Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

[KCMNaruto]

Hi, I would like to see if people agree with this statement or not.

Usage

The Truth-Seeking Balls can be shaped into a variety of forms, allowing them the flexibility to be used for offensive, defensive, and supplementary purposes. Obito Uchiha shaped the balls by having them pierce through holes that temporarily formed in his hands,[4] whereas other users forego this process and simply mould them.[5] The balls can wrap around the user to act as a defensive shield,[6] or be launched to serve as high-speed projectiles.[7] They are also capable of causing massive explosions by rapidly expanding in size.[8]

According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, this technique uses attacks that instantly turn their target to dust, similar to Dust Release, but the technique's fluid nature allows it to serve both offensive and defensive purposes, and it can be maintained. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is a combination of more than three nature transformations, it is neither a kekkei genkai nor kekkei tōta, but greater than both.[4] This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

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I guess it is manga fact, so Onmyoudon/Yin-Yang release > Kamui, Hirashin, Space time barrier, Enton etc.

Also just estabilishing goudama != Onmyoudon

agree or disagree? [with reasons only]

 

[Angelic.]

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kamui owned already. gg god powers

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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[NukaCola]

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That is not ninjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Thread over. Kamui is Space Time Ninjutsu yet it opened a hole in the Gudo Dama. Space Time Barrier will warp them. Hiraishin will warp them. Kamui has already canonically warped them.

What is even the point of this thread? Lol.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

kamui owned already. gg god powers

no reason ?, fanboy spotted Lol

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didn't read ? ignorant spotted

That is not ninjutsu.

^^ True, first good post here [claps]

Thread over. Kamui is Space Time Ninjutsu yet it opened a hole in the Gudo Dama. Space Time Barrier will warp them. Hiraishin will warp them. Kamui has already canonically warped them.

What is even the point of this thread? Lol.

didn't read ? no need to post then

read bold one statement:

Usage

The Truth-Seeking Balls can be shaped into a variety of forms, allowing them the flexibility to be used for offensive, defensive, and supplementary purposes. Obito Uchiha shaped the balls by having them pierce through holes that temporarily formed in his hands,[4] whereas other users forego this process and simply mould them.[5] The balls can wrap around the user to act as a defensive shield,[6] or be launched to serve as high-speed projectiles.[7] They are also capable of causing massive explosions by rapidly expanding in size.[8]

According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, this technique uses attacks that instantly turn their target to dust, similar to Dust Release, but the technique's fluid nature allows it to serve both offensive and defensive purposes, and it can be maintained. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is a combination of more than three nature transformations, it is neither a kekkei genkai nor kekkei tōta, but greater than both.[4] This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

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[3MESSIAH]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Well yes,agreed...but the thing about onmyoudon and gudoudama being the same thing is still unconfirmed in my view

 

[Draw]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

^^^ Kakashi is Kamuing a part of the gudodama

 

[Draphsin]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

There are some flaws with this theory.

Double kamui is faster than the speed of gudo damas [

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Kamui can warp gudo damas [

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Kamui can warp chakra that would otherwise be impossible to touch [

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The feats heavily imply that kamui, or even FTG for that matter has a chance to deal with TSBs, minato was able to render them useless due to his s/t jutsu.

Definitely opinion based, but from what I've seen s/t jutsus seem to be a decent counter to those gudo damas, especially considering the wielder of them is most likely a JJ.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Well yes,agreed...but the thing about onmyoudon and gudoudama being the same thing is still unconfirmed in my view

Usage

The Truth-Seeking Balls can be shaped into a variety of forms, allowing them the flexibility to be used for offensive, defensive, and supplementary purposes. Obito Uchiha shaped the balls by having them pierce through holes that temporarily formed in his hands,[4] whereas other users forego this process and simply mould them.[5] The balls can wrap around the user to act as a defensive shield,[6] or be launched to serve as high-speed projectiles.[7] They are also capable of causing massive explosions by rapidly expanding in size.[8]

According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, this technique uses attacks that instantly turn their target to dust, similar to Dust Release, but the technique's fluid nature allows it to serve both offensive and defensive purposes, and it can be maintained. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is a combination of more than three nature transformations, it is neither a kekkei genkai nor kekkei tōta, but greater than both.[4] This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

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and Viz differ them, so they are not the same.

^^^ Kakashi is Kamuing a part of the gudodama

True, and goudama != Onmyoudon

There are some flaws with this theory.

Double kamui is faster than the speed of gudo damas [

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]

Kamui can warp gudo damas [

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]

Kamui can warp chakra that would otherwise be impossible to touch [

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]

The feats heavily imply that kamui, or even FTG for that matter has a chance to deal with TSBs, minato was able to render them useless due to his s/t jutsu.

Definitely opinion based, but from what I've seen s/t jutsus seem to be a decent counter to those gudo damas, especially considering the wielder of them is most likely a JJ.

^^ I agree with everything you posted, except there is one problem.

Goudama/Truth seeking balls != Onmyoudon/Yin-Yang release

from wiki:

This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

no reason ?, fanboy spotted Lol



didn't read ? ignorant spotted



^^ True, first good post here [claps]



didn't read ? no need to post then

read bold one statement:

Usage

The Truth-Seeking Balls can be shaped into a variety of forms, allowing them the flexibility to be used for offensive, defensive, and supplementary purposes. Obito Uchiha shaped the balls by having them pierce through holes that temporarily formed in his hands,[4] whereas other users forego this process and simply mould them.[5] The balls can wrap around the user to act as a defensive shield,[6] or be launched to serve as high-speed projectiles.[7] They are also capable of causing massive explosions by rapidly expanding in size.[8]

According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, this technique uses attacks that instantly turn their target to dust, similar to Dust Release, but the technique's fluid nature allows it to serve both offensive and defensive purposes, and it can be maintained. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is a combination of more than three nature transformations, it is neither a kekkei genkai nor kekkei tōta, but greater than both.[4] This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

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Lol, Dafuq? After getting control, Gudo Dama carries the abilities of Onmyoton, which negate Ninjutsu.

1. Madara was in control.

2. Kamui still ripped the Gudo Dama open.

3. Thus S/T Ninjutsu can't be negated.

 

[Sound]

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Wtf is this Fail? Thread already got owned on 2nd reply. Kamui already shat on Gudo Dama. I'll post this again.

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[KCMNaruto]

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Lol, Dafuq? After getting control, Gudo Dama carries the abilities of Onmyoton, which negate Ninjutsu.

1. Madara was in control.

2. Kamui still ripped the Gudo Dama open.

3. Thus S/T Ninjutsu can't be negated.

@ bold part was it stated or deduced from manga scans ?

If former then ok, if latter then it is your your opinion, sorry.

Was it even stated Juubi Jinchurki can use Onmyoudon applied to goudama constantly/all the time ?

If yes,then I shut my mouth else I believe there must be drawback to it, as Itachi stated: "Every technique has weakness."

It's weakness would be use for short amount of time and having cooldown time to use it, another would be need to focus to use it actively instead of using it as passive ability applied to goudama every time.

Wtf is this Fail? Thread already got owned on 2nd reply. Kamui already shat on Gudo Dama. I'll post this again.

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and once again, didn't read ?, yeah ?

then I will repeat: Goudama != Onmyoudon

 

[3MESSIAH]

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Usage

The Truth-Seeking Balls can be shaped into a variety of forms, allowing them the flexibility to be used for offensive, defensive, and supplementary purposes. Obito Uchiha shaped the balls by having them pierce through holes that temporarily formed in his hands,[4] whereas other users forego this process and simply mould them.[5] The balls can wrap around the user to act as a defensive shield,[6] or be launched to serve as high-speed projectiles.[7] They are also capable of causing massive explosions by rapidly expanding in size.[8]

According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, this technique uses attacks that instantly turn their target to dust, similar to Dust Release, but the technique's fluid nature allows it to serve both offensive and defensive purposes, and it can be maintained. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is a combination of more than three nature transformations, it is neither a kekkei genkai nor kekkei tōta, but greater than both.[4] This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

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and Viz differ them, so they are not the same.



True, and goudama != Onmyoudon



^^ I agree with everything you posted, except there is one problem.

Goudama/Truth seeking balls != Onmyoudon/Yin-Yang release

from wiki:

This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

Meh the wiki is not created by kishi....the way it seems to me is that only that black rod which obito used to cut away minato's arm possessed onmyoudon...and nadara's rod as well....there is a possibility that there is a difference between TSB and onmyoudon....maybe onmyoudon and TSB can be used both separately and combined?it doesnt neccessarily mean they are the same thing because i am sure kakashi warped some of gudoudama which shouldnt be possible if gudoudama=onmyoudon

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Both Kamui and ftg shat on tsb.
If it canceled ninjutsu minato wouldn't be able to ftg with it on him. Yet he did it thrice(first time unintentionally)
Kamui crapped on it.

In the face of St techs tsb are.... you know the quote.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

The wiki is not a reliable source, at all.
Also, Gudoudama and Onmyoudan are not the same, very different actually.

 

[Sound]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

@ bold part was it stated or deduced from manga scans ?

If former then ok, if latter then it is your your opinion, sorry.

Was it even stated Juubi Jinchurki can use Onmyoudon applied to goudama constantly/all the time ?

If yes,then I shut my mouth else I believe there must be drawback to it, as Itachi stated: "Every technique has weakness."

It's weakness would be use for short amount of time and having cooldown time to use it, another would be need to focus to use it actively instead of using it as passive ability applied to goudama every time.



and once again, didn't read ?, yeah ?

then I will repeat: Goudama != Onmyoudon

Lel why would Minato go SM to attack JJ Madara with Senjutsu if every ninjutsu worked on him?
Conscious JJ use Ying-Yang release on TSB.​

 

[3MESSIAH]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

@ bold part was it stated or deduced from manga scans ?

If former then ok, if latter then it is your your opinion, sorry.

Was it even stated Juubi Jinchurki can use Onmyoudon applied to goudama constantly/all the time ?

If yes,then I shut my mouth else I believe there must be drawback to it, as Itachi stated: "Every technique has weakness."

It's weakness would be use for short amount of time and having cooldown time to use it, another would be need to focus to use it actively instead of using it as passive ability applied to goudama every time.



and once again, didn't read ?, yeah ?

then I will repeat: Goudama != Onmyoudon

Ok this explanation kind of would make sense....gudoudama having the power of onmyoudon but onmyoudon needs to be aactivated first...it isnt always active so this would explain how kakashi warped it...plausible

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

Meh the wiki is not created by kishi....the way it seems to me is that only that black rod which obito used to cut away minato's arm possessed onmyoudon...and nadara's rod as well....there is a possibility that there is a difference between TSB and onmyoudon....maybe onmyoudon and TSB can be used both separately and combined?it doesnt neccessarily mean they are the same thing because i am sure kakashi warped some of gudoudama which shouldnt be possible if gudoudama=onmyoudon

^^ True, rep for wise words.

Both Kamui and ftg shat on tsb.
If it canceled ninjutsu minato wouldn't be able to ftg with it on him. Yet he did it thrice(first time unintentionally)
Kamui crapped on it.

In the face of St techs tsb are.... you know the quote.

Madara was was unable to act properly as he was in hurry to save his ass shielding himself with goudama, and we know how Kakashi shocked him to warp part of it using Kamui. Same way Minato was able to this, only because Madara has no time to use Onmyoudon and keep it maintaned.

The wiki is not a reliable source, at all.
Also, Gudoudama and Onmyoudan are not the same, very different actually.

^^ Exactly, glad you see it.

Lel why would Minato go SM to attack JJ Madara with Senjutsu if every ninjutsu worked on him?
Conscious JJ use Ying-Yang release on TSB.​

Simple because there was ALWAYS POSSIBILITY and RISK of Madara applying Yin-Yang release to goudama, Minato didn't want to take a risk.

It was never stated if Yin-Yang release can be applied to goudama all the time with no drawback, yeah ?

Based on how only two times it was used we can conclude there must be some drawback to use of it. Hard to maintain , short amount of lasting, cooldown time between use, all of that are possibilities

 

[The Legendary Noob]

Re: Onmyoudon > Ninjutsu [Space time techniques included as being apart of Ninjutsu]

In terms of power to destroy anything it touches with no recoil whatsoever, yes.​

The wiki is not a reliable source, at all.
Also, Gudoudama and Onmyoudan are not the same, very different actually.

Aren't Truth Seeking Balls made from Onmyoton?​