Naruto/Sasuke - Hagoromo Power-Up Debate

[lndra]

Rules or I won't reply:

Spoiler

No faptardism. If I've seen that you are a total Naruto fanboy or a total Sasuke fanboy who will constantly argue with each-other about WHO is stronger, I'd rather not care to continue our conversation.

Try to prove me wrong with manga facts so I don't base my knowledge alone on what I think from reading the manga, but what Kishimoto thinks.

I'm asking this QUESTION and explaining my reasons: Not because I think I'm right, but because I think it's understandable.

Alright lemme break it down from what I know:

- The sage died yet they were able to activate his "chakra" or maybe himself as he manifested in ethereal form to meet Naruto/Sasuke, which I assume is because Naruto himself gathered all 9 tailed beast chakra.

- Naruto/Sasuke both got their power ups from the Ashura/Indra chakra that was transmigrated to them (Meaning because of the transmigration's power they were able to get the Hagoromo powerup in the first place)

Now that is from the top of my head without manga scans. Someone correct me, like I said so I can fix my logic on this situation.

Next:

- Sasuke was able to activate his Sharringan due to Hagoromo giving him his "chakra" or giving him the power to activate "Indra's" dormant power within him. If you noticed (imo) it looked more like Hagoromo was giving them the Sun/Moon (or Full Moon/Crescent Moon) seals in order to seal Kaguya. It looked more like these power ups were here to stay.

- Naruto was able to finally combine his Tailed Beasts and synchronize it into a chakra cloak similar to his KCM mode via Hagoromo because of the dormant power of Ashura, hence why the cloak looks exactly like Ashura but when Naruto used Ashura's avatar, it took on the shape of Fox/Kyuubi. Fox's usually have a larger snout, while Ashura's avatar looked nothing like Kyuub/Kurama/or even a Fox.


So to wrap things up:
- If Sasuke activates his Sharringan it's due to Hagoromo giving him chakra to activate the dormant Indra power up OR Hagoromo's chakra activates the Sharringan itself (Remember that the Uchiha activate the Sharingan due to the chakra in their brain) to Sasuke's activation of the Sharringan comes from somewhere.

- Naruto's activation of the RSM is due to Hagoromo giving him his chakra to activate by combining the chakra of all Tailed beasts or by the Ashura chakra that is longed into himself that later bloomed similar to Sasuke. Or like I mentioned with Sasuke's Sharringan it's mainly due to the Hagoromo's chakra alone.


Thank you for reading all the way through, and I'm eager to learn if I had been mistaken.

 

[HENI]

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

 

[Zawerni]

So what's the debate?

Sasuke got the Rinnegan and Naruto got Rikudo Sage Mode from Hagoromo.

 

[lndra]

So what's the debate?

Sasuke got the Rinnegan and Naruto got Rikudo Sage Mode from Hagoromo.

People have said that Naruto lost his RSM power for good, which wouldn't make sense because Sasuke was shown using his Rinnegan. So I wanted to ask the base.

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

Thanks for your input.

 

[TrollKing]

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

Rm is from them pets

 

[Gintoki Sakata]

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

When did he recieve the cells? Could you post a scan

 

[Im Still Robin]

Nope, The sage only gave them symbols.

Sasuke awakened the rinnegan based on the same thing madara did.

Naruto gave him chakra long ago with the kyuubi cloak, sasuke died, was revived, awakened rinnegan.
Also possible that he simply awakened it for considering naruto a friend. I mean he did gain another tomoe back in part one for that. And we did see what he said to the sage so yeah.

As far as what the sage giving him rinnegan is a fking no. I already see your end game, and you know this. He gave them the seals. If he did give them power as you say it would be gone. The rinnegan and C.O.A.T along with the seals. The seals only vanished thus proving he didn't give it to them.

 

[lndra]

Rm is from them pets

I thought Rikudou Mode was from Ashura's chakra itself and by combining all of the Tailed Beasts chakra he activates it's full power. I dunno mate. Waiting on more replies.

 

[lndra]

Nope, The sage only gave them symbols.

Did you read the spoiler in which I gave the rules? Manga scans would be helpful.

Anyway. So the Sage gave them symbols like I mentioned, and the power ups came from Hagoromo activating their latent potential as transmigrates? Well thanks.

 

[Zawerni]

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

Nope, The sage only gave them symbols.

Hagoromo gave them each half of his chakra. With that they were able to use their new powers.

 

[TrollingSage]

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

Kabuto didnt implant Hashirama's cells in Sasuke. He simply used it to heal him. Anyone that has Hashirama's DNA can use a bit of mokuton, Sasuke can't.

 

[Conspirator.]

Hagaromo gave Naruto his yang chakra, and Sasuke his yin chakra. In addition to the seals. The chakra Hagaromo gave Sasuke, caused him to awaken the Rinnegan, and the chakra he gave Naruto enabled him to activate the RSM.(since he already had the bijuus chakra inside of him). That's what I think. The seals were just to seal Kaguya, but the chakra is a permanent power up IMO.

 

[lndra]

Hagaromo gave Naruto his yang chakra, and Sasuke his yin chakra. In addition to the seals. The chakra Hagaromo gave Sasuke, caused him to awaken the Rinnegan, and the chakra he gave Naruto enabled him to activate the RSM.(since he already had the bijuus chakra inside of him). That's what I think. The seals were just to seal Kaguya, but the chakra is a permanent power up IMO.

Wouldn't it make more sense for the transmigrate power itself help the activation of the power-ups?
Thanks for your input I generally appreciate it bro!

 

[lndra]

Kabuto didnt implant Hashirama's cells in Sasuke. He simply used it to heal him. Anyone that has Hashirama's DNA can use a bit of mokuton, Sasuke can't.

That is true.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Did you read the spoiler in which I gave the rules? Manga scans would be helpful.

Anyway. So the Sage gave them symbols like I mentioned, and the power ups came from Hagoromo activating their latent potential as transmigrates? Well thanks.

No, idc about your rules. He didn't give them chakra. He gave them seals.

Naruto gained coat from having the bijuu along with flight and everything else but the healing ability is all that naruto gained.

You're telling me sasuke didn't gain the rinnegan and was all powered up only by the sage? Nah. Sasuke awakened the rinnegan. This is an attempt thread to downgrade sasuke and his own power to gain power for himself.

 

[Zawerni]

He didn't give them chakra.

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"I don't have it. I already gave it away"

"I already gave it away"

"gave it away"

 

[lndra]

No, idc about your rules. He didn't give them chakra. He gave them seals.

Naruto gained coat from having the bijuu along with flight and everything else but the healing ability is all that naruto gained.

You're telling me sasuke didn't gain the rinnegan and was all powered up only by the sage? Nah. Sasuke awakened the rinnegan. This is an attempt thread to downgrade sasuke and his own power to gain power for himself.

Why don't you care about the rules?

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

No you misunderstood me by a lot.

First Sasuke is my favorite character, second this is the fifth time you have said I downgraded Sasuke. I'm only interested in talking to people who have biased conclusions in the manga, I don't get why you always have to spread hate constantly when I said nothing wrong about Sasuke's character itself. I literally said: Did Hagoromo's chakra activate the Rinnegan, or was it Indra's latent chakra that bloomed the power itself?

Also. Sasuke was never shown capable of getting the Rinnegan, and Naruto was never capable of combining the Tailed beast until meeting the Sage. It's obvious the Sage helped them obtain the power-up somehow, whether if someone can answer my questions right still lingers.

You should really console yourself on how you few fictional characters. I don't know how to put it ... but you seem to get angry over the littlest things. That's my input anyway on the matter. Best of wishes.

 

[V h o]

Not sure what to say, so I'm just going to give my opinion.

Naruto only got rikudo's senjutsu which gave him his new form: 6 paths of something (forgot the actual name databook gives it)
He also received the sun(?) mark , which gave him his healing powers

These two came from the sage.

Obito sent 3 of the TBB's chakra into Naruto when he "dead", those being Kurama (yang(?)), habichi/8tails, and one tails. The others were inside Naruto when he freed them from Obito during the war. Not sure if Naruto had both Kurama's now, since their difference is roughly on complexion Zzz

Sasuke awaken then rinnegan because hagoromo gave him his chakra. To awaken the rinnegan you need Indra and Asura's chakra to mix to make hagomomo's chakra. Sasuke went passed that method since he obtained hagoromo's chakra directly.
Sasuke also received the moon(?) mark which didn't really show anything

Now Naruto losing his senjutsu/RM was supposedly by Toneri destroying that chakra the sage gave to Naruto, but I don't if this is true since I have not saw the movie.

 

[Kakooli]

Sasuke going from ems to the Rinnegan=Natural progression.
Naruto getting more mythical monsters shoved into his belly=Asspull powerup

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

Hagoromo only gave them the seals. Naruto unlock his other powers through unknown means, and Sasuke got his power from Ashura's chakra, through Hashirama's cells.

Sasuke didn't get ashura charka from hashirama because ashura had already manifested within naruto. He got ashura charka from harogomo who infact has both Indra and ashura thatsbhow Sasuke got rinnegan