Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

[kaiyokoon]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

What? Do you think of me as nice guy?

I thought he was talking about OP

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

What? Do you think of me as nice guy?

U said you don't know what it's called. I replied with "roundabout reasoning". Can't use x to prove x.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

I thought he was talking about OP

I was looking for a bad word about OP thou



@KCM, still waiting for your brain cells proof...
Have some medicine of yours U_U

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Name a defence that blocked kamui.
The only reason it's held in high regard is due to the fact that despite its near damn disgusting overuse(on both obito's and Kakashi's part) it's never failed.

other eye of Obito having Kamui, hirashin,goudama(when Obito tried to warp himself with one eye).

Also why didn't Obito warp Goudama with close range kamui then he would have no problem teleporiting to Naruto. I mean goudama was obstacle in warping himself to other dimenssion, absoring them could solve that problem.

I see, you have point.

TO EVERYONE MAKE LAUGH FROM ME:

I admited that original premise contained in title of this thread was wrong. Yes I can accept Onmyoudon was applied to goudama and it failed against Kamui.

I only accept it due to explanation of Space time ninjutsu didn't come in touch with Omyoudon so it works.

However I stick belief supported by manga fact that there exist unshown/uknown to us way of use Onmydouon to negate ANY Ninjutsu even with not need to touch.

That all

I was looking for a bad word about OP thou



@KCM, still waiting for your brain cells proof...
Have some medicine of yours U_U

Yeah, now trying to attack me personally, sure keep doing it if it make you feel better.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Yeah, not trying to attack me personally, sure keep doing it if it make you feel better.

Im not attacking you, I just use your ignorant logic against you in order to achieve/prove my point.

Now why wont you do this little favour and prove me wrong? You sure want to U_U

Should I make thread about it and give you more time to get a brain while it or what?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Im not attacking you, I just use your ignorant logic against you in order to achieve/prove my point.

Now why wont you do this little favour and prove me wrong? You sure want to U_U

Should I make thread about it and give you more time to get a brain while it or what?

READ once again:

TO EVERYONE MAKING LAUGH of ME:

I admited that original premise contained in title of this thread was wrong. Yes I can accept Onmyoudon was applied to goudama and it failed against Kamui.

I only accept it due to explanation of Space time ninjutsu didn't come in touch with Omyoudon so it works.

However I stick belief supported by manga fact that there exist not shown/uknown to us way of use Onmydouon to negate ANY Ninjutsu even with not need to touch.

That all

EDIT: If you omit or skip it once again, and do what you want I won't waste my time with you.

 

[Scryed]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Well He negated Amaterasu and FRS + Enton that for sure.
He didn't negate Senjtusu TBB or Senjutsu Sussano arrow as Onmyoudon doesn't work on Senjutsu.
Obito didn't want to kill them, he wanted to make then suffer so much so they got in despair and give up on their own. Obito was ready to kill only when it was last resort/option.



Sure why not ? give me email to him lol.

Yeah authority of God is absolute gg for humans, but another God would overcome it.



There is no "turn off/on" from the begining.

It is more like adding Technique at top of another technique.



Yeah lol



Possible and plaussibe it could mean that Onmyoudon applied to any physcial object can negate kamui

However Onmyoudon could operate also on spiritual level and if it operate at spiritual level then Kamui would be rendered uselss as all ST.

Also it wasn't stated that Onmyoudon negate charka in Ninjutsu this canceling it.
It was never stated how it work so stating Kamui is chakra projected attack, so only chakra is needed to execute then it work by disorting Space would no work, as Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu no matter how it work. Onmyoudon gg





the simple proof is that Minato didn't get erased upon contact with TSB, which if contained Onmyoudon then Minato would be gone forever.
When Tobirama teleported Obito then he was unable to react due to distraction more people pulling his attention. When Tobirama telported to Obito then he was always supported by Naruto with Senjutsu so Onmyoudon wouldn't harm him.

Why not ? Gai didn't step in due to Onmyoudon being in use, Gai only stepped in because of Juubi Jinchurki Madara being threat and such powerfull.



So how Minato was unharmed upon comming in contact with TSB ?

Don't say he was able to take off his clothes so fast that TSB with Onmyoudon didn't erase him.



Possible and plaussibe it could mean that Onmyoudon applied to any physcial object can NOT negate kamui or ST Ninjutsu

However Onmyoudon could operate also on spiritual level and if it operate at spiritual level then Kamui would be rendered uselss as all ST.solid

Also it wasn't stated that Onmyoudon negate charka in Ninjutsu this canceling it.
It was never stated how it work so stating Kamui is chakra projected attack, so only chakra is needed to execute then it work by disorting Space would no work, as Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu no matter how it work. Onmyoudon gg

Also even if what you said is true, then how Minato could survive after comming in contact with Onmyoudon filled TSB ?



where was it stated that Onmyoudon can negate only Ninjutsu due to chakra ?

Genjtusu also uses chakra and onmyoudon somehow doesn't work on it.

Onmyoudon nullify Ninjutsu, the way it work was never specified.

Omnyoudon negates the ninjutsu that come in contact with the TSB it was infused with.

That TSB itself though should've drilled through Minato since it's supposed to be like a liquid Jinton. Not only that but Obito formed his TSB into giant hands and grabbed Naruto's Kurama avatar and Sasuke's Susanoo.

It's as if the TSB could switch between it's Jinton state and a solid state.

Jinton: V1 Obito erasing Hiruzen and his giant shuriken. Erasing half of Hashirama's clone and Tobirama.

Solid: Madara using it as a shield against Gai's Air cannon. Obito using it to grab Naruto's Kurama avatar and Sasuke's Susanoo.


Apparently, Madara had it solid when Minato jumped in to FTG with them. If they were in a Jinton state, then I would imagine they would've drilled through Minato. Shortly afterwards, Gai punched Madara out breaking the solid TSB shield in the process.



Kamui is classified as ninjutsu. The thing is that the ninjutsu that Omnyoudon negates are the ones that make contact with the TSB.

Kamui, on the otherhand, never actually made contact with the TSB.


Unfortunate that it wasn't explained though. All we can do is try to make sense of it somehow.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

other eye of Obito having Kamui, hirashin,goudama(when Obito tried to warp himself with one eye).

Also why didn't Obito warp Goudama with close range kamui then he would have no problem teleporiting to Naruto. I mean goudama was obstacle in warping himself to other dimenssion, absoring them could solve that problem.

I see, you have point.

TO EVERYONE MAKE LAUGH FROM ME:

I admited that original premise contained in title of this thread was wrong. Yes I can accept Onmyoudon was applied to goudama and it failed against Kamui.

I only accept it due to explanation of Space time ninjutsu didn't come in touch with Omyoudon so it works.

However I stick belief supported by manga fact that there exist unshown/uknown to us way of use Onmydouon to negate ANY Ninjutsu even with not need to touch.

That all



Yeah, not trying to attack me personally, sure keep doing it if it make you feel better.

So only kamui can stop kamui. See why it's held so high?

You'd have a point if you used something other than your premise to prove yourself.
It's like saying "yata blocks all, therefore yata blocks all".

Or to put it in layman's terms .

X y is x

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Omnyoudon negates the ninjutsu that come in contact with the TSB it was infused with.

That TSB itself though should've drilled through Minato since it's supposed to be like a liquid Jinton. Not only that but Obito formed his TSB into giant hands and grabbed Naruto's Kurama avatar and Sasuke's Susanoo.

It's as if the TSB could switch between it's Jinton state and a solid state.

Jinton: V1 Obito erasing Hiruzen and his giant shuriken. Erasing half of Hashirama's clone and Tobirama.

Solid: Madara using it as a shield against Gai's Air cannon. Obito using it to grab Naruto's Kurama avatar and Sasuke's Susanoo.


Apparently, Madara had it solid when Minato jumped in to FTG with them. If they were in a Jinton state, then I would imagine they would've drilled through Minato. Shortly afterwards, Gai punched Madara out breaking the solid TSB shield in the process.



Kamui is classified as ninjutsu. The thing is that the ninjutsu that Omnyoudon negates are the ones that make contact with the TSB.

Kamui, on the otherhand, never actually made contact with the TSB.


Unfortunate that it wasn't explained though. All we can do is try to make sense of it somehow.

pretty much this.

However Onmyoudon statement makes room for debate if it can be used with no need of direct contact

I believe yes

So only kamui can stop kamui. See why it's held so high?

You'd have a point if you used something other than your premise to prove yourself.
It's like saying "yata blocks all, therefore yata blocks all".

Or to put it in layman's terms .

X y is x

^^ but the premise give me room for speculation that Onmyoudon can be used with not contact but it was never shown maybe noone was good enough for that(Obito, Madara). Kaguya or Hagoromo didn't shown anything with use of it so idk

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

READ once again:

TO EVERYONE MAKING LAUGH of ME:

I admited that original premise contained in title of this thread was wrong. Yes I can accept Onmyoudon was applied to goudama and it failed against Kamui.

I only accept it due to explanation of Space time ninjutsu didn't come in touch with Omyoudon so it works.

However I stick belief supported by manga fact that there exist not shown/uknown to us way of use Onmydouon to negate ANY Ninjutsu even with not need to touch.

That all

EDIT: If you omit or skip it once again, and do what you want I won't waste my time with you.

So when i asked if you admitted your loss why did go over with BS again?

Edit: Dont waste our time with negative quality threads, Thank you.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

So when i asked if you admitted your loss why did go over with BS again?

Edit: Dont waste our time with negative quality threads, Thank you.

due to your selective reading and pretending to see only part of my post with which you agree, then use it against me to show my self defeat that how you work sadly.

it is not negative in my eyes, this is just your opinion but thank you for sharing it with me.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Kcm naruto did you really say kamui's feats don't live up to the hype?
U serious?
Obito used kamui to go from the pure world to the impure world and back. That's realm shifting my niqqa. That alone crapped all over edo tensai since it dosent need a sacrifice, the deceased can do it, and it doesn't need blood.

Lol kamui is the greatest technique nv has ever seen

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Kcm naruto did you really say kamui's feats don't live up to the hype?
U serious?
Obito used kamui to go from the pure world to the impure world and back. That's realm shifting my niqqa. That alone crapped all over edo tensai since it dosent need a sacrifice, the deceased can do it, and it doesn't need blood.

Lol kamui is the greatest technique nv has ever seen

well, excuse me but I will use your "weapon" against you this time.

Wasn't it serving symbolic puropouse only ?

I mean in real world, it was just chakra of Obito which transmigrated into Kakashi which later shown symbolically young Obito inside Kakashi's mind talking with him.

I mean why should we take it literally while denying literal sense of Onmyoudon statement ?

Please explain I am curious.

Also about Kamui but saying it didn't live up to it's hype I meant Kamui would have to be tested against each and every technique of shinobi to live up fully to it's hype.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

well, excuse me but I will use your "weapon" against you this time.
Wasn't it serving symbolic puropouse only ?
I mean in real world, it was just chakra of Obito which transmigrated into Kakashi which later shown symbolically young Obito inside Kakashi's mind talking with him.
I mean why should we take it literally while denying literal sense of Onmyoudon statement ?
Please explain I am curious.
Also about Kamui but saying it didn't live up to it's hype I meant Kamui would have to be tested against each and every technique of shinobi to live up fully to it's hype.

Obito returned to his ashes then in form of chakra jumped to kakashi, kakashi wasnt transmigrant, transmigrants dont talk with their chosen, kakashi was a jin of Obito basically.
They were also shown in grown forms, it was just symbolic as Obito returned to old(kid) self.

Kamui was tested vs TSB w/ onmyudon (huge hype) and later took a dump on kaguya (max hype) and even meaning of death itself U_U.

Kamui(Intangibility) also renders IT and KA useless both OP and hyped as ****.

Nothing lives up to hype like kamui does.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

well, excuse me but I will use your "weapon" against you this time.

Wasn't it serving symbolic puropouse only ?

I mean in real world, it was just chakra of Obito which transmigrated into Kakashi which later shown symbolically young Obito inside Kakashi's mind talking with him.

I mean why should we take it literally while denying literal sense of Onmyoudon statement ?

Please explain I am curious.

Also about Kamui but saying it didn't live up to it's hype I meant Kamui would have to be tested against each and every technique of shinobi to live up fully to it's hype.

What weapon? The premise of kamui being unblock able can be backed by the feats of it never being blocked, except by itself. Since a technique can't rise above itself (raikiri pierces all means it would peirce raikiri) It has however broke through onmyoudon's attempt to block it. Proving most(if not all) it's hype.

Symbolic? No the only reason only his chakra came back is because only the chakra left. Why would something as impure as human body be in the pure world? When have you ever saw something other than chakra come from the pure world?

Because it proved onmyoudon hype to be false while it's hype remains true, then it went up against the god of nv(st user) and still came out on top(proving more of its already proven hype).

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Kamui ripped up the Gedo Mazo, which not even the full weight of the moon could crush. Kamui is call Authority of God for a reason.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Obito returned to his ashes then in form of chakra jumped to kakashi, kakashi wasnt transmigrant, transmigrants dont talk with their chosen, kakashi was a jin of Obito basically.
They were also shown in grown forms, it was just symbolic as Obito returned to old(kid) self.

Kamui was tested vs TSB w/ onmyudon (huge hype) and later took a dump on kaguya (max hype) and even meaning of death itself U_U.

Kamui(Intangibility) also renders IT and KA useless both OP and hyped as ****.

Nothing lives up to hype like kamui does.

Obito didn't return from after life. Basically he was between Pure and impure world just Like Kakashi when he had his talk with his father. All of that was only shown for symbolic purpouse.

the chakra of Obito simply didn't leave Obito's ashes yet and for that was symoblic meaning of Obito's return.

What happened was simple Obito's chakra left Obito's ashes and transfered into Kakashi who was close to Obito's ashes.

@ bold part, please elaborate. I didn't see Kamui being used on Kaguya's TSB.

What weapon? The premise of kamui being unblock able can be backed by the feats of it never being blocked, except by itself. Since a technique can't rise above itself (raikiri pierces all means it would peirce raikiri) It has however broke through onmyoudon's attempt to block it. Proving most(if not all) it's hype.

Symbolic? No the only reason only his chakra came back is because only the chakra left. Why would something as impure as human body be in the pure world? When have you ever saw something other than chakra come from the pure world?

Because it proved onmyoudon hype to be false while it's hype remains true, then it went up against the god of nv(st user) and still came out on top(proving more of its already proven hype).

The "weapon" I talked about was dehyping something by stating it was no meant to take literally or it was only for symbolic purpouse I as stated.

Obito didn't return from after life. Basically he was between Pure and impure world just Like Kakashi when he had his talk with his father. All of that was only shown for symbolic purpouse.

the chakra of Obito simply didn't leave Obito's ashes yet and for that was symoblic meaning of Obito's return.

What happened was simple Obito's chakra left Obito's ashes and transfered into Kakashi who was close to Obito's ashes.

hmm... Onmyoudon with no physcial contact would prove otherwise.

However canon Onmyoudon with NEED of physcial contact, yes you are right.

Kamui ripped up the Gedo Mazo, which not even the full weight of the moon could crush. Kamui is call Authority of God for a reason.

^^ how durable is Gedo Mazou ? do we even know it ?
Yeah it is, however the name should be taken literally yeah ?

wasn't it something you taught me ?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

The "weapon" I talked about was dehyping something by stating it was no meant to take literally or it was only for symbolic purpouse I as stated.

Obito didn't return from after life. Basically he was between Pure and impure world just Like Kakashi when he had his talk with his father. All of that was only shown for symbolic purpouse.

the chakra of Obito simply didn't leave Obito's ashes yet and for that was symoblic meaning of Obito's return.

What happened was simple Obito's chakra left Obito's ashes and transfered into Kakashi who was close to Obito's ashes.

hmm... Onmyoudon with no physcial contact would prove otherwise.

However canon Onmyoudon with NEED of physcial contact, yes you are right.

That wasn't the reason you were proven wrong. The reason you were incorrect was because the only thing you had to your premise was your premise. Whereas kamui has feats (warping the unwarpable.) To back up its premise.

No obito flat out said chakra is what connects the two worlds. He went from the pure world back to the impure world via kamui. Your interpretation is not only baseless but false since even in kakashi's case kakashi was confirmed (by tsunade and Naruto) dead. Had he not been completely dead rinne tensai wouldn't work on him.

Everything thing else was already addressed

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

That wasn't the reason you were proven wrong. The reason you were incorrect was because the only thing you had to your premise was your premise. Whereas kamui has feats (warping the unwarpable.) To back up its premise.

No obito flat out said chakra is what connects the two worlds. He went from the pure world back to the impure world via kamui. Your interpretation is not only baseless but false since even in kakashi's case kakashi was confirmed (by tsunade and Naruto) dead. Had he not been completely dead rinne tensai wouldn't work on him.

Everything thing else was already addressed

However it doesn't exclude of possibility Kakashi being trapped between after life and real world. This what I got from the manga Kakashi died but didn't enter after life yet, that where he had his talk with father.

The same case seems to be for Obito and Rin... Imo it sounds reasonable what I said.

 

[Benjamin King]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

^^ how durable is Gedo Mazou

Durable enough to be core of the moon for centuries.​