Naruto/Sasuke - Hagoromo Power-Up Debate

[salamander uchiha]

It was Masada who gave them the power up like fodder sage could have done it. Madara needed the toddlers to up there levels.

 

[lndra]

For those idiots still claiming the sage only gave them the seals, Sasuke has already said, in no uncertain terms, that their new powers came from the sage. That's it. End of discussion. No arguing with manga facts

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You should of seen the BS Devil Slayer was saying on how Sasuke activated the Sharrigan himself Lol
Everyone knows Indra + Ashura Chakra/dna whatever evolves the Sharingan into the Rinnegan (purple ripple) but the SHARRINGAN is from the Sage's chakra itself. So everytime he uses the Sharringan, he is using sage chakra.

In this forum - DevilSlayer/OfficialHB are really idiots.

Trying to say Naruto lost his powerup cause he never used it in the movie cause everyone knows RSM would solo Toneri no deff.

There logic: "If isn't shown in the movie, it doesn't exist."
So Sasuke lost his Perfect Susano'o, because we never saw that in the movie. :|
Baka.


Yin/Yang seals were for Chibaku Tensei for sealing Kaguya, nothing more and nothing less. Everything else is permanent in their own body/person.

 

[UzumakiWade]

/Thank you.

You should of seen the BS Devil Slayer was saying on how Sasuke activated the Sharrigan himself Lol
Everyone knows Indra + Ashura Chakra/dna whatever evolves the Sharingan into the Rinnegan (purple ripple) but the SHARRINGAN is from the Sage's chakra itself. So everytime he uses the Sharringan, he is using sage chakra.

In this forum - DevilSlayer/OfficialHB are really idiots.

Trying to say Naruto lost his powerup cause he never used it in the movie cause everyone knows RSM would solo Toneri no deff.

There logic: "If isn't shown in the movie, it doesn't exist."
So Sasuke lost his Perfect Susano'o, because we never saw that in the movie. :|
Baka.


Yin/Yang seals were for Chibaku Tensei for sealing Kaguya, nothing more and nothing less. Everything else is permanent in their own body/person.

This...just this...been waiting for someone to realize this aswell. I would've said it myself but i don't have the time to counter a bunch of fappers trying to squeeze their fav out of the situation.

OT : I don't see what there is to debate for...Lol, i mean you basically already hit the nail on the dot. But nonetheless great thread, 10/10.

 

[Ansatsuken]

The easiest way to understand is , Hagoromo is giving them his power to defeating Madara or Kaguya.

Because that hago asked them, what way or what power you want to defeated Madara, as I remember

Thats mean Naruto and Sasuke power in RS mode and Tomoe Rinnegan is from Hagoromo giving power up and both seals is a tool giving by Hago to easily sealed Madara or Kaguya

the power up still mantain inside them as a Hago gift, but the seal is gone after jobs done

 

[OG sama]

Yeah I agree. There is also no way Naruto lost his RSM. He needed to use it to undo IT. And if he lost it then why does Sasuke still have rinnegan?
Easy, Naruto was restricted from using it becuz he would have wrecked Toneri. Realize how Sasuke left, he knew Naruto could handle it.

 

[TrollKing]

Yeah I agree. There is also no way Naruto lost his RSM. He needed to use it to undo IT. And if he lost it then why does Sasuke still have rinnegan?
Easy, Naruto was restricted from using it becuz he would have wrecked Toneri. Realize how Sasuke left, he knew Naruto could handle it.

Only rinnegan and bijuus are required to release IT. Of course rm would wreck toiletpper, that's why naruto has to lose it XD

 

[Dimbreath]

Seal is gone. But they keep their powers, I remember seeing that Naruto used Sage of Six Paths Mode in the movie.

 

[Soloist]

Naruto and sasuke both got their power ups thru normal means and also through hagoromo
Naruto got RM by obito sealing the rest of the tailed beasts chakras in him and then hagoromo gave naruto his own chakra so naruto would be able to merge these powers together along with hagoromos senjutsu
And although most people say this isn't right but IMO I think sasuke got rinnegan from hashi cells I mean kabuto said through my knowledge of hashis cells so how why would he need knowledge of hashi cells for another healing method so through hashi cells sasuke got was bound to get rinnegan then hagoromo have him his chakra in which sasuke had gained through getting asura chakra (edo hashi) and indras chakra which is his own hagoromos extra chakra I'm guessing then sped up the awakening of the rinnegan and also allowed it to evolve into 6 tomoe rinnegan.
Their power ups have nothing to do with their indra and asura chakra but external means (obito and kabuto) and hagoromos chakra.
This is what I think correct me with manga facts if I'm wrong

 

[Honord Sage]

Rules or I won't reply:

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No faptardism. If I've seen that you are a total Naruto fanboy or a total Sasuke fanboy who will constantly argue with each-other about WHO is stronger, I'd rather not care to continue our conversation.

Try to prove me wrong with manga facts so I don't base my knowledge alone on what I think from reading the manga, but what Kishimoto thinks.

I'm asking this QUESTION and explaining my reasons: Not because I think I'm right, but because I think it's understandable.

Alright lemme break it down from what I know:

- The sage died yet they were able to activate his "chakra" or maybe himself as he manifested in ethereal form to meet Naruto/Sasuke, which I assume is because Naruto himself gathered all 9 tailed beast chakra.

- Naruto/Sasuke both got their power ups from the Ashura/Indra chakra that was transmigrated to them (Meaning because of the transmigration's power they were able to get the Hagoromo powerup in the first place)

Now that is from the top of my head without manga scans. Someone correct me, like I said so I can fix my logic on this situation.

Next:

- Sasuke was able to activate his Sharringan due to Hagoromo giving him his "chakra" or giving him the power to activate "Indra's" dormant power within him. If you noticed (imo) it looked more like Hagoromo was giving them the Sun/Moon (or Full Moon/Crescent Moon) seals in order to seal Kaguya. It looked more like these power ups were here to stay.

- Naruto was able to finally combine his Tailed Beasts and synchronize it into a chakra cloak similar to his KCM mode via Hagoromo because of the dormant power of Ashura, hence why the cloak looks exactly like Ashura but when Naruto used Ashura's avatar, it took on the shape of Fox/Kyuubi. Fox's usually have a larger snout, while Ashura's avatar looked nothing like Kyuub/Kurama/or even a Fox.


So to wrap things up:
- If Sasuke activates his Sharringan it's due to Hagoromo giving him chakra to activate the dormant Indra power up OR Hagoromo's chakra activates the Sharringan itself (Remember that the Uchiha activate the Sharingan due to the chakra in their brain) to Sasuke's activation of the Sharringan comes from somewhere.

- Naruto's activation of the RSM is due to Hagoromo giving him his chakra to activate by combining the chakra of all Tailed beasts or by the Ashura chakra that is longed into himself that later bloomed similar to Sasuke. Or like I mentioned with Sasuke's Sharringan it's mainly due to the Hagoromo's chakra alone.


Thank you for reading all the way through, and I'm eager to learn if I had been mistaken.

Manga fact and canon Indra never defeated Ashura, Sasuke has Indra in Him and like Indra He lost to Naruto no ifs or buts about it so you can’t come up with an excuse to say their equals for History proves you wrong.

 

[ANiMUS]

Manga fact and canon Indra never defeated Ashura, Sasuke has Indra in Him and like Indra He lost to Naruto no ifs or buts about it so you can’t come up with an excuse to say their equals for History proves you wrong.

Indra tied with Ashura (both died in battle)
Madara hasn't beaten Hashi either
Sasuke has beaten Naruto plenty though

 

[GotexF]

Ok, first off, Naruto gave Sasuke his Kyuubi Chakra Cloak, and if that doesnt count, then, they infused chakra with the armored Kyuubi. Then Sasuke had a near death experience, which in turn caused him to gain Hashirama's cells to be infused to heal him, thanks to Kabuto. This is parallel to Madara, as he had control of the Kyuubi, had a near death experience with his battle with Hashirama, and in turn stole Hashirama's cells when he bite him in battle to heal himself. So that explains Sasuke's power-up.

 

[GotexF]

And I despise how people say Hagoromo gave them Chakra. It's technically not true. They already had the Chakra in them, due to the combination of requirements being fulfilled. He just gave them the seals, due to him being in an ethereal form. I say this because his ethereal form was revealed when the requirements are fulfilled, which means that they requirements merged into one in the form of "Hagoromo's Chakra". He didn't physically give it to them. Plus, they had a refill of Chakra based on the outside world (Kabuto, Obito, etc) which Hagoromo said that their fate was based on the outside world. So, in general, Hagoromo didnt do anything, except give them seals due to the circumstance. The whole "I saw Hagoromo, OMGGGGG" thing was all figurative, except the seals, in the case that based on the requirements achieved on the outside world (Indra and Ashura's chakra mixed, Kyuubi, or Juubi Chakra) lead to Hagoromo's level of Chakra and its benefits. Everything that happened was metaphorical and symbolic in a sense.

 

[GotexF]

This also means that the seal was temporary due to it being given by Ethereal Hagoromo, and that his appearance was temporary until Kaguya was defeated, but the power-ups last forever due to being attained in the real, outside, physical world.

 

[TheGodsNaruSasu]

So basically your saying either way they're equal I agree of course as we all know fanboys are to childish to ever compromise.