Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

You underestimate Minato's reactions, if he can teleport when the fist of the fastest character in the series is at point blank range, he can teleport those balls before they harm him.

The tsb don't crumble when they're out of range, they just don't work anymore under the user's control, they crumble when the user either dies or loses their rikudo sage status, because their very existence is dependent on that.

Ok, I got it this time. Kid gamer explained it to me.

So you admit your loss now?

show me the scan with statement: "Onmyoudon only nullify Ninjutsu due to chakra contained in use of it" or something like that

If you show me then I will agree and admit loss else sorry but I have manga base at which my claim keep value and it make sense

Because that's the onto way that would make sense, as everyone has been pointing out, for omyoudan to effect kamui, it would somehow have to be capable of effecting he warped space. Notice, all the ninjutsu it's canceled, were thrown at it yet it couldnt cancel a kamui attack, that right there proves you wrong.

but it is still assumption, likely and based on observation but still assumption, from other side we have manga fact, so ?

Also even if Onmyoudon applied to physical object failed, then this statement allow me to make likelya assumption as yours that Onmyoudon can affect something with no physical contact, either on astral or spiritual plane.

See, same point as you used.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Because that's the onto way that would make sense, as everyone has been pointing out, for omyoudan to effect kamui, it would somehow have to be capable of effecting he warped space. Notice, all the ninjutsu it's canceled, were thrown at it yet it couldnt cancel a kamui attack, that right there proves you wrong.

At this point he's just clinging to the semantics that it can cancel kamui because kamui is a ninjutsu. So according to him onmyoudon can cancel any type of ninjutsu no matter how it works or what it affects, it's a blatant no limits fallacy.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

At this point he's just clinging to the semantics that it can cancel kamui because kamui is a ninjutsu. So according to him onmyoudon can cancel any type of ninjutsu no matter how it works or what it affects, it's a blatant no limits fallacy.

Pretty much, his argument is apparently that omyoudon can effect nothing (kamui is merely warping), so, I've decided this argument is retarded.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Pretty much, his argument is apparently that omyoudon can effect nothing (kamui is merely warping), so, I've decided this argument is retarded.

Idk if he's just stubborn and delusional or if he seriously doesn't understand how people are telling him kamui works. As far as kamui is concerned, at least the long range warp, whatever it is affecting no longer even exists in this dimension. For that matter, the second kamui starts affecting the tsb, it's technically out of the user's range, unless Madara's control of tsb extends across dimensions now.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

At this point he's just clinging to the semantics that it can cancel kamui because kamui is a ninjutsu. So according to him onmyoudon can cancel any type of ninjutsu no matter how it works or what it affects, it's a blatant no limits fallacy.

just like Totsuka and Yata, strange that in their's case everyone approve it.

Why not in Onmyoudon case, because it doesn't fit your's view of manga , pff.

Pretty much, his argument is apparently that omyoudon can effect nothing (kamui is merely warping), so, I've decided this argument is retarded.

Sure just putting everything in favour of your favourite or bending manga to your personal view is certainly great way to skip or disprove unbiased manga facts

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

just like Totsuka and Yata, strange that in their's case everyone approve it.

Why not in Onmyoudon case, because it doesn't fit your's view of manga , pff.



Sure just putting everything in favour of your favourite or bending manga to your personal view is certainly great way to skip or disprove unbiased manga facts

Except your arguments make zero sense, and are based on you taking what was likely a hyperbole too literally, and then using that extremely literal definition to create a semantics argument to win. The very fact that Kakashi broke through Madara's omyoudon barrier using kamui proves you wrong.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

just like Totsuka and Yata, strange that in their's case everyone approve it.

Why not in Onmyoudon case, because it doesn't fit your's view of manga , pff.



Sure just putting everything in favour of your favourite or bending manga to your personal view is certainly great way to skip or disprove unbiased manga facts

I don't think yata can stop kamui either, so your argument about bias is moot.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

show me the scan with statement: "Onmyoudon only nullify Ninjutsu due to chakra contained in use of it" or something like that

If you show me then I will agree and admit loss else sorry but I have manga base at which my claim keep value and it make sense

By this logic, show me your brain, have your ever even seen it?

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

By this logic, show me your brain, have your ever even seen it?

His request is ridiculous. Every use of tsb+onmyoudon shows it working by contact. So as far as we are concerned, that is how it works. We don't just automatically give it attributes like being able to cancel out spatiotemporal attacks because it hasn't been explained not to.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Is this guy still carrying on with this BS? I've yet to see proof that Madara turned off his Onmyoton, and I've yet to see proof that he can actually turn it off to begin with.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Is this guy still carrying on with this BS? I've yet to see proof that Madara turned off his Onmyoton, and I've yet to see proof that he can actually turn it off to begin with.

Even if he could turn it off, there'd be no logical reason for him to ever do so regardless of the circumstances, as I said earlier. So yeah, OP is still running a one man race.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Is this guy still carrying on with this BS? I've yet to see proof that Madara turned off his Onmyoton, and I've yet to see proof that he can actually turn it off to begin with.

He always speculates on the unknown and then demands a specific proof from manga that counters layer by layer what he has speculated to admit he's wrong.

Sadly my english isnt good enough to find a word that would describe my opinion about him

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

He always speculates on the unknown and then demands a specific proof from manga that counters layer by layer what he has speculated to admit he's wrong.

Sadly my english isnt good enough to find a word that would describe my opinion about him

Is english not your first language? If so then you're very well spoken for a non-native speaker. Yes, he does exactly that. He claims his ideas are based on manga facts and then asks others to prove a negative. Onmyoudon has only been shown to work through contact, implying it has to make contact with the jutsu to nullify. Since all jutsu that involve a physical substance involve either chakra constructs or chakra flow within a substance or object, then logically we can assume that it nullifies based on coming in contact with chakra, otherwise it would just be disintegrating things with the tsb's default ability. Either way, neither nullification, nor disintegration, works, then the thing that's doing it is being sent to another dimension by an intangible force.

Edit: I also want to add in that since onmyoudon as we know is a separate ability from the tsb, meaning the juubi jin should be able to apply it to their body as well. Yet, we already know that Madara was unable to cancel out Obito's intangibility.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Except your arguments make zero sense, and are based on you taking what was likely a hyperbole too literally, and then using that extremely literal definition to create a semantics argument to win. The very fact that Kakashi broke through Madara's omyoudon barrier using kamui proves you wrong.

"There is no defence against Kamui" hyperbole exists as well, and yet people worship it as truth.

I admit Kamui has great, well god like feats but it still doesn't live up to it's hype.

I don't think yata can stop kamui either, so your argument about bias is moot.

I didn't tried such logic. It was just one of statement which is widely accepted by Naruto manga fans.

By this logic, show me your brain, have your ever even seen it?

Bashing me now ?, no problem do it as much you want.

I deserve it for rustling your jimmies.

His request is ridiculous. Every use of tsb+onmyoudon shows it working by contact. So as far as we are concerned, that is how it works. We don't just automatically give it attributes like being able to cancel out spatiotemporal attacks because it hasn't been explained not to.

Sure it may be ridiculous in your eyes. However based on Manga statement taken literally proves Onmyoudon > kamui. Of course canon/on panel Kamui > Onmyoudon due to lack of contact with it.

However statement suggest uncovered/unshown way of use Onmyoudon to cancel Kamui.

Is this guy still carrying on with this BS? I've yet to see proof that Madara turned off his Onmyoton, and I've yet to see proof that he can actually turn it off to begin with.

I admit my defeat... in that case.

I will repeat: Sure it may be ridiculous in your eyes. However based on Manga statement taken literally proves Onmyoudon > kamui. Of course canon/on panel Kamui > Onmyoudon due to lack of contact with it.

However statement suggest uncovered/unshown way of use Onmyoudon to cancel Kamui.

He always speculates on the unknown and then demands a specific proof from manga that counters layer by layer what he has speculated to admit he's wrong.

Sadly my english isnt good enough to find a word that would describe my opinion about him

Don't hold back yourself bash me as much you wish. I am sorry for rustiling your jimmies ;(

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Bashing me now ?, no problem do it as much you want.

I deserve it for rustling your jimmies.

Oh noes, not in a million years.

I just devised an undeniable fact.

You sir have no brain, in order to prove me wrong show your brain failbot U_U

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

He always speculates on the unknown and then demands a specific proof from manga that counters layer by layer what he has speculated to admit he's wrong.

Sadly my english isnt good enough to find a word that would describe my opinion about him

Roundabout reasoning?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

"There is no defence against Kamui" hyperbole exists as well, and yet people worship it as truth.

I admit Kamui has great, well god like feats but it still doesn't live up to it's hype.

Name a defence that blocked kamui.
The only reason it's held in high regard is due to the fact that despite its near damn disgusting overuse(on both obito's and Kakashi's part) it's never failed.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Roundabout reasoning?

Basically. He came in with a false premise, that onmyoudon can negate any jutsu, regardless of what it does. Then said kamui must be negated by it because it is a jutsu. Therefore onmyoudon wasn't active when kamui was used on tsb sphere, even though there was no logical reason whatsoever for Madara to have ever deactivated onmyoudon at any point since his juubification.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Roundabout reasoning?

What? Do you think of me as nice guy?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Basically. He came in with a false premise, that onmyoudon can negate any jutsu, regardless of what it does. Then said kamui must be negated by it because it is a jutsu. Therefore onmyoudon wasn't active when kamui was used on tsb sphere, even though there was no logical reason whatsoever for Madara to have ever deactivated onmyoudon at any point since his juubification.

The premise(onmyudon negates all ninjutsu) can only be true if he can prove/provide proof of it being able to be shut on and off (since kamui would falsify said premise based on feats) but he can't (even though he's been doing it for 5 pages) use the premise itself as proof.