Sasuke didn't awaken the rinnegan due to hagoromo, he awaken it himself he met the requirements of going through death experience and obtaining both Indra and ashura cells/chakra, he awaken it the same way as Madara
As for the sage power up, hagoromo simply gave both Naruto and Sasuke his chakra plus the seals this allowed Sasuke to have sage powered chidori while Naruto had rikudo sage mode (kyuubi mode combined with sages chakra) plus healing abilities
If sealing kaguya equals to losing the seals
Releasing IT equals to losing sage chakra U_U
I have to yet agree aswell, the Data book usually provides substantial knowledge on the current events on the manga (Such as new techniques/etc) while some things are often taken for abuse, just as the Temari thing we discussed.
The sad truth is that we don't have much to base it on. I wish Kishimoto would write his own version of a Naruto wiki for us lol, but if he writes the Data books ... then let someone else do it xD.
For most of nb questions, kishi himself doesn't even know how to answer. If he tried to give a definite answer, his contradictions would be too obvious XD
Sasuke didn't awaken the rinnegan due to hagoromo, he awaken it himself he met the requirements of going through death experience and obtaining both Indra and ashura cells/chakra, he awaken it the same way as Madara
As for the sage power up, hagoromo simply gave both Naruto and Sasuke his chakra plus the seals this allowed Sasuke to have sage powered chidori while Naruto had rikudo sage mode (kyuubi mode combined with sages chakra)
If sealing kaguya equals to losing the seals
Releasing IT equals to losing sage chakra U_U
Naruto still has Rikudou Mode/Rikudou Sage Mode due to him becoming the Jinchuriki for all tailed beasts/Meeting the Sage (Or at least the other 10 people who have posted here, agree to that idea).
While Sasuke has the Sharringan due to him having Hashirama cells/Meeting the Sage.
Hence why his Rinnegan, is a Sharringan.
So I dunno what you are basing that idea from.
I see. When the powers themselves were questioned people used regular chakra logic when it seemed a bit indifferent to say otherwise when chakra itself was originally Ninshuu (used to connect people's feelings) instead of causing destruction. So I knew there was a way for chakra to continue on passed 'death' because they could still use their abilities as Hagoromo passed (For the sealing of Kaguya).
Pretty much. Another example is how Obito's soul migrated into Kakashi, I think it's basically that but Hagoromo could manifest his actual form.
Nah nah you're doing fine. It basically stated that Ashura/Indra transmigrates are able to meet Hagoromo (if he so wishes it) and they can receive the power to seal Kaguya. [/b]He never stated if the transmigrate gain the power of RSM/Sharringan[/b] but that's probably due to Naruto being a Jincuriki for all tailed beasts, and Sasuke getting Hashirama cells while being an Uchiha + Sage chakra = GG.
@Bold: Pretty sure they did though because it's Hagoromo's natural power, though I could be mistaken.
Pretty sure that Hashirama's cells didn't have anything to do with it, Senju is irrelevant to the equation and he was no longer Ashura's transmigration so he doesn't have that chakra inside him any more.
Sasuke didn't awaken the rinnegan due to hagoromo, he awaken it himself he met the requirements of going through death experience and obtaining both Indra and ashura cells/chakra, he awaken it the same way as Madara
As for the sage power up, hagoromo simply gave both Naruto and Sasuke his chakra plus the seals this allowed Sasuke to have sage powered chidori while Naruto had rikudo sage mode (kyuubi mode combined with sages chakra) plus healing abilities
If sealing kaguya equals to losing the seals
Releasing IT equals to losing sage chakra U_U
Naruto still hasRikudou Mode/Rikudou Sage Mode was due to him becoming the Jinchuriki for all tailed beasts (Or at least the other 10 people who have posted here, agree to that idea).
Naruto isn't the jinchuuriki of the tailed beast besides Kurama, he simply bears small amount their chakra
If he was the jinchuuriki of the tailed beast he would have been a juubi jin :|
Secondly do you understand what Rikudo Mode is?
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The Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo).[1] is achieved by Naruto through combining the chakra of the nine tailed beasts with the Six Paths Sage Chakra. It takes on a similar appearance as his Sage Mode, Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Tailed Beast Mode cloak. It enhances Naruto's abilities, allows him to use Truth-Seeking Balls, and enhance his Tailed Beast Mode cloak of Kurama as well.
"combining the chakra of the nine tailed beasts with the Six Paths Sage Chakra."
He managed to use RM by combining the chakra he received from the sage with his, no sage chakra equals no Rikudo Mode U_U
It's funny who you find my statement in your Sig funny, ever watched DBZ? How easy was it for Goten to achieve Super Saiyan compared to Gohan and Goku? I will gladly wait for your answer
Hagaromo gave Naruto his yang chakra, and Sasuke his yin chakra. In addition to the seals. The chakra Hagaromo gave Sasuke, caused him to awaken the Rinnegan, and the chakra he gave Naruto enabled him to activate the RSM.(since he already had the bijuus chakra inside of him). That's what I think. The seals were just to seal Kaguya, but the chakra is a permanent power up IMO.
Naruto isn't the jinchuuriki of the tailed beast besides Kurama, he simply bears small amount their chakra
If he was the jinchuuriki of the tailed beast he would have been a juubi jin :|
Secondly do you understand what Rikudo Mode is?
Read below
The Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo).[1] is achieved by Naruto through combining the chakra of the nine tailed beasts with the Six Paths Sage Chakra. It takes on a similar appearance as his Sage Mode, Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Tailed Beast Mode cloak. It enhances Naruto's abilities, allows him to use Truth-Seeking Balls, and enhance his Tailed Beast Mode cloak of Kurama as well.
"combining the chakra of the nine tailed beasts with the Six Paths Sage Chakra."
He managed to use RM by combining the chakra he received from the sage with his, no sage chakra equals no Rikudo Mode U_U
It's funny who you find my statement in your Sig funny, ever watched DBZ? How easy was it for Goten to achieve Super Saiyan compared to Gohan and Goku? I will gladly wait for your answer
You're confusing awakening power and given power; they're both different concept. For this case, it's the latter because we have seen Hagoromo splitting his power in half and handing them each to Sasuke and Naruto: Sasuke got the Yin which governs around Doujutsu capacity (Rinnegan), and Naruto got the Yang which governs around Body (Senjutsu or Rikudou Senjutsu to be specific). They didn't awake anything; Sasuke made it clear.
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''We received some amazing abilities from The Sage of Six Paths powers''
Naruto isn't the jinchuuriki of the tailed beast besides Kurama, he simply bears small amount their chakra
If he was the jinchuuriki of the tailed beast he would have been a juubi jin :|
Secondly do you understand what Rikudo Mode is?
Read below
The Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo).[1] is achieved by Naruto through combining the chakra of the nine tailed beasts with the Six Paths Sage Chakra. It takes on a similar appearance as his Sage Mode, Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Tailed Beast Mode cloak. It enhances Naruto's abilities, allows him to use Truth-Seeking Balls, and enhance his Tailed Beast Mode cloak of Kurama as well.
"combining the chakra of the nine tailed beasts with the Six Paths Sage Chakra."
He managed to use RM by combining the chakra he received from the sage with his, no sage chakra equals no Rikudo Mode U_U
It's funny who you find my statement in your Sig funny, ever watched DBZ? How easy was it for Goten to achieve Super Saiyan compared to Gohan and Goku? I will gladly wait for your answer
Yeah exactly, Rikudo basically translates to Sage of the six paths, Naruto can only activate Rikudo Mode in the present of Sage chakra, without it he can't and he did lose his yang chakra either over time or when releasing IT, I don't think he will walk around with him being able to recreate human organs, plus after releasing IT he couldn't regrow his arm while before he could recreate the most complex human organ Lol
For Sasuke he also lost his yin chakra but he didn't lose the rinnegan since it's mostly likely he didn't awaken it due to Hagoromo, even passing down his chakra to Indra, Indra didn't manage to awaken the rinnegan but create a new doujutsu (the sharingan) if Indra couldn't awaken the rinnegan despite having half of Hagoromo's powers (the eyes) I don't think that's how Sasuke awakened it U_U
Its funny how Akira made Goten and Trunks get Super Saiyan at 7 with little to no training (it was a peaceful period) while it took their fathers near death experience and extreme training to get theirs, plus Trunks and Gotens were half saiyans, won't be surprised with Kishi goes with that route Lol
Yeah exactly, Rikudo basically translates to Sage of the six paths, Naruto can only activate Rikudo Mode in the present of Sage chakra, without it he can't and he did lose his yang chakra either over time or when releasing IT, I don't think he will walk around with him being able to recreate human organs, plus after releasing IT he couldn't regrow his arm while before he could recreate the most complex human organ Lol
For Sasuke he also lost his yin chakra but he didn't lose the rinnegan since it's mostly likely he didn't awaken it due to Hagoromo, even passing down his chakra to Indra, Indra didn't manage to awaken the rinnegan but create a new doujutsu (the sharingan) if Indra couldn't awaken the rinnegan despite having half of Hagoromo's powers (the eyes) I don't think that's how Sasuke awakened it U_U
Its funny how Akira made Goten and Trunks get Super Saiyan at 7 with little to no training (it was a peaceful period) while it took their fathers near death experience and extreme training to get theirs, plus Trunks and Gotens were half saiyans, won't be surprised with Kishi goes with that route Lol
Yeah exactly, Rikudo basically translates to Sage of the six paths, Naruto can only activate Rikudo Mode in the present of Sage chakra, without it he can't and he did lose his yang chakra either over time or when releasing IT, I don't think he will walk around with him being able to recreate human organs, plus after releasing IT he couldn't regrow his arm while before he could recreate the most complex human organ Lol
For Sasuke he also lost his yin chakra but he didn't lose the rinnegan since it's mostly likely he didn't awaken it due to Hagoromo, even passing down his chakra to Indra, Indra didn't manage to awaken the rinnegan but create a new doujutsu (the sharingan) if Indra couldn't awaken the rinnegan despite having half of Hagoromo's powers (the eyes) I don't think that's how Sasuke awakened it U_U
Its funny how Akira made Goten and Trunks get Super Saiyan at 7 with little to no training (it was a peaceful period) while it took their fathers near death experience and extreme training to get theirs, plus Trunks and Gotens were half saiyans, won't be surprised with Kishi goes with that route Lol
Yeah exactly, Rikudo basically translates to Sage of the six paths, Naruto can only activate Rikudo Mode in the present of Sage chakra, without it he can't and he did lose his yang chakra either over time or when releasing IT, I don't think he will walk around with him being able to recreate human organs, plus after releasing IT he couldn't regrow his arm while before he could recreate the most complex human organ Lol
For Sasuke he also lost his yin chakra but he didn't lose the rinnegan since it's mostly likely he didn't awaken it due to Hagoromo, even passing down his chakra to Indra, Indra didn't manage to awaken the rinnegan but create a new doujutsu (the sharingan) if Indra couldn't awaken the rinnegan despite having half of Hagoromo's powers (the eyes) I don't think that's how Sasuke awakened it U_U
Its funny how Akira made Goten and Trunks get Super Saiyan at 7 with little to no training (it was a peaceful period) while it took their fathers near death experience and extreme training to get theirs, plus Trunks and Gotens were half saiyans, won't be surprised with Kishi goes with that route Lol
He was only able to use the COAT with the Hagoromo chakra lingering in the seal given to him by Hagoromo, the Sun.
The only way (from which I'm not biasing my knowledge from myself anymore, but from the posts given in this topic) Sasuke is activating Sage chakra to form the Rinnegan himself, hence why it's stated they were given the powers. Hence why Sasuke himself stated he received the power from Hagoromo. Basically he gained the ability to activate the Rinnegan due to him having Indra's chakra/Hashirama cells but it was the Sage chakra itself that gave Sasuke the power to get the Sharringan
The only power that they lost came from the seal themselves. COAT from Naruto, and Sasuke's mastery over Sage chakra senjutsu (black chidori)
If Naruto still has Rikudo Mode that also means he can recreate human organs since he got yang chakra from Hagoromo yang meaning recreate/life and Sasuke also has the ability to combine his ability with the sage chakra making his technique more destructive due to getting yin chakra yin meaning death/destructive
But that's currently not the case since Naruto couldn't recreate a simple arm but yet could recreate a eye before and Naruto didn't use RM once during the movie and the movie supposed to be canon
I'm pretty sure Sasuke and Naruto fully lost hagoromo's chakra U_U
If Naruto still has Rikudo Mode that also means he can recreate human organs since he got yang chakra from Hagoromo yang meaning recreate/life and Sasuke also has the ability to combine his ability with the sage chakra making his technique more destructive due to getting yin chakra yin meaning death/destructive
But that's currently not the case since Naruto couldn't recreate a simple arm but yet could recreate a eye before and Naruto didn't use RM once during the movie and the movie supposed to be canon
I'm pretty sure Sasuke and Naruto fully lost hagoromo's chakra U_U
If Naruto still has Rikudo Mode that also means he can recreate human organs since he got yang chakra from Hagoromo yang meaning recreate/life and Sasuke also has the ability to combine his ability with the sage chakra making his technique more destructive due to getting yin chakra yin meaning death/destructive
But that's currently not the case since Naruto couldn't recreate a simple arm but yet could recreate a eye before and Naruto didn't use RM once during the movie and the movie supposed to be canon
I'm pretty sure Sasuke and Naruto fully lost hagoromo's chakra U_U
Exactly. Naruto won't be able to recreate living things, because that was an original by Hagoromo himself. What he does have is his RM which becomes RSM due to the Tailed Beast chakra that is in his system. I mean having Rikudou Mode is basically the default version of RSM mode itself I would believe, right? All he would need to do really is to combine all the chakra of the TBeasts
Most of the power came from those seals - COATS, Black chidori, so forth
He was only able to use the COAT with the Hagoromo chakra lingering in the seal given to him by Hagoromo, the Sun.
The only way (from which I'm not biasing my knowledge from myself anymore, but from the posts given in this topic) Sasuke is activating Sage chakra to form the Rinnegan himself, hence why it's stated they were given the powers. Hence why Sasuke himself stated he received the power from Hagoromo. Basically he gained the ability to activate the Rinnegan due to him having Indra's chakra/Hashirama cells but it was the Sage chakra itself that gave Sasuke the power to get the Sharringan
The only power that they lost came from the seal themselves. COAT from Naruto, and Sasuke's mastery over Sage chakra senjutsu (black chidori)
If Hagoromo split his chakra and power between his two sons Indra and Ashura, tell me why Indra couldn't awaken the rinnegan? Exactly...
You're also forgetting the fact Hagoromo gave Sasuke yin chakra basically the half he gave Indra long ago, he didn't give Sasuke yang chakra (Ashura's half) which was the chakra he needs to awaken the rinnegan, he received that from Hashirama
When Sasuke first mentions he will use his power from hagoromo he brings out a black chidori
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The yin chakra he received from Hagoromo allowed his techniques to increase destructive wise, same goes with Naruto him having yang half he can recreate human organs, having the sages chakra also allowed him to obtain the sage of the six path mode which is basically his RM
At the end Sasuke lost the yin half of Hagoromo's chakra while Naruto lost his yang half U_U
Exactly. Naruto won't be able to recreate living things, because that was an original by Hagoromo himself. What he does have is his RM which becomes RSM due to the Tailed Beast chakra that is in his system. I mean having Rikudou Mode is basically the default version of RSM mode itself I would believe, right? All he would need to do really is to combine all the chakra of the TBeasts
Most of the power came from those seals - COATS, Black chidori, so forth
Naruto was able to recreate things due to his yang chakra he got from Hagoromo, he loses that ability because he doesn't hold the chakra anymore, which also means he cant activate Rikudo Mode because it requires sage chakra, its not hard to understand
No sage of the six path chakra equals to no sage of the six path mode :|
