1. So if no one learned it, how does Madara and Obito know about it and that it requires both Yin and Yang chakra?
2. Did he? or is this another assumption? They showed Madara because that was who Obito was pretending to be at the time and that is the image of Madara we recognize. We didn't know who was behind the mask.....Itachi told Sasuke about the EMS, the MS, and Madara's past.....guess that was false too then huh?
3. How would anyone know he has it unless he turns on the MS?
PS. I said "the end" because there technically isn't anything you can say to prove me wrong. The evidence I gave and the questions I posed have more support to my theory than yours. And you already messed your side of the argument up by contradicting yourself on multiple occasions, including accusing me of basing things off of unknown reasons when I in fact proved to you the opposite, and you're the one assuming that creation of all things was done in a certain manner without limitations....hence it being flawless
1. It was known about just no one knew exactly how to use it.
2. He did it on his own, this is fact. Itachi knows about lots of things, he is in the anbu meaning he would know alot past criminals and village matters of this sort, not only that but it is probably talked about on that script that only uchiha's can read, if not somthing about that sort of thing alteast. Dont accuse me of making assumptions if you yourself has no knowledge of facts on the subject.
3. Obviously any sensory type who knows shishui's chackra, especially hyugas can identify it.
Yet you have not proven me wrong since my theory is hypothetical and is not directly opposed to your theory. I suppose flawless isnt quite the right word to use for what you proudly post here. Dont get me wrong, I respect you i've seen some of the post you have done, simply you are wrong here.
obito was scared not because of power but knowledge, itiachi knew madrara(tobi) was obito, a secret that let out early enough could ruin the whole moons eye plan. after all if they knew it was a half-dead nearly powerless, uchia with only one sharrigan then they wouldnt have acted the same as thinking it was an all powerfull founder of the leaf only defeated by the most powerfull ninja since the sage. when "madrara" said he was gonna put the world to sleep with the moons eye plan they were like, omg he can really do that, with obito its more like, oh thats nice btw kakashi molded his whole life after you.
1. It was known about just no one knew exactly how to use it.
2. He did it on his own, this is fact. Itachi knows about lots of things, he is in the anbu meaning he would know alot past criminals and village matters of this sort, not only that but it is probably talked about on that script that only uchiha's can read, if not somthing about that sort of thing alteast. Dont accuse me of making assumptions if you yourself has no knowledge of facts on the subject.
3. Obviously any sensory type who knows shishui's chackra, especially hyugas can identify it.
Yet you have not proven me wrong since my theory is hypothetical and is not directly opposed to your theory. I suppose flawless isnt quite the right word to use for what you proudly post here. Dont get me wrong, I respect you i've seen some of the post you have done, simply you are wrong here.
obito was scared not because of power but knowledge, itiachi knew madrara(tobi) was obito, a secret that let out early enough could ruin the whole moons eye plan. after all if they knew it was a half-dead nearly powerless, uchia with only one sharrigan then they wouldnt have acted the same as thinking it was an all powerfull founder of the leaf only defeated by the most powerfull ninja since the sage. when "madrara" said he was gonna put the world to sleep with the moons eye plan they were like, omg he can really do that, with obito its more like, oh thats nice btw kakashi molded his whole life after you.
In fact he is underrated. Itachi did not figure out that Tobi was Obito, he believed he was Madara for a long time, in fact always. Obito have the best defense in Naruto without any doubts and the only reason why Kakashi figure it out was because they had same eyes/bla.
Obito's only weakness is a person that can use space time jutsu's (kakashi) but even then he still have the Rinnegan to use. He is OP, and he can summon the Gedo mazo without Rinnegan too.
You should read the post that I responded to before trying to call me out on it, I was referring to knowing about madara as MS in general not knowing obito's identity.
1. It was known about just no one knew exactly how to use it.
2. He did it on his own, this is fact. Itachi knows about lots of things, he is in the anbu meaning he would know alot past criminals and village matters of this sort, not only that but it is probably talked about on that script that only uchiha's can read, if not somthing about that sort of thing alteast. Dont accuse me of making assumptions if you yourself has no knowledge of facts on the subject.
3. Obviously any sensory type who knows shishui's chackra, especially hyugas can identify it.
Yet you have not proven me wrong since my theory is hypothetical and is not directly opposed to your theory. I suppose flawless isnt quite the right word to use for what you proudly post here. Dont get me wrong, I respect you i've seen some of the post you have done, simply you are wrong here.
and I respect you and your thoughts, but....Obito was not scared of Itachi....did he trust him? no. Were they cautious of each other? yes. Did they respect each other? Yes.
Obito was never shown to have feared anything, except when kabuto showed him Madara's body....even then he laughed afterwards. If he's not afraid of edo Madara, then how's he afraid of Itachi?
When people make vs threads with Itachi, they always act like KA is a sure thing....if it misses, he won't be able to use it again in years time. Obito was even able to dodge the mind-body switch technique from behind....this is an invisible tech mind you. If he can dodge that so easily, who's to say that he can't dodge KA?
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Not to mention bringing up KA is like bringing up the juubi as part a characters arsenal.....KA isn't Itachi's ability and yet everyone puts their faith in it and overrate Itachi because of it. Without KA, Itachi would be outmatched in taijutsu, and I already gave evidence in my previous comments as ways that Obito can counter every move of Itachi's.
Itachi doesn't even know about Izanagi, which would catch him off guard like it did with Konan. He could fool him into believing he was sealed and stab him from behind.
Itachi doesn't know about kamui and doesn't really have anything to counter against it which can outmaneuver his susanoo and pass its defense. Minato at least had FTG to surprise a 15 year old Obito. Obito isn't an idiot and cannot be outsmarted so easily.
People always keep bringing up that Itachi is the smartest person ever, but that's not true. We don't know that...his calm and cool personality is what fools people into believing that assumption. He's not the only character with good analytical skills....but if we're basing intelligence of feats from the manga, Obito certainly has more.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Itachi can't win against Obito. I love Itachi, he's one of my favorite characters, but it's frustrating as how much people overrate him...it's ridiculous. Is it likely that he can win on average? No. Is it possible for him to win against Obito? Yeah. But Obito stands a better chance.
Would Kishi really make a character to be one of the central, most important villains, who is pretty much the "dark naruto" weaker than his subordinate? I highly doubt it. Villains tend to be the most powerful, until the main heroes surpass them.
You should read the post that I responded to before trying to call me out on it, I was referring to knowing about madara as MS in general not knowing obito's identity.
and I respect you and your thoughts, but....Obito was not scared of Itachi....did he trust him? no. Were they cautious of each other? yes. Did they respect each other? Yes.
Obito was never shown to have feared anything, except when kabuto showed him Madara's body....even then he laughed afterwards. If he's not afraid of edo Madara, then how's he afraid of Itachi?
When people make vs threads with Itachi, they always act like KA is a sure thing....if it misses, he won't be able to use it again in years time. Obito was even able to dodge the mind-body switch technique from behind....this is an invisible tech mind you. If he can dodge that so easily, who's to say that he can't dodge KA?
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Not to mention bringing up KA is like bringing up the juubi as part a characters arsenal.....KA isn't Itachi's ability and yet everyone puts their faith in it and overrate Itachi because of it. Without KA, Itachi would be outmatched in taijutsu, and I already gave evidence in my previous comments as ways that Obito can counter every move of Itachi's.
Itachi doesn't even know about Izanagi, which would catch him off guard like it did with Konan. He could fool him into believing he was sealed and stab him from behind.
Itachi doesn't know about kamui and doesn't really have anything to counter against it which can outmaneuver his susanoo and pass its defense. Minato at least had FTG to surprise a 15 year old Obito. Obito isn't an idiot and cannot be outsmarted so easily.
People always keep bringing up that Itachi is the smartest person ever, but that's not true. We don't know that...his calm and cool personality is what fools people into believing that assumption. He's not the only character with good analytical skills....but if we're basing intelligence of feats from the manga, Obito certainly has more.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Itachi can't win against Obito. I love Itachi, he's one of my favorite characters, but it's frustrating as how much people overrate him...it's ridiculous. Is it likely that he can win on average? No. Is it possible for him to win against Obito? Yeah. But Obito stands a better chance.
Would Kishi really make a character to be one of the central, most important villains, who is pretty much the "dark naruto" weaker than his subordinate? I highly doubt it. Villains tend to be the most powerful, until the main heroes surpass them.
I never thought that Obito feared Itachi but there are suspicions like why keep a man alive & respect all of his wishes when you have little to benifit from him being around? For the most part I think he respected Itachi & the manga supports this when you take note of his interactions with others.
Obito showed Itachi more respect than he ever did any other Uchiha/character in the story for the most part and that speaks volume .. as for fear, that is inconclusive.
I never thought that Obito feared Itachi but there are suspicions like why keep a man alive & respect all of his wishes when you have little to benifit from him being around? For the most part I think he respected Itachi & the manga supports this when you take not of his interactions with others.
Obito showed Itachi more respect than he ever did any other Uchiha/character in the story for the most part and that speaks volume .. as for fear, that is inconclusive.
exactly.....yet people think because Obito is a man of his word and didn't attack Konoha until Itachi's death that he feared him and that whole deal with the surprise attack amaterasu.
exactly.....yet people think because Obito is a man of his word and didn't attack Konoha until Itachi's death that he feared him and that whole deal with the surprise attack amaterasu.
I believe we already went through this after pages of comments.
Him being a thorn in his side doesn't mean he was scared, but felt obligated to uphold his word. Itachi upheld his word by helping akatsuki and letting "Madara" get revenge against the Uchiha.
The least Obito could do as payment is keep his word.
Itachi posed a significant threat to Obito thus that adds to his legacy as the pound for pound greatest uchiha to ever live (second only to Madara) and that there is no conclusive evidence that can prove that Obito feared the man without a shadow of doubt, therefore he isn't/wasn't until proven otherwise.
Itachi posed a significant threat to Obito thus that adds to his legacy as the pound for pound greatest uchiha to ever live (second only to Madara) and that there is no conclusive evidence that can prove that Obito feared the man without a shadow of doubt, therefore he isn't/wasn't until proven otherwise.
OMG This is still going on? its obvious current obito>itachi. It they had a fight itachi would lose. he isn't getting past kamui nor does he have an attack that is continuous for 5 mins.
