Naruto/Sasuke - Hagoromo Power-Up Debate

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Sasuke unlocked Rinnegan due to Senju DNA given to him by Kabuto. Naruto unlocked RSM because of Bijuu given to him by Obito. Hagoromo only gave them the Seals.

 

[lndra]

Sasuke going from ems to the Rinnegan=Natural progression.
Naruto getting more mythical monsters shoved into his belly=Asspull powerup

Well you also forgot that it took Madara at least 50+ years to activate his normal rinnegan, when in turn Sasuke got one-eye Rinnegan from Hagoromo himself (after meeting him). So you can say asspull but it isn't really biased on both sides.

Thanks for your input though.

 

[Zawerni]

Sasuke unlocked Rinnegan due to Senju DNA given to him by Kabuto. Naruto unlocked RSM because of Bijuu given to him by Obito. Hagoromo only gave them the Seals.

Uchiha + Senju DNA = Rinnegan was proven wrong by Hagoromo.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Hagaromo gave Naruto his yang chakra, and Sasuke his yin chakra. In addition to the seals. The chakra Hagaromo gave Sasuke, caused him to awaken the Rinnegan, and the chakra he gave Naruto enabled him to activate the RSM.(since he already had the bijuus chakra inside of him). That's what I think. The seals were just to seal Kaguya, but the chakra is a permanent power up IMO.

Exactly.

Sasuke didn't get ashura charka from hashirama because ashura had already manifested within naruto. He got ashura charka from harogomo who infact has both Indra and ashura thatsbhow Sasuke got rinnegan

It's not that Hogoromo had Indra,and Ashura,it's that Indra + Ashura = The Sage.And yes,the Sage himself gave Sasuke half his power which awakened the Rinnegan.

 

[lndra]

Sasuke unlocked Rinnegan due to Senju DNA given to him by Kabuto. Naruto unlocked RSM because of Bijuu given to him by Obito. Hagoromo only gave them the Seals.

That makes a lot of sense, and it goes with what people have said.

Though do you think Naruto/Sasuke would still have activated their powers if they never met the Sage?

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Sasuke didn't get ashura charka from hashirama because ashura had already manifested within naruto. He got ashura charka from harogomo who infact has both Indra and ashura thatsbhow Sasuke got rinnegan

Hashirama still has Ashura Chakra, which is why he could Summon Hagoromo by touching Madara's crotch.

 

[lndra]

Hagaromo gave Naruto his yang chakra, and Sasuke his yin chakra. In addition to the seals. The chakra Hagaromo gave Sasuke, caused him to awaken the Rinnegan, and the chakra he gave Naruto enabled him to activate the RSM.(since he already had the bijuus chakra inside of him). That's what I think. The seals were just to seal Kaguya, but the chakra is a permanent power up IMO.

Sasuke unlocked Rinnegan due to Senju DNA given to him by Kabuto. Naruto unlocked RSM because of Bijuu given to him by Obito. Hagoromo only gave them the Seals.

Uchiha + Senju DNA = Rinnegan was proven wrong by Hagoromo.

Exactly.

Thank you everyone for your inputs. I think I'm clear now ^_^

 

[TrollKing]

I thought Rikudou Mode was from Ashura's chakra itself and by combining all of the Tailed Beasts chakra he activates it's full power. I dunno mate. Waiting on more replies.

Rm is six path mode which is the same mode madara obito and so6p obtained after became jubi jin. Naruto had only small portion of all Bijus, that's why he was still weaker than jubi jin by far

 

[Im Still Robin]

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"I don't have it. I already gave it away"

"I already gave it away"

"gave it away"

Yes with the seals....the seals are chakra which he got back and thus summoned everyone back in one swoop.
I guess he didn't get it back I'm assuming you're going to say right?

Wrong, gonna counter you before you say that because he actually stayed there awhile longer like in the middle of naruto and sasuke's fight.

Thus I'm correct he got his power back and rinnegan isn't from the sage.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Uchiha + Senju DNA = Rinnegan was proven wrong by Hagoromo.

No, but Indra (Sasuke) + Ashura (Hashiroids) = Rinnegan.

 

[Zawerni]

Yes with the seals....the seals are chakra which he got back and thus summoned everyone back in one swoop.
I guess he didn't get it back I'm assuming you're going to say right?

Wrong, gonna counter you before you say that because he actually stayed there awhile longer like in the middle of naruto and sasuke's fight.

Thus I'm correct he got his power back and rinnegan isn't from the sage.

The seals returned to his hands so he could perform the jutsu.

Him staying there means he got his power back? Yet there he is with no chakra in front of the Hokage.

He needed chakra from the Hokage as well as the previous Kage.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Naruto and Sasuke awakened their powers due to the chakra that the Sage gave them [

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Databook 4 for Sasuke and Six Paths Sage Mode:

From the Rikudou Sennin, awakening the Rinnegan and the key to the seal…

A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

 

[Bronze]

You're confusing awakening power and given power; they're both different concept. For this case, it's the latter because we have seen Hagoromo splitting his power in half and handing them each to Sasuke and Naruto: Sasuke got the Yin which governs around Doujutsu capacity (Rinnegan), and Naruto got the Yang which governs around Body (Senjutsu or Rikudou Senjutsu to be specific). They didn't awake anything; Sasuke made it clear.

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''We received some amazing abilities from The Sage of Six Paths powers''

 

[Im Still Robin]

Why don't you care about the rules?

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

No you misunderstood me by a lot.

First Sasuke is my favorite character, second this is the fifth time you have said I downgraded Sasuke. I'm only interested in talking to people who have biased conclusions in the manga, I don't get why you always have to spread hate constantly when I said nothing wrong about Sasuke's character itself. I literally said: Did Hagoromo's chakra activate the Rinnegan, or was it Indra's latent chakra that bloomed the power itself?

Also. Sasuke was never shown capable of getting the Rinnegan, and Naruto was never capable of combining the Tailed beast until meeting the Sage. It's obvious the Sage helped them obtain the power-up somehow, whether if someone can answer my questions right still lingers.

You should really console yourself on how you few fictional characters. I don't know how to put it ... but you seem to get angry over the littlest things. That's my input anyway on the matter. Best of wishes.

Idc for rules that won't be followed down the line by people (like me) anyways. Why should I now? It won't make a difference.

I doubt it. Its not hatred, its what I see strictly based off dozens of your comments towards the character on countless threads. I only called you out on maybe 3 or 4.

Neither, Sasuke awakened rinnegan by the same thing THE SAGE HIMSELF stated how Madara got his rinnegan. By getting ashura's chakra (from naruto when he gave him the cloak) and when he was near death. Being revived he revealed his rinnegan. There's the possibility for him also accepting naruto as a friend again.

Naruto was capable of gaining the beasts because of Obito on the outside. Sasuke its either what I said up there, kabuto's doing with hashirama's cells, or just @sspull/PnJ.

The sage gave them seals which has chakra in them, but the only powerup we seen from sasuke and his seal is black chidori. Naruto and his seal healing powers...nothing more. Everything else was their doing.

Lmao angry. No, if I curse or call you out that's not angry. You just get called out...thus ending this entirely.

 

[Zawerni]

No, but Indra (Sasuke) + Ashura (Hashiroids) = Rinnegan.

Hashirama cells don't contain Ashura chakra. Ashura moved on to Naruto after Hashirama's death. See the Viz scan Sparks posted

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Hagoromo was able to emerge from Madara's body because of the chakra in that body, not because of Hashirama summoning him.

 

[Im Still Robin]

The seals returned to his hands so he could perform the jutsu.

Him staying there means he got his power back? Yet there he is with no chakra in front of the Hokage.

He needed chakra from the Hokage as well as the previous Kage.

Yes, which you stated he said "I already gave it all away."

I can prove you wrong in two ways. One if he did he would of disappeared, two he got the seals back and regained his power and all his chakra along with the seals.

 

[lndra]

Idc for rules that won't be followed down the line by people (like me) anyways. Why should I now? It won't make a difference.

I doubt it. Its not hatred, its what I see strictly based off dozens of your comments towards the character on countless threads. I only called you out on maybe 3 or 4.

Neither, Sasuke awakened rinnegan by the same thing THE SAGE HIMSELF stated how Madara got his rinnegan. By getting ashura's chakra (from naruto when he gave him the cloak) and when he was near death. Being revived he revealed his rinnegan. There's the possibility for him also accepting naruto as a friend again.

Naruto was capable of gaining the beasts because of Obito on the outside. Sasuke its either what I said up there, kabuto's doing with hashirama's cells, or just @sspull/PnJ.

The sage gave them seals which has chakra in them, but the only powerup we seen from sasuke and his seal is black chidori. Naruto and his seal healing powers...nothing more. Everything else was their doing.

Lmao angry. No, if I curse or call you out that's not angry. You just get called out...thus ending this entirely.

Naruto and Sasuke awakened their powers due to the chakra that the Sage gave them [

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Databook 4 for Sasuke and Six Paths Sage Mode:

This is the main reason why I wanted to ask. I never hate on characters besides Sakura, that's point blank. As you can see in my avatar I'm a big Sasuke fan, but I also like Naruto too. If you think I'm being biased towards a character then it's just you for obvious reasons of how you indict me mentally.

You can say what you want but at the end of the day it was a discussion. Lots of replies but you were the only one who seemed butthurt on the fact that I said something about both Naruto and Sasuke, and you said I downgraded him when I said the same thing about Naruto. I'm biased? Okay sir. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

This guy too said it aswell:

You're confusing awakening power and given power; they're both different concept. For this case, it's the latter because we have seen Hagoromo splitting his power in half and handing them each to Sasuke and Naruto: Sasuke got the Yin which governs around Doujutsu capacity (Rinnegan), and Naruto got the Yang which governs around Body (Senjutsu or Rikudou Senjutsu to be specific). They didn't awake anything; Sasuke made it clear.

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''We received some amazing abilities from The Sage of Six Paths powers''

 

[Zawerni]

Yes, which you stated he said "I already gave it all away."

I can prove you wrong in two ways. One if he did he would of disappeared, two he got the seals back and regained his power and all his chakra along with the seals.

Databook phax say it came from Old Man Six Paths.

I'll take that over your words.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Naruto negs Sasuke

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Teasing. Anyway, it's a pretty good theory, but I have my own explanation. I don't think Hagoromo's giving them chakra every time. I think Hagoromo literally altered their own chakra to imitate his. It's like he imprinted his powers to Naruto and Sasuke, and from then on, it's their own. It makes sense this way, especially if you consider the fact that Hashirama and Madara maintained their Asura/Indra powers even after it was stated their time as their transmigrants was over.

 

[lndra]

You're confusing awakening power and given power; they're both different concept. For this case, it's the latter because we have seen Hagoromo splitting his power in half and handing them each to Sasuke and Naruto: Sasuke got the Yin which governs around Doujutsu capacity (Rinnegan), and Naruto got the Yang which governs around Body (Senjutsu or Rikudou Senjutsu to be specific). They didn't awake anything; Sasuke made it clear.

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''We received some amazing abilities from The Sage of Six Paths powers''

This is what I thought, so that confirms that each time Sasuke uses the Sharringan he is basically using sage chakra, so that means Naruto as well can activate his RSM mode (For those who said he lost it).

Thanks man, much appreciated here.