Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Im starting to think OP has terrible nightmares about Kamui everyday because all he ever wants to do is bash it.

If Madara can use Onmyoudon and apply it to all his TSB, why would he take it off the shield he used? That doesn't make any sense. Especially considering that Obito also used his Goudama to make a shield and he still used Onmyoudon with his.

Kamui already canonically owned Tsb and Onmyoudon, as there is nothing for Onmyoudon to negate. It just gets warped but an intangible rift in space.

 

[Migster257]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

So you made a thread based on statements made by the wiki? Where's the manga facts? Oh, wait, there's none.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Lol, Dafuq? After getting control, Gudo Dama carries the abilities of Onmyoton, which negate Ninjutsu.

1. Madara was in control.

2. Kamui still ripped the Gudo Dama open.

3. Thus S/T Ninjutsu can't be negated.

I originally agree with the fact that onmyoudon negates S/T techniques because manga explicitely stated it can nullify all ninjutsu it touches...

But....kidgamer could be right after all if you look at it from different perspective...it is stated onmyoudon nullifies all ninjutsu it TOUCHES...but S/T jutsus dont actually touch the thing,do they?they only manipulate space around them and bring them into a different dimension...kind of like the same thing as kamui warping yata mirror...it xan warp it because it doesnt clash with the shield like any normal attack would..instead it only manipulates the space around,bringing it into another dimension without establishing any form of contact with the shield....maybe the same happened with gudoudama and they can be warped after all?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Im starting to think OP has terrible nightmares about Kamui everyday because all he ever wants to do is bash it.

If Madara can use Onmyoudon and apply it to all his TSB, why would he take it off the shield he used? That doesn't make any sense. Especially considering that Obito also used his Goudama to make a shield and he still used Onmyoudon with his.

Kamui already canonically owned Tsb and Onmyoudon, as there is nothing for Onmyoudon to negate. It just gets warped but an intangible rift in space.

I have no at all, lol

Yes Kamui shat on TSB, not at Onmyodon ,sorry.

Obito had time to apply Yin-Yang release/Onmyoudon to TSB back then so his defence was containing it.

Madara had LITTLE to NO time so he just wrapped in TSB but had not enough time to apply/Use Yin-Yang release, basically he has no reason to do that, as Gai is mortal so he could die from touch of TSB anyway. Madara has no way to SUPPOSE REST guys will join to help Gai sensei as simply Gai sensei attacks would caught them on cross fire, which would end badly for them. I didn't see it either actually, I thought Gai will go solo, I and Madara understimated them and that why it turned out as it turned out.

So you made a thread based on statements made by the wiki? Where's the manga facts? Oh, wait, there's none.

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^^ There you go, undeniable manga fact

 

[Migster257]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I have no at all, lol

Yes Kamui shat on TSB, not at Onmyodon ,sorry.

Obito had time to apply Yin-Yang release/Onmyoudon to TSB back then so his defence was containing it.

Madara had LITTLE to NO time so he just wrapped in TSB but had not enough time to apply/Use Yin-Yang release, basically he has no reason to do that, as Gai is mortal so he could die from touch of TSB anyway. Madara has no way to SUPPOSE REST guys will join to help Gai sensei as simply Gai sensei attacks would caught them on cross fire, which would end badly for them. I didn't see it either actually, I thought Gai will go solo, I and Madara understimated them and that why it turned out as it turned out.

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^^ There you go, undeniable manga fact

I was talking about your Kamui denial. Manga fact that it gets nullified?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I originally agree with the fact that onmyoudon negates S/T techniques because manga explicitely stated it can nullify all ninjutsu it touches...

But....kidgamer could be right after all if you look at it from different perspective...it is stated onmyoudon nullifies all ninjutsu it TOUCHES...but S/T jutsus dont actually touch the thing,do they?they only manipulate space around them and bring them into a different dimension...kind of like the same thing as kamui warping yata mirror...it xan warp it because it doesnt clash with the shield like any normal attack would..instead it only manipulates the space around,bringing it into another dimension without establishing any form of contact with the shield....maybe the same happened with gudoudama and they can be warped after all?

well it would actually work if we know for certain that Onmyoudon need physical contact at tall. Of course applied to Goudama it works by direct contact.

However Onmyoudon stuff seems more spiritual stuff to me. It could basically be used without goudama, so there is room for both view and interpretation.

If Onmyoudon can not be used without physcial form then Kidgamer is right and you too.
else Onmyoudon nullfies Space Time jutsu including Kamui as well.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Madara was was unable to act properly as he was in hurry to save his ass shielding himself with goudama, and we know how Kakashi shocked him to warp part of it using Kamui. Same way Minato was able to this, only because Madara has no time to use Onmyoudon and keep it maintaned.

So your gonna explain the tsb moving with minato via ftg when obito purposely put it on him?
Or when Tobirama's clone jumped it back?
Or when minato and Tobirama used mutual swap to separate them from him?
Or when minato jumped 5 at a time?
Or when kakashi warped it?
Everything I listed was instances were st techs were used despite being supposedly nullified
Or we just gonna chalk it up to pnj?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I was talking about your Kamui denial. Manga fact that it gets nullified?

sure, Kamui is labeled as Space Time Ninjutsu, ST Ninjutsu is still part of Ninjutsu(bigger category)

Yin-Yang release nullify/negates Ninjutsu

put two together and result would be obvious

 

[Sound]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Wait this is still going on? JJ Madara already used Omnyodon with his staff on Minato's arm.
That's why it didn't regenerate.

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[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I have no at all, lol

Yes Kamui shat on TSB, not at Onmyodon ,sorry.

Obito had time to apply Yin-Yang release/Onmyoudon to TSB back then so his defence was containing it.

Madara had LITTLE to NO time so he just wrapped in TSB but had not enough time to apply/Use Yin-Yang release, basically he has no reason to do that, as Gai is mortal so he could die from touch of TSB anyway. Madara has no way to SUPPOSE REST guys will join to help Gai sensei as simply Gai sensei attacks would caught them on cross fire, which would end badly for them. I didn't see it either actually, I thought Gai will go solo, I and Madara understimated them and that why it turned out as it turned out.

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^^ There you go, undeniable manga fact

Maybe I would agree with what you are saying but it's a stretch and you know it.

Madara owns some of the best reaction feats in the manga even pre-juubi jin. You say he had no time to react yet, when Minato (the undisputed speed God of NV) went sage mode and tried to use FTG- Rasengan on him, he cut off his arm instantly and since his arm never regenerated that means he was using Onmyoudon, and there is no difference between the staff and the balls except shape.

So either Madara is inconsistent in his reaction times and applying Onmyoudon to his Goudama and Kamui shat on it, or Onmyoudon is a passive ability applied to Goudama and Kamui shat on it.

Pick one.

 

[Migster257]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

sure, Kamui is labeled as Space Time Ninjutsu, ST Ninjutsu is still part of Ninjutsu(bigger category)

Yin-Yang release nullify/negates Ninjutsu

put two together and result would be obvious

That's nice and all if only this didn't happen.

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Manga scan where it states TSB is being used rather than Onmyoudon?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

So your gonna explain the tsb moving with minato via ftg when obito purposely put it on him?
Or when Tobirama's clone jumped it back?
Or when minato and Tobirama used mutual swap to separate them from him?
Or when minato jumped 5 at a time?
Or when kakashi warped it?
Everything I listed was instances were st techs were used despite being supposedly nullified
Or we just gonna chalk it up to pnj?

1. Obito's staff had Yin-Yang release applied to it, goudama could or could not. Based on fact, it didn't
2. Goudama has not Yin-Yang release applied to it, Obito was hurt so he wasn't focused on maintaining it.
3. Distraction, and unable to focus fall to the trap
4. don't get what you means
5. Already explained.

There is no need as goudama != Onmyoudon, we still have nothing of drawback of Onmyoudon use, we can only guess.

Wait this is still going on? JJ Madara already used Omnyodon with his staff on Minato's arm.
That's why it didn't regenerate.

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If Onmyoudon can not be used without physcial form then Kidgamer is right and you too.
else Onmyoudon nullfies Space Time jutsu including Kamui as well.

Maybe I would agree with what you are saying but it's a stretch and you know it.

Madara owns some of the best reaction feats in the manga even pre-juubi jin. You say he had no time to react yet, when Minato (the undisputed speed God of NV) went sage mode and tried to use FTG- Rasengan on him, he cut off his arm instantly and since his arm never regenerated that means he was using Onmyoudon, and there is no difference between the staff and the balls except shape.

So either Madara is inconsistent in his reaction times and applying Onmyoudon to his Goudama and Kamui shat on it, or Onmyoudon is a passive ability applied to Goudama and Kamui shat on it.

Pick one.

Sure, first one is correct, but reason of that is wrong.

Madara has no reason to maintain Onmyoudon while he was focused on shielding himself with TSB from incomming Gai. He knew perfectly that one touch of TSB and Gai is dead. Onmyoudon must have weakness, it would be time of using it etc.

That's nice and all if only this didn't happen.

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Manga scan where it states TSB is being used rather than Onmyoudon?

Gai would be erased upon continuing punching Madara through TSB if Onmyoudon was applied. Don't say he wouldn't touch this as he was enveloped by it from all sides while he punched Madara.

This proves TSB was used without Onmyoudon.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

well it would actually work if we know for certain that Onmyoudon need physical contact at tall. Of course applied to Goudama it works by direct contact.

However Onmyoudon stuff seems more spiritual stuff to me. It could basically be used without goudama, so there is room for both view and interpretation.

If Onmyoudon can not be used without physcial form then Kidgamer is right and you too.
else Onmyoudon nullfies Space Time jutsu including Kamui as well.

Yes i agree

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

That's nice and all if only this didn't happen.

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Manga scan where it states TSB is being used rather than Onmyoudon?

Not only does he have none, but it isn't the first time it's happened. It supposedly negates ninjutsu yet it got ftg'd over 4 times.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

1. Obito's staff had Yin-Yang release applied to it, goudama could or could not. Based on fact, it didn't
2. Goudama has not Yin-Yang release applied to it, Obito was hurt so he wasn't focused on maintaining it.
3. Distraction, and unable to focus fall to the trap
4. don't get what you means
5. Already explained.

There is no need as goudama != Onmyoudon, we still have nothing of drawback of Onmyoudon use, we can only guess.

So we're chalking it up to pnj.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Not only does he have none, but it isn't the first time it's happened. It supposedly negates ninjutsu yet it got ftg'd over 4 times.

^^ Really then tell me smartass how Gai would be not dead after entering this TSB sphere to punch Madara, sure Kakashi warped part of it, but let's not be naive to say Gai had no contact with TSB at all while going through it and leaving it going after Madara.

Madara would easily make goudama attack him, while Gai entered if Onmyoudon was applied. However it wasn't it that how Gai survived

 

[Migster257]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

1. Obito's staff had Yin-Yang release applied to it, goudama could or could not. Based on fact, it didn't
2. Goudama has not Yin-Yang release applied to it, Obito was hurt so he wasn't focused on maintaining it.
3. Distraction, and unable to focus fall to the trap
4. don't get what you means
5. Already explained.

There is no need as goudama != Onmyoudon, we still have nothing of drawback of Onmyoudon use, we can only guess.

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If Onmyoudon can not be used without physcial form then Kidgamer is right and you too.
else Onmyoudon nullfies Space Time jutsu including Kamui as well.



Sure, first one is correct, but reason of that is wrong.

Madara has no reason to maintain Onmyoudon while he was focused on shielding himself with TSB from incomming Gai. He knew perfectly that one touch of TSB and Gai is dead. Onmyoudon must have weakness, it would be time of using it etc.



Gai would be erased upon continuing punching Madara through TSB if Onmyoudon was applied. Don't say he wouldn't touch this as he was enveloped by it from all sides while he punched Madara.

This proves TSB was used without Onmyoudon.

I've yet to see proof that Onmyoudon erases any living being.

Also, even if that was true, when was Kamui ever classified as a Ninjutsu? It could be an S/T tech. Manga scan stating Kamui is Ninjutsu?

 

[Element Master]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Nice Job, I don't think people realize that while gouda can contain Onmyoudon they are not Onmyoudon

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I've yet to see proof that Onmyoudon erases any living being.

Also, even if that was true, when was Kamui ever classified as a Ninjutsu? It could be an S/T tech. Manga scan stating Kamui is Ninjutsu?

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The word NIN in Kamui scan from databook proves that it is Ninjutsu, Kakashi guessed it actually.

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^^ there you go

Nice Job, I don't think people realize that while gouda can contain Onmyoudon they are not Onmyoudon

Thanks, to be honest I was confused at the begining too.

I just want to clear that misconception for them as well I manga has done for me.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

^^ Really then tell me smartass how Gai would be not dead after entering this TSB sphere to punch Madara, sure Kakashi warped part of it, but let's not be naive to say Gai had no contact with TSB at all while going through it and leaving it going after Madara.

Madara would easily make goudama attack him, while Gai entered if Onmyoudon was applied. However it wasn't it that how Gai survived

Guy punched madara's body through the tsb.