Space would no work, as Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu no matter how it work. Onmyoudon gg

Also even if what you said is true, then how Minato could survive after comming in contact with Onmyoudon filled TSB ?



where was it stated that Onmyoudon can negate only Ninjutsu due to chakra ?

Genjtusu also uses chakra and onmyoudon somehow doesn't work on it.

Onmyoudon nullify Ninjutsu, the way it work was never specified.

Only going to address the part in response to my comment. Genjutsu was never used against onmyoudon, because that doesn't make any sense. the illusion isn't made of chakra in a genjutsu, the chakra is affecting the target's nervous system. We don't have to have an explanation because those of us with the deductive ability of a normal human being can see that it works on contact with the jutsu itself.

Actually I will address one other point. Minato was not harmed, because literally the second he touched the truth seeking balls, he teleported out of the range in which the user is able to control the, so they became useless to harm anyone.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Omyoudan can't do anything to S/T techs for the simple fact that they dot effect people they affect the space around them, it would be impossible to dodge or eliminate because that would mean eliminating space.

but it still affect the Space around it, so it would work...

Onmyoudon IS NOT stated to nullify Ninjutsu DUE TO CHAKRA being involved in use. IT is just people's assumption.
Onmyoudon WAS stated to nullify Ninjutsu [no explained how]. It could work just like magic, so explaining it is useless unless stated by manga.

Kamui is Ninjutsu as far as we know, same with other ST techniques. It means Onmyoudon would work on Kamui.

I could agree that Madara used Goudama+ Onmyoudon against Gai, but Minato's survival with no damage to his body proves otherwise.

Also even if we ASSUME Onmyoudon was used and failed against Kamui, then it could mean it only failed due to being applied to Goudama.

It means Onmyoudon can be used with no physical object, maybe chakra alone this nullifying all Space time techniques including Kamui.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

So how Minato was unharmed upon comming in contact with TSB ?

Don't say he was able to take off his clothes so fast that TSB with Onmyoudon didn't erase him.

When he warped with them, they lost all the Momentum behind them, thus they didn't penetrate his cloak. Allowing him to take it off. Onmyoton isn't the reason the Gudo Dama disintegrate people either, so once again, you are failing hard.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

but it still affect the Space around it, so it would work...

Onmyoudon IS NOT stated to nullify Ninjutsu DUE TO CHAKRA being involved in use. IT is just people's assumption.
Onmyoudon WAS stated to nullify Ninjutsu [no explained how]. It could work just like magic, so explaining it is useless unless stated by manga.

Kamui is Ninjutsu as far as we know, same with other ST techniques. It means Onmyoudon would work on Kamui.

I could agree that Madara used Goudama+ Onmyoudon against Gai, but Minato's survival with no damage to his body proves otherwise.

Also even if we ASSUME Onmyoudon was used and failed against Kamui, then it could mean it only failed due to being applied to Goudama.

It means Onmyoudon can be used with no physical object, maybe chakra alone this nullifying all Space time techniques including Kamui.

That makes no sense, the only way omyoudan could nullify S/T techs, is if it could nullify space.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Almost your entire argument at this point is based upon you hopelessly grasping at straws and trying, very poorly, to argue semantics by sayng that since onmyoudon can cancel ninjutsu it an automatically cancel kamui since kamui is a type of ninjutsu, completely ignoring the fact that kamui creates dimensional warps. Seriously, your very first premise is ridiculous.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Only going to address the part in response to my comment. Genjutsu was never used against onmyoudon, because that doesn't make any sense. the illusion isn't made of chakra in a genjutsu, the chakra is affecting the target's nervous system. We don't have to have an explanation because those of us with the deductive ability of a normal human being can see that it works on contact with the jutsu itself.

Actually I will address one other point. Minato was not harmed, because literally the second he touched the truth seeking balls, he teleported out of the range in which the user is able to control the, so they became useless to harm anyone.

maybe... but again the moment he came in contact with them either before teleporting or after just one second of contact would be enough for Onmyoudon to at least harm Minato's Edo Body... Well Minato stated:

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^^ Goudama didn't disappear until Madara's defeat and Minato even mentioned it.

There is no way goudama would loose it properties after being teleported, as one of you stated goudama has Onmyoudon applied whole time, then control stuff would only means Juubi jinchurki can not make it move or shape it but it would still preserve it's properties.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

When he warped with them, they lost all the Momentum behind them, thus they didn't penetrate his cloak. Allowing him to take it off. Onmyoton isn't the reason the Gudo Dama disintegrate people either, so once again, you are failing hard.

Ok, I got it then could not be moved or shaped, but they would still preserve it's nulyfing properties.

Sure Onmyoudon isn't reason for that, but goudama alone would make hole in Minato's cloak along with his body this comming in contact with him with your supposed Onmyoudon being applied to it all the time, then Minato would die due to being Edo which is Ninjutsu as Tobirama stated

That makes no sense, the only way omyoudan could nullify S/T techs, is if it could nullify space.

But it doesn, what do you not understand ?

Almost your entire argument at this point is based upon you hopelessly grasping at straws and trying, very poorly, to argue semantics by sayng that since onmyoudon can cancel ninjutsu it an automatically cancel kamui since kamui is a type of ninjutsu, completely ignoring the fact that kamui creates dimensional warps. Seriously, your very first premise is ridiculous.

But this is truth. I am not trying i just state pure manga facts.

Sure Onmyoudon applied to physical object fails against Space Time ninjutsu as it was used in the manga.

However the statement of Onmyoudon nullifying ninjutsu and Space Time ninjutsu is still ninjutsu means that onmyoudon can be used in such way to nullify even Space time Ninjutsu even although it was never shown.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Ok, I got it then could not be moved or shaped, but they would still preserve it's nulyfing properties.

It can't nullify if it doesn't damage the target.

Sure Onmyoudon isn't reason for that, but goudama alone would make hole in Minato's cloak along with his body this comming in contact with him with your supposed Onmyoudon being applied to it all the time, then Minato would die due to being Edo which is Ninjutsu as Tobirama stated

Wrong. If the Gudo Dama touched his cloak and stopped moving at all, they'd only stick to his cloak, they wouldn't continue to dig into his body, as nothing is causing them to do so.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Ok, I got it then could not be moved or shaped, but they would still preserve it's nulyfing properties.

Sure Onmyoudon isn't reason for that, but goudama alone would make hole in Minato's cloak along with his body this comming in contact with him with your supposed Onmyoudon being applied to it all the time, then Minato would die due to being Edo which is Ninjutsu as Tobirama stated



But it doesn, what do you not understand ?



But this is truth. I am not trying i just state pure manga facts.

Sure Onmyoudon applied to physical object fails against Space Time ninjutsu as it was used in the manga.

However the statement of Onmyoudon nullifying ninjutsu and Space Time ninjutsu is still ninjutsu means that onmyoudon can be used in such way to nullify even Space time Ninjutsu even although it was never shown.

Lol, you're argument only makes sense if by "Nullify S/T ninjutsu" you mean "Kill the user" because, otherwise, there is no counter to S/T techs (other than other S/T techs), you can't nullify it because the chakra only exists in the user, it's not being thrown around like other ninjutsu.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Lol, you're argument only makes sense if by "Nullify S/T ninjutsu" you mean "Kill the user" because, otherwise, there is no counter to S/T techs (other than other S/T techs), you can't nullify it because the chakra only exists in the user, it's not being thrown around like other ninjutsu.

show me the scan with statement: "Onmyoudon only nullify Ninjutsu due to chakra contained in use of it" or something like that

If you show me then I will agree and admit loss else sorry but I have manga base at which my claim keep value and it make sense

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Ok, I got it then could not be moved or shaped, but they would still preserve it's nulyfing properties.

Sure Onmyoudon isn't reason for that, but goudama alone would make hole in Minato's cloak along with his body this comming in contact with him with your supposed Onmyoudon being applied to it all the time, then Minato would die due to being Edo which is Ninjutsu as Tobirama stated



But it doesn, what do you not understand ?



But this is truth. I am not trying i just state pure manga facts.

Sure Onmyoudon applied to physical object fails against Space Time ninjutsu as it was used in the manga.

However the statement of Onmyoudon nullifying ninjutsu and Space Time ninjutsu is still ninjutsu means that onmyoudon can be used in such way to nullify even Space time Ninjutsu even although it was never shown.

You underestimate Minato's reactions, if he can teleport when the fist of the fastest character in the series is at point blank range, he can teleport those balls before they harm him.

The tsb don't crumble when they're out of range, they just don't work anymore under the user's control, they crumble when the user either dies or loses their rikudo sage status, because their very existence is dependent on that.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

But it doesn, what do you not understand ?

So you admit your loss now?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

show me the scan with statement: "Onmyoudon only nullify Ninjutsu due to chakra contained in use of it" or something like that

If you show me then I will agree and admit loss else sorry but I have manga base at which my claim keep value and it make sense

Because that's the onto way that would make sense, as everyone has been pointing out, for omyoudan to effect kamui, it would somehow have to be capable of effecting he warped space. Notice, all the ninjutsu it's canceled, were thrown at it yet it couldnt cancel a kamui attack, that right there proves you wrong.