Naruto/Sasuke - Hagoromo Power-Up Debate

[A v i]

No, idc about your rules. He didn't give them chakra. He gave them seals.

Naruto gained coat from having the bijuu along with flight and everything else but the healing ability is all that naruto gained.

You're telling me sasuke didn't gain the rinnegan and was all powered up only by the sage? Nah. Sasuke awakened the rinnegan. This is an attempt thread to downgrade sasuke and his own power to gain power for himself.

Sage on more than one occasion said that 'I gave my powers to you'. I don't get what part of it is so hard to understand.

 

[RedRobin]

Sasuke got his rinnegan from his Indra chakra and Hashirama's Ashura chakra mixing.

Naruto got his form from having a tiny bit of all the tailed beasts.

 

[TrollKing]

Sage on more than one occasion said that 'I gave my powers to you'. I don't get what part of it is so hard to understand.

The seals are hugohomo strongest technique. of course it has most of his chakra to sustain the sealing technique

 

[A v i]

The seals are hugohomo strongest technique. of course it has most of his chakra to sustain the sealing technique

Ya I know that it uses a lot of chakra. so, what? What is the point you are trying to make?

 

[TrollKing]

Ya I know that it uses a lot of chakra. so, what? What is the point you are trying to make?

Hugohomo's gifts for them were the seals Lol

 

[vaishakh01]

Sasuke got his rinnegan from his Indra chakra and Hashirama's Ashura chakra mixing.

If that was the case , then he'd have regular Rinnegan like Madara had . Sasuke's rinnegan has abilities of Sharingan as well which makes it different or special.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Naruto and Sasuke were both able to meet the sage because they both were able to achieve half of the samara

(9 bijuu=RM)
(EMS+senju DNA=rinnegan)

Upon meeting the sage they were gifted with halves of Hagoromo's power. Which enhanced their half of the samsara.
Naruto RM Kurama mode (yang increase gave him better reflexes and physical ability than normal RM) (might have made him a better Bijuu container as well)

Sasuke Yin Rinnegan (Sharrinnegan (Kaguya's eye) works with genjutsu Sasuke's eye is similar, but weaker, it's a rinnegan that is closer to Kaguya's eye, but still a rinnegan. It carries the power of the Rinnegan and Sharingan

The sage specifically said that when Ashura, Indra and Kurama's chakra mix together, that's when he can appear. Sasuke and Naruto fused their chakra avatars together when they fought Obito. Only when they almost died did they go to the deepest parts of their own subconscious to meet Hagoromo.

I agree that they didn't get their power ups from the sage. Naruto gained his from combining the bijuu chakra, because just like a Juubi jin gathering all of the bijuu's chakra, they can awaken Rikudo mode. The sage has nothing to do with gaining that power.

Sasuke did get Ashura's chakra when Naruto gave his own chakra to sasuke and Hashirama also did the same. Dna has nothing to do with it. It's specifically the chakra that doies the job. Sasuke could've awakened the rinnegan with any of their chakra, after almost dying once. kabuto only healed sasuke, nothing else.

The sage gave them Naruto the sun symbol, which is yang and Sasuke the moon symbol, which is yin. It was never shown that the sage gave them anything else other than half of the chibaku tensei seals.

 

[A v i]

Hugohomo's gifts for them were the seals Lol

So, you are saying that they didn't received anything besides seals?

 

[TrollKing]

So, you are saying that they didn't received anything besides seals?

50% chakra as well since each needs 50% hugohomo chakra to activate the seal

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Here's my theory:

Naruto: he only got the seal and the sage senjutsu from the sage so now he can touch the chakra rods while the RM was awakened from all nine bijuu chakra I think his RM is slightly better than other Juubi jins since it was enhanced with the sage's yang half and also from being friends with the bijuu.

Sasuke: he awakened the rinnegan from near death and from a little bit of hashiroids(I don't think he has hashiroids tho since if he had his arm would probably regenerate on its on so maybe when kabuto healed him a little bit of ashura chakra mixed with his eye do that's why he only got one) and and from the sage's yin chakra he upgraded his one rinnegan and made it work like a dual rinne would plus amenotiikara and genjutsu : rinnegan.


think about it: both sasuke and naruto got quite a watered down version of what they should have:

-naruto having fewer chakra from all bijuu's unlike other JJ who're around full power

-sasuke getting 1 rinnegan.

so with sage power:

-naruto got a stronger RM than other JJ

-sasuke got a better rinnegan with dual rinnegan powers plus amenotijikara and genjutsu: rinnegan.

 

[TrollKing]

Here's my theory:

Naruto: he only got the seal and the sage senjutsu from the sage so now he can touch the chakra rods while the RM was awakened from all nine bijuu chakra I think his RM is slightly better than other Juubi jins since it was enhanced with the sage's yang half and also from being friends with the bijuu.

Sasuke: he awakened the rinnegan from near death and from a little bit of hashiroids(I don't think he has hashiroids tho since if he had his arm would probably regenerate on its on so maybe when kabuto healed him a little bit of ashura chakra mixed with his eye do that's why he only got one) and and from the sage's yin chakra he upgraded his one rinnegan and made it work like a dual rinne would plus amenotiikara and genjutsu : rinnegan.


think about it: both sasuke and naruto got quite a watered down version of what they should have:

-naruto having fewer chakra from all bijuu's unlike other JJ who're around full power

-sasuke getting 1 rinnegan.

so with sage power:

-naruto got a stronger RM than other JJ

-sasuke got a better rinnegan with dual rinnegan powers plus amenotijikara and genjutsu: rinnegan.

I don't think yang ying boosted their power much considering

Ems + bsm > jubito

And 3 eyes madara was about to go beast mode on rikuto and rinnsasky neg diff

 

[Megax Rocker7]

I don't think yang ying boosted their power much considering

Ems + bsm > jubito

And 3 eyes madara was about to go beast mode on rikuto and rinnsasky neg diff

the reason juubito was defeated was because the bjuu's were yanked from him so ems sasuke and bsm naruto would've lost

and no 3 eyes jj madara is weaker than kaguya and the only thing that gave naruto and sasuke a hard time is her dimension shift and the ash bone both which madara does not have so he would've got rekt mid diff at best.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Sasuke awaken then rinnegan because hagoromo gave him his chakra. To awaken the rinnegan you need Indra and Asura's chakra to mix to make hagomomo's chakra. Sasuke went passed that method since he obtained hagoromo's chakra directly.
Sasuke also received the moon(?) mark which didn't really show anything.

^This

 

[TrollKing]

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1 vs 3 neg diff

Pnj >>>> Kaguya >>>> naruto + sasky

Mc = mcnj >>>> pnj

 

[Megax Rocker7]

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1 vs 3 neg diff

Pnj >>>> Kaguya >>>> naruto + sasky

Mc = mcnj >>>> pnj

no naruto was trying to save sakura and sasuke probably saved sakura from another clone so if sasuke used PS or if naruto used alot of clones the result would've been different

so yeah plot was there but it was with madara.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I'm guessing that Naruto did in fact got yang chakra from the sage. Proof?

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" I don't have it.. I already give it away". So Naruto can only achieve six paths sage mode by mixing in Rikudou and nine bijuu chakras together.
For sasuke's sharinnegan, im not sure really. It may be a "yin" dominant rinnegan because it contains sasuke+ Hashirama's cells+ Rikudou's yin. Though there's no proof that hashirama's cells contain ashura's chakra anymore since his transmigration has long ended.

 

[TrollKing]

no naruto was trying to save sakura and sasuke probably saved sakura from another clone so if sasuke used PS or if naruto used alot of clones the result would've been different

so yeah plot was there but it was with madara.

If naruto and sasky were as strong as you said, naruto could send a clone to rasengan(even if its a miss) while sasky bisect both limbo and madara

The scan shows clearly who solo and who about to get soloed

 

[Mighty Thor]

Yes with the seals....the seals are chakra which he got back and thus summoned everyone back in one swoop.
I guess he didn't get it back I'm assuming you're going to say right?

Wrong, gonna counter you before you say that because he actually stayed there awhile longer like in the middle of naruto and sasuke's fight.

Thus I'm correct he got his power back and rinnegan isn't from the sage.

totally wrong

 

[Megax Rocker7]

If naruto and sasky were as strong as you said, naruto could send a clone to rasengan(even if its a miss) while sasky bisect both limbo and madara

The scan shows clearly who solo and who about to get soloed

Naruto and sasuke's goal were to save sakura at this point if they wanted they would've rushed madara seal all his clones and and then end him.

 

[TrollingSage]

For those idiots still claiming the sage only gave them the seals, Sasuke has already said, in no uncertain terms, that their new powers came from the sage. That's it. End of discussion. No arguing with manga facts

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