Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Guy punched madara's body through the tsb.

Yeah, but he also was going through it as well, and luckily he didn't make any contact with TSB with with any part of his body, yeah ?

Seems naive and stupid. Anyway I proved my point so sorry but I am going to sleep.

I will counter arguments when I will wake up
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

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The word NIN in Kamui scan from databook proves that it is Ninjutsu, Kakashi guessed it actually.

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^^ there you go



Thanks, to be honest I was confused at the begining too.

I just want to clear that misconception for them as well I manga has done for me.

Good. At least you actually provide manga facts.
It most likely would negate Kamui then, but not like anyone is fast enough to be able to do so.
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Kamui already owned it.
Minato's hiraishin owned it when he warped them away from gai.

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Thinking about it, Hiruzen had excellent analytical skills!
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Yeah, but he also was going through it as well, and luckily he didn't make any contact with TSB with with any part of his body, yeah ?

Seems naive and stupid. Anyway I proved my point so sorry but I am going to sleep.

I will counter arguments when I will wake up

Seeing as how his fists create creators in perfect circles that are 50 ft deep (give or take) I don't see why he's get touched by it.
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Could be that Kishi just further nerfed Juubi Jins, he already did so to each one so why not with that too? It could be that sense s/t jutsus don't actually hit the TSB, they don't get negated where as attacks like Amaterasu or tbb would. S/T jutsus simply teleports from one place to another
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Both Kamui and ftg shat on tsb.
If it canceled ninjutsu minato wouldn't be able to ftg with it on him. Yet he did it thrice(first time unintentionally)
Kamui crapped on it.

In the face of St techs tsb are.... you know the quote.

WHen was the third? I only remember him stealing Madara's orbs, and the "Present" that Obito gave him.
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Right, clarification time. Truth Seeking Balls/Gudou Dama's are the black balls. They can use Yin-Yang/Omnyoudon/Inyouton Chakra to nullify Ninjutsu, if the user has enough control over them.

The fact that Madara's staff took of minato's arm permanently is proof that he used Omnyoudon in his Gudou Dama's, Yet Kamui and FTG where able to **** with them easily. The explanation for FTG is simple, Minato warped them away right when they touched him, before they could start melting him, and once out of madara's range they became useless.
As for Kamui, well, Kamui is the most OP justu for a reason.
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

this is like the 1000th time I see you make this threadLol
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I originally agree with the fact that onmyoudon negates S/T techniques because manga explicitely stated it can nullify all ninjutsu it touches...

But....kidgamer could be right after all if you look at it from different perspective...it is stated onmyoudon nullifies all ninjutsu it TOUCHES...but S/T jutsus dont actually touch the thing,do they?they only manipulate space around them and bring them into a different dimension...kind of like the same thing as kamui warping yata mirror...it xan warp it because it doesnt clash with the shield like any normal attack would..instead it only manipulates the space around,bringing it into another dimension without establishing any form of contact with the shield....maybe the same happened with gudoudama and they can be warped after all?

You have a point right here.

@ bold part was it stated or deduced from manga scans ?

If former then ok, if latter then it is your your opinion, sorry.

Its deduced from manga fact. When a Jin gets control, their Gudo Dama negate Ninjutsu. Manga fact.

Was it even stated Juubi Jinchurki can use Onmyoudon applied to goudama constantly/all the time ?
There is nothing that even begins to imply that the Jin can shut off the application of Onmyoton to the Gudo Dama, nor is there any proof that Madara decided to shut it off for that fight. Lol. If this is the main point you were coming to, I suggest you stop this pathetic attempt at grasping at straws. Why would Madara shut off his ability to negate Ninjutsu, assuming he can even shut it off to begin with?

The fact Naruto wiki is your main support only makes me want to not take this seriously.


It's weakness would be use for short amount of time and having cooldown time to use it, another would be need to focus to use it actively instead of using it as passive ability applied to goudama every time.

Sorry. The fanfic section is elsewhere.
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

thanks for sharing, but i already know that
 

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KCMNaruto never stops talking shit. Thread ended with EjBlack's post.​
 
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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Tobirama's statement is a huge ass hyperbole. His statement was debunked when Sage attacks damaged Juubito and Juudara. Ninjutsu enhanced by natural energy is still categorized as ninjutsu.





All Ninjutsu would mean that Sage-Enhanced Ninjutsu (Senjutsu) would be included as well.
 
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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Thred got shitted to hard on
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Kamui > Oumyodon

There is no question

You can't negate "nothing" which is just what Kamui is, just a portal, no physical contact possible
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Good. At least you actually provide manga facts.
It most likely would negate Kamui then, but not like anyone is fast enough to be able to do so.

^^ Exactly if you are not fast enough to activate it and perfectly control it then it won't help you either.

Kamui already owned it.
Minato's hiraishin owned it when he warped them away from gai.

Owned
Owned
Owned
Owned

denial
denial
denial

Something I missed ? I doubt it

Thinking about it, Hiruzen had excellent analytical skills!

Exactly he is true God Shinobi after all, he reached peak of Narutoverse powers, skills without conncetion to Ootsutsuki family.

He is beast.

Seeing as how his fists create creators in perfect circles that are 50 ft deep (give or take) I don't see why he's get touched by it.

Still doesn't explain how he would avoid even BARERLY contact with it.

Could be that Kishi just further nerfed Juubi Jins, he already did so to each one so why not with that too? It could be that sense s/t jutsus don't actually hit the TSB, they don't get negated where as attacks like Amaterasu or tbb would. S/T jutsus simply teleports from one place to another

Nope, blaming it on nerf, would only work if something just before Space time technique was used on TSB and was negated, nullified.

If not then we can prove that Onmyoudon could be active all this time with no drawback

Right, clarification time. Truth Seeking Balls/Gudou Dama's are the black balls. They can use Yin-Yang/Omnyoudon/Inyouton Chakra to nullify Ninjutsu, if the user has enough control over them.

The fact that Madara's staff took of minato's arm permanently is proof that he used Omnyoudon in his Gudou Dama's, Yet Kamui and FTG where able to **** with them easily. The explanation for FTG is simple, Minato warped them away right when they touched him, before they could start melting him, and once out of madara's range they became useless.
As for Kamui, well, Kamui is the most OP justu for a reason.

Proof that Onmyoudon can be used as passive ability of goudama, or could be even constantly used ?s

"Every technique has weakness" - Itachi.

this is like the 1000th time I see you make this threadLol

glad you like it

You have a point right here.



Its deduced from manga fact. When a Jin gets control, their Gudo Dama negate Ninjutsu. Manga fact.


There is nothing that even begins to imply that the Jin can shut off the application of Onmyoton to the Gudo Dama, nor is there any proof that Madara decided to shut it off for that fight. Lol. If this is the main point you were coming to, I suggest you stop this pathetic attempt at grasping at straws. Why would Madara shut off his ability to negate Ninjutsu, assuming he can even shut it off to begin with?

The fact Naruto wiki is your main support only makes me want to not take this seriously.

Sorry. The fanfic section is elsewhere.

If you think use of Onmyoudon can no drawback, cost then I feel just sad for you.

thanks for sharing, but i already know that

Thank you very much ;)

KCMNaruto never stops talking shit. Thread ended with EjBlack's post.​

maybe in your wet dreams that it.

I still wait for proof for Onmyoudon to be active all this time

Tobirama's statement is a huge ass hyperbole. His statement was debunked when Sage attacks damaged Juubito and Juudara. Ninjutsu enhanced by natural energy is still categorized as ninjutsu.





All Ninjutsu would mean that Sage-Enhanced Ninjutsu (Senjutsu) would be included as well.

True, but it seems Kishi differ Senjutsu from Ninjutsu somehow...

Thred got shitted to hard on

Nothing to say here, then go cry somewhere else

Kamui > goudama

There is no question

You can't negate "nothing" which is just what Kamui is, just a portal, no physical contact possible

fixed for you U_U

Onmyoudon is not even physical stuff, it work rather on spiritual concept. It just was used in combination of goudama.

Was is stated that Onmyoudon can not be used via let's say chakra arm ?
Was it stated that Onmyoudon can be active all the time ?
Was it stated that Onmyoudon has no cooldown time or drawback ?
Was it stated how Onmyoudon technique can be active along with goudama ?
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

If you think use of Onmyoudon can no drawback, cost then I feel just sad for you.

I feel sad for you if you think that your fanfiction holds any weight in a debate.
 

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So, simply put; the reason that Kamui was able to penetrate was because Madara had not applied Omnyoudon to the Gudoudama spherical shield? Plausible.
 

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I feel sad for you if you think that your fanfiction holds any weight in a debate.

denial of manga statement that ""Onmyoudon nullify any Ninjutsu" is too strong in you,

Sorry But I can not help you.

So, simply put; the reason that Kamui was able to penetrate was because Madara had not applied Omnyoudon to the Gudoudama spherical shield? Plausible.

Exactly
 

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Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]


It does seem more likely in the fact that he was fighting a Taijutsu user. It's not like he was moronic enough to believe that it negated Taijutsu. :| It was there to take some of the damage is all, it served it's purpose.
 
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