Obito was not scared of Itachi

[UchihaInza]

itachi punked everyone in akatsuki..everyone was scared of him XD

 

[Tobiko]

Tobi stated that if he didn't kept some secrest from him we'd be dead. And i do also agree that Obito feared Nagato, either way he would "ressed" Madara a long ago and also stealed his Rinnegan.

 

[Narutoboss222]

I agree

See.......this is a person who has sense.

 

[Hendykombat]

actually kisame was a member before itachi. it was displayed in the anime. ;-).
Jesus luvs u.

 

[celarian]

So he would just risk Obito destroying Konoha and taking control over the world, harming/using Sasuke in the process?

Obito knows of shishui's ability. If you don't recall, he knew that Danzo had it.

If you also recall, when Danzo was using KA on mifune, he had to focus it on him in order to work. As soon as he stopped focusing it on him, Mifune broke out. It's pretty hard to focus on a moving target in battle, especially one that can teleport around.

Also Danzo awakened Shishui's eye, near the end of the battle with Sasuke, but contemplated throwing it away for Izanagi....why would he do that if it was so powerfu? And not to mention that he still didn't even have time to cast it and Sasuke stabbed him and karin.

KA has its flaws, just like every other tech.

1. Obito would be dead.
2. Obito knows not of the crow, or of genjutsu using crows. And would not fear any animal. The second it catches his eye hes toast, it has to catch his eye or he would never know that it had a difference between the other crows.
3. I told you that obito usually has to come close, unlike kakashi, so for a extremely coordinated, and skilled itachi, its not hard to find a time were he is standing still or moving at low speed. Also if obito is standing when he looks at the crow, which he will be if its a time before the fight has become heated, then hes also toast. Plus its a one on one battle.
4. This is not a debate over Danzo's rationality, plus sasuke knows that danzo's particular eye has poweful genjutsu, and inzanagi is more important for his survival, which is its main purpose for him, so its more valuable to him than a genjutsu. While obito knows nothing of the "Crows" Genjutsu.

5. Creation of all things = Tech= No flaws

Come on Give me something difficult.

 

[Draphsin]

1. Obito would be dead.
2. Obito knows not of the crow, or of genjutsu using crows. And would not fear any animal. The second it catches his eye hes toast, it has to catch his eye or he would never know that it had a difference between the other crows.
3. I told you that obito usually has to come close, unlike kakashi, so for a extremely coordinated, and skilled itachi, its not hard to find a time were he is standing still or moving at low speed. Also if obito is standing when he looks at the crow, which he will be if its a time before the fight has become heated, then hes also toast. Plus its a one on one battle.
4. This is not a debate over Danzo's rationality, plus sasuke knows that danzo's particular eye has poweful genjutsu, and inzanagi is more important for his survival, which is its main purpose for him, so its more valuable to him than a genjutsu. While obito knows nothing of the "Crows" Genjutsu.

5. Creation of all things = Tech= No flaws

Come on Give me something difficult.

lol you think obito wouldnt be able to sense genjutsu? obito can erase his chakra completely (like muu) so itachi wouldnt be able to see him comming. Itachi is not a sensor he stated it himself

 

[celarian]

lol you think obito wouldnt be able to sense genjutsu? obito can erase his chakra completely (like muu) so itachi wouldnt be able to see him comming. Itachi is not a sensor he stated it himself

It doesnt matter what he can sense, the fact is the crow would catch his eye, and the second he is in the jutsu he doesnt know because you cannot tell when you are under it, therefor it doesnt matter if he can sense it.

 

[Lightbringer]

1. Obito would be dead.
2. Obito knows not of the crow, or of genjutsu using crows. And would not fear any animal. The second it catches his eye hes toast, it has to catch his eye or he would never know that it had a difference between the other crows.
3. I told you that obito usually has to come close, unlike kakashi, so for a extremely coordinated, and skilled itachi, its not hard to find a time were he is standing still or moving at low speed. Also if obito is standing when he looks at the crow, which he will be if its a time before the fight has become heated, then hes also toast. Plus its a one on one battle.
4. This is not a debate over Danzo's rationality, plus sasuke knows that danzo's particular eye has poweful genjutsu, and inzanagi is more important for his survival, which is its main purpose for him, so its more valuable to him than a genjutsu. While obito knows nothing of the "Crows" Genjutsu.

5. Creation of all things = Tech= No flaws

Come on Give me something difficult.

LOL except you eluded to answer why Itachi didn't use KA on Obito then hmm? For the sake of Sasuke? BS.....I just gave you a reason why it was more important to stop Obito since he would aim to use Sasuke and dominate the world, destroying konoha in the process and rendering Itachi's sacrifice meaningless. Is KA better spent on Sasuke or Obito from what I just said?

If Itachi is so smart, then the obvious answer to that question would be Obito. If it was Sasuke, then you can't say Itachi's smart.

and him not using KA on Obito must mean he's scared to do so or knows it won't work.

and likewise for Itachi if he looks at Obito then.

Considering that the plan is called "Infinite Tsukuyomi" Obito most likely has tsukuyomi as well....and his one eye was powerful enough to control a yagura, "perfect jinchuriki".....Bee said that perfect jinchuriki's can snap out of genjutsu with the bijuu's help.

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Considering that he was able to do this means that his genjutsu is one of the most advanced in the series.

You can't seal what you can't hit....and it has already been proven that for something to be seal with the Totsuka sword, you have to pierce the target, not slash them.

Here we see Susanoo slashing at Oro's serpent, cutting its heads of and not sealing it.

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and here we see Itachi pierce Oro, not slash him....which got him sealed. Same with Nagato....all of his targets were stationary, not moving....and Obito's fast.

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Obito can dodge 4 people at once....he fought Kakashi, Naruto, Bee, and Guy with only taijutsu......yet Itachi couldn't keep up with Kabuto in taijutsu.

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As I already mentioned, Obito is also in control of the Gedo Mazou. He can control it with just his sharingan and senju cells, without the need of the rinnegan.

Creation of all things probably can't be done without hosting the juubi. We saw Madara needing to siphon the power of the gedo and senju DNA to create zetsu, yet the his technique wasn't the creation of all things.....we also don't know if things can be created in an instant or take time.....which makes it a flaw.

you make it too easy for me

 

[Draphsin]

It doesnt matter what he can sense, the fact is the crow would catch his eye, and the second he is in the jutsu he doesnt know because you cannot tell when you are under it, therefor it doesnt matter if he can sense it.

Yes it does, sharingan can feel the chakra pressure and see the chakra. Genjutsu wont work, but this isnt a vs thread. The fact that Itachi trusted obito was his downfall, at any point in the manga obito could've appeared behind itachi and kamui'd the sh*t out of him. if obito was at all scared of itachi he wouldve done away with him long ago..

 

[celarian]

Yes it does, sharingan can feel the chakra pressure and see the chakra. Genjutsu wont work, but this isnt a vs thread. The fact that Itachi trusted obito was his downfall, at any point in the manga obito could've appeared behind itachi and kamui'd the sh*t out of him. if obito was at all scared of itachi he wouldve done away with him long ago..

The second he sees the crow is unusual he is toast. he wont have time to analyse because he will see the eye.

 

[Draphsin]

The second he sees the crow is unusual he is toast. he wont have time to analyse because he will see the eye.

you dont get it, he doesnt need to look into his eye, he can dissapear. if obito wanted to he could observe itachi from a distance and kamui him from behind...if anything obito was scared of KA and thats assuming he even knew about it. Also tsukyomi has prep time so if youre saying hes toast due to that your wrong cuz as i said, kamui's faster than tsukyomi. If youre just referring to regular genjutsu then your also wrong as obito could break out of it, sharingan can do that, oh lets also not forget about izagani

 

[celarian]

LOL except you eluded to answer why Itachi didn't use KA on Obito then hmm? For the sake of Sasuke? BS.....I just gave you a reason why it was more important to stop Obito since he would aim to use Sasuke and dominate the world, destroying konoha in the process and rendering Itachi's sacrifice meaningless. Is KA better spent on Sasuke or Obito from what I just said?

If Itachi is so smart, then the obvious answer to that question would be Obito. If it was Sasuke, then you can't say Itachi's smart.

and him not using KA on Obito must mean he's scared to do so or knows it won't work.

and likewise for Itachi if he looks at Obito then.

Considering that the plan is called "Infinite Tsukuyomi" Obito most likely has tsukuyomi as well....and his one eye was powerful enough to control a yagura, "perfect jinchuriki".....Bee said that perfect jinchuriki's can snap out of genjutsu with the bijuu's help.

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Considering that he was able to do this means that his genjutsu is one of the most advanced in the series.

You can't seal what you can't hit....and it has already been proven that for something to be seal with the Totsuka sword, you have to pierce the target, not slash them.

Here we see Susanoo slashing at Oro's serpent, cutting its heads of and not sealing it.

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and here we see Itachi pierce Oro, not slash him....which got him sealed. Same with Nagato....all of his targets were stationary, not moving....and Obito's fast.

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Obito can dodge 4 people at once....he fought Kakashi, Naruto, Bee, and Guy with only taijutsu......yet Itachi couldn't keep up with Kabuto in taijutsu.

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As I already mentioned, Obito is also in control of the Gedo Mazou. He can control it with just his sharingan and senju cells, without the need of the rinnegan.

Creation of all things probably can't be done without hosting the juubi. We saw Madara needing to siphon the power of the gedo and senju DNA to create zetsu, yet the his technique wasn't the creation of all things.....we also don't know if things can be created in an instant or take time.....which makes it a flaw.

you make it too easy for me

1. He never knew obito's plans, he made a deal with obito that he so far had followed, so there was no reason to. He could have if obito attacked the village a second time when he was still alive, but he didnt. dont overestimate him, he doesnt know everything.
2. Itachi knows that obito is uchiha and can use genjutsu, obito must realize there is a difference in the crow, and on realizing it has a sharingan, he is toast. Itachi already knew he was uchiha so he has no need to look in obito's eye.
3. The name of the plan has nothing to do with abilities.
4. For the last time, it doesnt matter what he has to counter because he does not know he is under a genjutsu when it is over him.
5. His genjutsu is not more powerful than Shishui's end of story.
6. I never mentioned susanoo.
7. Im sure itachi, can dodge 4 people. Kabuto is could kill Kakashi, Naruto, Bee, and Guy at this time at the same time.
8. Itachi fought the entire police force and won, and before you say they were asleep, it is depicted that he fought those who resisted in the street, im sure they didnt wake up in the street.
9. Creation of all things doesnt require 10 tails, it requires yin-yang release, which S6P controls. And you cant create flaws based on unknowns.

 

[celarian]

you dont get it, he doesnt need to look into his eye, he can dissapear. if obito wanted to he could observe itachi from a distance and kamui him from behind...if anything obito was scared of KA and thats assuming he even knew about it. Also tsukyomi has prep time so if youre saying hes toast due to that your wrong cuz as i said, kamui's faster than tsukyomi. If youre just referring to regular genjutsu then your also wrong as obito could break out of it, sharingan can do that, oh lets also not forget about izagani

Itachi wouldnt show the bird until he knew obito was there, thats common since. And obito wouldnt disapear because a crow is flying by.

 

[Draphsin]

1. He never knew obito's plans, he made a deal with obito that he so far had followed, so there was no reason to. He could have if obito attacked the village a second time when he was still alive, but he didnt. dont overestimate him, he doesnt know everything.
2. Itachi knows that obito is uchiha and can use genjutsu, obito must realize there is a difference in the crow, and on realizing it has a sharingan, he is toast. Itachi already knew he was uchiha so he has no need to look in obito's eye.
6. I never mentioned susanoo.

1. acutally obito knows more than itachi, hes older and was taught by madara...
2. obito knows itachi is a uchiha well renown for his genjutsu so why would obito even think of directly confronting him, when he could kamui him?
6. i dont see how kamui wouldnt be able to get obito into susanoo, and besides the fight would be over before itachi even gets a chance to use it

Itachi wouldnt show the bird until he knew obito was there, thats common since. And obito wouldnt disapear because a crow is flying by.

LOL what crow? itachi cant cast genjutsu from a crow...smfh, the point is obito wouldnt let itachi know he was there

 

[celarian]

1. acutally obito knows more than itachi, hes older and was taught by madara...
2. obito knows itachi is a uchiha well renown for his genjutsu so why would obito even think of directly confronting him, when he could kamui him?
5. LMAO :sy:
6. i dont see how kamui wouldnt be able to get obito into susanoo, and besides the fight would be over before itachi even gets a chance to use it

1. I said dont overestimate him meaning itachi.
2. Kamui is direct confrontation, he cannot use it at long ranges like kakashi.
5. Lol sorry that was rash of me, but once under KA it cannot be countered.
6. I never said anything about susanoo in all the posts I put on this thread.

 

[Lightbringer]

1. He never knew obito's plans, he made a deal with obito that he so far had followed, so there was no reason to. He could have if obito attacked the village a second time when he was still alive, but he didnt. dont overestimate him, he doesnt know everything.
2. Itachi knows that obito is uchiha and can use genjutsu, obito must realize there is a difference in the crow, and on realizing it has a sharingan, he is toast. Itachi already knew he was uchiha so he has no need to look in obito's eye.
3. The name of the plan has nothing to do with abilities.
4. For the last time, it doesnt matter what he has to counter because he does not know he is under a genjutsu when it is over him.
5. His genjutsu is not more powerful than Shishui's end of story.
6. I never mentioned susanoo.
7. Im sure itachi, can dodge 4 people. Kabuto is could kill Kakashi, Naruto, Bee, and Guy at this time at the same time.
8. Itachi fought the entire police force and won, and before you say they were asleep, it is depicted that he fought those who resisted in the street, im sure they didnt wake up in the street.
9. Creation of all things doesnt require 10 tails, it requires yin-yang release, which S6P controls. And you cant create flaws based on unknowns.

You're starting to be sloppy.

1. So then th


2. So likewise for Obito, he doesn't need to look into his eyes. And to cast KA, you need to look into the crows eyes just like itachi did when he cast it on himself. Why would Obito look at a crow when he can sense Shishui's chakra which the sharingan can do....but not to the extent of the byakugan?

3. Actually yeah it does.....why would it be called Infinite Tsukuyomi if he's not using Tsukuyomi? Why didn't he call it infinite genjutsu, and not something as specific?

4. I already answered this

5. It's possibly more powerful than Itachi's though.

6. I was just giving you something more difficult

7. Maybe, but that doesn't mean Itachi can....Naruto's speed alone is on par with the raikage's now and Obito seemed to do pretty well 4v1.

8. No he didn't, Obito helped him.....that's how Sasuke was able to figure out he had an accomplice because he even said that he couldn't kill them all on his own.

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9. Yet we have never seen anyone do it or know of anyone else to have done it aside for the SO6P when he was host to the juubi to split it's power into 9 forms(the juubi's power, not create something out of nothing). We never seen what the ability does and you judge it likewise by just the name without having any info on it.

 

[celarian]

You're starting to be sloppy.

1. So then th


2. So likewise for Obito, he doesn't need to look into his eyes. And to cast KA, you need to look into the crows eyes just like itachi did when he cast it on himself. Why would Obito look at a crow when he can sense Shishui's chakra which the sharingan can do....but not to the extent of the byakugan?

3. Actually yeah it does.....why would it be called Infinite Tsukuyomi if he's not using Tsukuyomi? Why didn't he call it infinite genjutsu, and not something as specific?

4. I already answered this

5. It's possibly more powerful than Itachi's though.

6. I was just giving you something more difficult

7. Maybe, but that doesn't mean Itachi can....Naruto's speed alone is on par with the raikage's now and Obito seemed to do pretty well 4v1.

8. No he didn't, Obito helped him.....that's how Sasuke was able to figure out he had an accomplice because he even said that he couldn't kill them all on his own.

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9. Yet we have never seen anyone do it or know of anyone else to have done it aside for the SO6P when he was host to the juubi to split it's power into 9 forms(the juubi's power, not create something out of nothing). We never seen what the ability does and you judge it likewise by just the name without having any info on it.

My original post states that the bird is how itachi can get him, so thats all I am talking about.

These are out of order but
1. What? Werent you just talking about sloppiness?
2. So your saying that, obito will sense shishui's eye and not look to see who is there?
3. its reffering to the 10 tail's justsu called Infinite Tsukutomi..... How did you not know that?
4. Quote it plz
5. We arent talking about itachi's genjutsu
6. But it has nothing to do with my original post which you contested.
7. He didnt use his incredible speed while in direct combat with him and none of them attacked at the same time.
8. No he didnt, sasuke made an assumption, just like yourself
9. You continue to make assumptions based on thing you do not know. Got my info from Wik

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You cling desperately to your theory.

 

[Lightbringer]

My original post states that the bird is how itachi can get him, so thats all I am talking about.

These are out of order but
1. What? Werent you just talking about sloppiness?
2. So your saying that, obito will sense shishui's eye and not look to see who is there?
3. its reffering to the 10 tail's justsu called Infinite Tsukutomi..... How did you not know that?
4. Quote it plz
5. We arent talking about itachi's genjutsu
6. But it has nothing to do with my original post which you contested.
7. He didnt use his incredible speed while in direct combat with him and none of them attacked at the same time.
8. No he didnt, sasuke made an assumption, just like yourself
9. You continue to make assumptions based on thing you do not know. Got my info from Wik

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You cling desperately to your theory.

I'm not answering this in numbers. The thread is about why Obito isn't scared of Itachi and yet you started to bring KA to the matter which enable this into a vs debate. You're saying Obito doesn't know about Itachi's crow, so then why would he be afraid of something he doesn't know? End of story

You said Itachi didn't know any of Obito's plans.....so WTF did Itachi know? Obito said if Itachi knew his secrets, he would be dead now(dead from the surprise amaterasu, not from Itachi 1v1) so he obviously told secrets to Itachi. Why would he even go about telling secrets to Itachi if he was afraid of him? .....herp derp

The crow reacts to amaterasu......we have no knowledge of if Itachi can just sprout out KA whenever he desires...he didn't implant it within himself. He specifically rigged the crow, meaning it probably took time to set up. It was shown that Itachi had to look into the crows eye for it too work. So why would Obito look into its eye? He's not just going to look around at birds during a fight.

Sasuke's assumption is correct though, Itachi didn't kill everyone himself....he had help from Obito....that makes what Sasuke said was true. Itachi and even stated that "Madara" meaning Obito, was his mentor.

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Lol you're using wiki as a source? Yes it is the combination of yin and yang.....but I don't remember seeing anyone else use it. I don't remember seeing Madara or Obito do it, yet they have knowledge about it. You're making an assumption that it has no flaws based on things you don't know. I made a logical assumption based on the fact that the SO6P was the only known to use it while he was host to the juubi and created the bijuu from it's power, not from nothing....the end.

 

[celarian]

I'm not answering this in numbers. The thread is about why Obito isn't scared of Itachi and yet you started to bring KA to the matter which enable this into a vs debate. You're saying Obito doesn't know about Itachi's crow, so then why would he be afraid of something he doesn't know? End of story

You said Itachi didn't know any of Obito's plans.....so WTF did Itachi know? Obito said if Itachi knew his secrets, he would be dead now(dead from the surprise amaterasu, not from Itachi 1v1) so he obviously told secrets to Itachi. Why would he even go about telling secrets to Itachi if he was afraid of him? .....herp derp

The crow reacts to amaterasu......we have no knowledge of if Itachi can just sprout out KA whenever he desires...he didn't implant it within himself. He specifically rigged the crow, meaning it probably took time to set up. It was shown that Itachi had to look into the crows eye for it too work. So why would Obito look into its eye? He's not just going to look around at birds during a fight.

Sasuke's assumption is correct though, Itachi didn't kill everyone himself....he had help from Obito....that makes what Sasuke said was true. Itachi and even stated that "Madara" meaning Obito, was his mentor.

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Lol you're using wiki as a source? Yes it is the combination of yin and yang.....but I don't remember seeing anyone else use it. I don't remember seeing Madara or Obito do it, yet they have knowledge about it. You're making an assumption that it has no flaws based on things you don't know. I made a logical assumption based on the fact that the SO6P was the only known to use it while he was host to the juubi and created the bijuu from it's power, not from nothing....the end.

I know what the thread is for, im simply defending my post
1. no one knows how to use it because he created it and has been the only one in centuries who has had yin yang release. So no one was there to learn it or pass it down, besides no one had the capacity to use it at this time, and it was far to powerful for any one to have control over, so he probably didnt want to give away its secrets.
2. Itachi meant the real madara, not obito why do you think it showed madara's face. not obito, obito didnt actually teach itachi anything, and no he didnt. Itachi just didnt say anything because it didnt matter.
3. He didnt implant it in his own eye socket because he didnt want anyone to know he had it. Plus ive answered that countless times. He didnt use anything but his yin-yang release, for this is what is stated.

P.S. Saying "the end", doesn't finish me off like in video games.

 

[Lightbringer]

I know what the thread is for, im simply defending my post
1. no one knows how to use it because he created it and has been the only one in centuries who has had yin yang release. So no one was there to learn it or pass it down, besides no one had the capacity to use it at this time, and it was far to powerful for any one to have control over, so he probably didnt want to give away its secrets.
2. Itachi meant the real madara, not obito why do you think it showed madara's face. not obito, obito didnt actually teach itachi anything, and no he didnt. Itachi just didnt say anything because it didnt matter.
3. He didnt implant it in his own eye socket because he didnt want anyone to know he had it. Plus ive answered that countless times. He didnt use anything but his yin-yang release, for this is what is stated.

P.S. Saying "the end", doesn't finish me off like in video games.

1. So if no one learned it, how does Madara and Obito know about it and that it requires both Yin and Yang chakra?

2. Did he? or is this another assumption? They showed Madara because that was who Obito was pretending to be at the time and that is the image of Madara we recognize. We didn't know who was behind the mask.....Itachi told Sasuke about the EMS, the MS, and Madara's past.....guess that was false too then huh?

3. How would anyone know he has it unless he turns on the MS?

PS. I said "the end" because there technically isn't anything you can say to prove me wrong. The evidence I gave and the questions I posed have more support to my theory than yours. And you already messed your side of the argument up by contradicting yourself on multiple occasions, including accusing me of basing things off of unknown reasons when I in fact proved to you the opposite, and you're the one assuming that creation of all things was done in a certain manner without limitations....hence it being flawless