"Defeat any of the Sannin" in your opinion, whereas the character himself doesn't believe so. If you don't take what characters say (especially about their own abilities), then you may as well not post in forums since your words have far less weight than theirs and you're choosing to ignore what they state as fact.
I wouldn't say it mainly came fro his MS. He was pretty damn powerful on his own. And he was planning on losing to Sasuke (which you certainly know) so him training would do absolutely nothing in regards to Sasuke since he wasn't even going to try and win.
Probably true, I was just pointing that out.
I don't think he would have been any more hesitant to kill Jiraiya, which I don't think would be that much more impactful than 3 skilled Jonin (well, JMan's a Jonin to but you know what I mean).
And I jsut re-read the chapters where they were with Jiraiya, and Kisame said nothing and indicated no surprise that they were retreating. Perhaps I'm using a poor scanlator,b so could you perhaps point me to where you're getting this information?
Not necessarily. It depends on their skill set. Again, Itachi's words and beliefs on battle capacity are above what you or I can speculate.
Jiraiya wasn't even fighting the Animal Path. The AP was bringing forth odd summons that couldn't die and were fighting Jiraiya's Toad Summon.
Erm, Jiraiya's base speed is rated at 4.5 and Sage Mode gives a dramatic boost to a Sage's entire repertoire. And he doesn't have to continuously avoid it, he just has to be fast enough to keep up or make up for that disadvantage. Amatersu would be deadly for anyone. However, it's not unblockable. Gaara has shown that. He just has to find a proper substitute to take the attack. Whether he has one, I've no clue.
Wow. and Itachi relies on his Sharingan too much. and you're underestimating the Elder Toads. Heck the Amphibian technique they were using would have made them and Jiraiya immune to genjutsu since their chakra is constantly being disturbed by taking in natural energy.
So the toads are better at resisting genjutsu than the tailed beasts?
Sagemode makes you able to resist genjutsu huh?Why was it never stated?Not just that but during the pain vs naruto fight when pain stabbed Naruto with the chakra rods he was seeing the rinnengan in his mind.If sage mode disrupted chakra flow that would have never happened.
It is obvious Jiraiya loses no matter what he does.What would toad summons do vs Susanno with Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuka?One stab from the sword and each toad goes down.And even if genjutsu doesn't work on Jiraiya because of sage mode what can genjutsu do to counter Amaterasu???
Itachi has shown more speed feats than Sage Jiraiya so there is no way Jiraiya can dodge his Amaterasu.
Jiraiya has a better arsenal of jutsu than Itachi?
We can't be sure of that because Itachi has never fought all out yet.The only real fight we've seen Itachi in was him vs Sasuke and him vs Pain.But he wasn't trying vs Sasuke and the`Nagato fight lasted like 2 chapters.
Oh and btw there is no way Itachi could have lost to Jiraiya when they confronted each other.Remember he had a crow with Shisui's eye implanted into it which he could of used it he really felt threatened.Not just that but the whole reason why Itachi killed his whole clan was because his clan was planning a Coup'detat(however you spell it) and he feared that if this happened alot of people would die then another village would attack and crush the Leaf village.So why would he kill the strongest ninja in the leaf at the time.Especially since the 3rd hokage just died???It would be against everything he sacrificed his clan for.This is why he just didn't kill Kakashi while he was under the Tsukyomi.He stated he could only draw with Jiraiya so it would act like he feared Jiraiya a little so he could plan his escape.But even if he was serious about the not being able to defeat Jiraiya without being injured,he still used MS earlier in the day.
Also if Itachi feared Jiraiya you think he would turn his back to Jiraiya and beat up Sasuke instead and leave Kisame to keep Jiraiya out of his way???
Obviously not and during the fight Kisame wasn't scared at all when talking to Jiraiya. I think he said something like "Lets sit back and watch the last of the Uchiha fight".And he was smiling showing his huge shark teeth.
Sagemode makes you able to resist genjutsu huh?Why was it never stated?Not just that but during the pain vs naruto fight when pain stabbed Naruto with the chakra rods he was seeing the rinnengan in his mind.If sage mode disrupted chakra flow that would have never happened.
My saying that was more of a logical thing. Anytime a ninja draws in external energy, a genjutsu will be broken, as per Killer B. And the rods that Nagato pierced him with weren't genjutsu. They just flooded the target with Nagato's chakra, allowing him to control them, that being how he controls corpses. It has nothing in common with genjutsu in the way you think I was describing.
It is obvious Jiraiya loses no matter what he does.What would toad summons do vs Susanno with Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuka?One stab from the sword and each toad goes down.And even if genjutsu doesn't work on Jiraiya because of sage mode what can genjutsu do to counter Amaterasu???
You're assuming that Jiraiya cannot damage Susanoo. Against Yata Mirror, every attack is useless so that was a pointless point. Do you think Jiraiya's just going to stand there and get hit by it? Orochimaru was a giant target and didn't relaize what it was, not to mention his immortality, and thus had no reason to dodge it. Jiraiya has none of those so he actually has to be cautious in battle. Jiraiya still hs the fire Sealing scroll, so that's always a viable option, though he'd have to have a clone draw it up while he's fighting or vice-versa.
I never implied that he could? And Jiraiya's speed was never a huge part of his fighting style, but he was quite fast (4.5/5). Sage Mode dramatically bolsters all aspects of a shinobi, including speed. It's not like I said he would be faster than Itachi, and the Sharingan is somewhat of an equalizer.
Jiraiya has a better arsenal of jutsu than Itachi?
We can't be sure of that because Itachi has never fought all out yet.The only real fight we've seen Itachi in was him vs Sasuke and him vs Pain.But he wasn't trying vs Sasuke and the`Nagato fight lasted like 2 chapters.
Oh and btw there is no way Itachi could have lost to Jiraiya when they confronted each other.Remember he had a crow with Shisui's eye implanted into it which he could of used it he really felt threatened.Not just that but the whole reason why Itachi killed his whole clan was because his clan was planning a Coup'detat(however you spell it) and he feared that if this happened alot of people would die then another village would attack and crush the Leaf village.So why would he kill the strongest ninja in the leaf at the time.Especially since the 3rd hokage just died???It would be against everything he sacrificed his clan for.This is why he just didn't kill Kakashi while he was under the Tsukyomi.He stated he could only draw with Jiraiya so it would act like he feared Jiraiya a little so he could plan his escape.But even if he was serious about the not being able to defeat Jiraiya without being injured,he still used MS earlier in the day.
-sigh- Directly after the Tsukuyomi bit, he ordered Kisame to kill Kakashi, Kurenai and Asume, 3 skilled Jonin. I doubt he would have had any more trouble ordering the same for Jiraiya, except by his own admission he couldn't. And there was always Tsunade, though she had been gone and depressed, but how likely would it be that he knew that?
Also if Itachi feared Jiraiya you think he would turn his back to Jiraiya and beat up Sasuke instead and leave Kisame to keep Jiraiya out of his way???
Obviously not and during the fight Kisame wasn't scared at all when talking to Jiraiya. I think he said something like "Lets sit back and watch the last of the Uchiha fight".And he was smiling showing his huge shark teeth.
Have you not read the chapter? Jiraiya was about to fight them, but Sasuke told him not to and that it was his fight, and Jiraiay acceded to his wishes. Itachi didn't leave Kisame to do anything. When Jiraiya made a move Kisame said he'd have to deal with him first. Kisame already said that Jiraiya was stronger than him, and this is a guy with great pride in his abilities. Kisame, nor I, said he was scared of Jiraiya.
It's like you didn't read anything and put words into mouth.
I’m not impressed by your performance. For all your teasing, jabs, ignorance and arrogance; is this is really the best you can come up with? A bunch of assumptions coupled with statements made in the manga, which you ironically haven’t even disproven. That giant wall-of-text is nothing but smoke and mirrors and I think, deep down, you know it.
From the outside, it looks like a good and well-thought out post, yet when you bring out the microscope all you see is an argument based entirely on whether or not a person “look “ like he would say something. I don’t know you, but I don’t know anybody who wins arguments’ like that. You have already been disproven twice in this thread (Itachi stating that and whether or not they were talking about Naruto ), yet you talk about people not being worthy of your time, bullocks.
Remind me, what was the point of showing people getting praised? I mean, your holier than thou attitude fell short the moment you failed to back up your fan-fiction. Kisame is a warrior, and a cocky one at that, obviously he’s going to have his game-face on when he faces his opponent directly. It’s called common sense and common warfare. What did you expect? Did you expect him to see him trembling in fear? What made that statement so powerful was the fact that Kisame didn’t take crap from anybody, he even doubted Itachi could take him out, alone; hence the word implied. The only way you can question the validity of a source, is if you can find statements directly contradicting the statement in discussion, by the way, which you have completely failed to do.
Ironically, you even bring out Orchimaru’s statement which was said when Itachi wasn’t present. Your entire arguments were, falsely, dependant on the fact Kisame didn’t utter those words to Jiraya’s face, and then you go on to use the statement Oro made to your advantage, which completely contradicts your entire point.:|
I’m sure the fanboys will jump all over it, however no factual/logical arguments were present in your long response.It's what it's. Kishi will always be right and, he alone, is the only one who can correct/change stuff he drawed which would've automatically manifested itself into the current manga.Until then, you have a right to believe whatever you want, however you cannot claim it to be a fact.I could make up several, legitimate, scenarios where Orochimaru defeats Itachi, but a single person, with the Orochimaru scan will always win over me.Why? Because manga said so..U_U
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Btw, don't take it personal.Merely critiquing the post.
this guy is clearly either a troll or someone with a mental disorder.
he comments on how some of blaze releases "short teasing jabs" hurt his feelings yet he still calls people fanboys. even though his 'arguments' have been destroyed.
this guy is clearly either a troll or someone with a mental disorder.
he comments on how some of blaze releases "short teasing jabs" hurt his feelings yet he still calls people fanboys. even though his 'arguments' have been destroyed.
For those talking about improper translations, I already gave the correct, literal translation a while back. As was written in the Japanese, Kisame was NOT only respecting him as a Sannin. He said OUTRIGHT that he could not win against Jiraiya and Itachi said that a tie would be the best outcome. There was no mistaking it. But for those who don't feel like going back adn searching for it:
Kisame: "He's an opponent you might somehow be able to beat, but for me, I don't know… He's a different level." (｢アナタならどうにかこうにかやれ� ��相手でも私じゃあ分かりませんよ… 次元が違う。｣, "Anata nara dō ni ka kō ni ka yareru aite demo watashi jaa wakarimasen yo… Jigen ga chigau.")
Itachi: "Yeah… If we were to fight him, we might both be killed. If things go well, it might become a tie. this probably won't change if we were to increase our numbers." (「ああ…やり合えば二人共殺される� ��。良くて相打ちというところ…たと え人数を増やしたとしても変わらな� �だろう。」, "Aa… yariaeba futaritomo korosareru ka. Yokute aiuchi to iu tokoro …Tatoe ninzū o fuyashita toshite mo kawaranai darō.")
Kisame: "It was good that we finally found him at the ramen shop, but… his babysitter is of those 'Legendary Three Shinobi'. With him as our opponent, even the names of Konoha's Uchiha clan and Kiri's Seven Shinobi Swordsmen would be overshadowed." (｢ラーメン屋で やっと見付けたは� ��いが…お守りが あの"伝説の三忍"� ��は。彼が相手では"木ノ葉のうちは� �族"も"霧の忍刀七人衆"の名もかすん� ��しまう。｣, "Rāmenya de yatto mitsuketa wa ii ga… Omori ga ano 'Densetsu no Sannin' to wa. Kare ga aite de wa 'Konoha no Uchiha Ichizoku' mo 'Kiri no Shinobigatana Shichininshū' no na mo kasunde shimau.")
Itachi: "No matter how strong a person is, he will have a weakness…" (｢どんな強者にも弱点というのがあ� ��ものだ……｣, "Donna kyōsha ni mo jakuten to iu no ga aru mono da……")
That's all there is to it. To say that the manga or the character is wrong is just trolling or stupidity.
-sigh- There's no convincing some of you. I'm done with this thread. =_=
PFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT hahahaha equals? Where in the world did you get that? Come on give us a little something. They are not equals. It took KB Naruto, Killer Bee, AND Itachi to stop Nagato. If Itachi were equal to Nagato he would have defintiely had a bigger part in the story, since he would have been able to stop much of the Akatsuki and save the village himself. They were no where in the same league.
You are so wrong... I already gave examples on how Jiraiya could win. Both are equal and could win wih the proper strategy. Itachi already said him and Kisame can't win and with more of them they would all die (Jiraiya included). Read the manga before you say stupid things. Kisame even told Itachi not to over use his eyes and that's when he used 3 MS jutsus. Tsukuyomi on Kakashi, Tsukuyomi on Sasuke and Amaterasu to escape. Jiraiya has info on both Kisame and Itachi from his years of spying on Akatsuki. You really think Jiraiya who wasn't so confident when he was going to fight Pain (he gathered info from low class ninjas before facing Pain and even release the toad with Naruto's seal key.) To have such confidents when he was in front of both Itachi and Kisame? You seem to forget Itachi will die if he waste to much chakra from his disease, each MS jutus weakens physically,further blinds him and waste a lot of chakra. You really think Jiraiya who fought 3 Pains (Kage level each) in his base mode then all 6 Pains in Sage mode and killing 3 of them before getting surprised attacked by the revived Pains. 3 Pains> Itachi and Kisame and 6 Pains>> Itachi and Kisame. common sense and I can easily say how they can win, it's all about stategy and knowledge. with no knowledge Itachi can't beat Pain no matter what but with knowledge his chances are increased where as Jiraiya would have won if he knew Pain secrets. Best Itachi would do without knowledge would be the same as Jiraiya.
IMHO, jiraiya and itachi are pretty even. I'd give the edge to itachi though - he has some very overpowered abilities.
Also, I'd like to add, just because itachi would beat jiraiya (more often than not), it doesnt mean itachi is stronger than jiraiya. He's just a horrible match up.
Another example could be kurenai and hidan. I'm pretty certain that kurenai would beat hidan rather easily, but this doesnt mean she is stronger than hidan. Most people would say hidan is stronger, but I do feel kurenai is underrate. However, this is off topic.
My point is, just because A can beat B, it doesn't mean that A>B! And as I said, I think jiraiya and itachi are pretty even, but I'd give the edge to itachi.
Aviod eyecontact permanenty takes a lot of concentration, try to fight an Uchiha without eye contact, who can use additional Genjutsus which don't need eye contact, Amaterasu, Susanoo and a lot of other good Ninjutsus and Taijutsumoves. And Jiraiya can't still avoid Amaterasu. You have to understand, that Itachi and his techniques are faster. Amaterasu arises directly in Itachis field of vision, it's to fast for Jiraiya, no one can't dodge from it, especially someone like Raikage with full his full speed. The Sharingan was even able to follow A's movements. And Itachis Susanoo will still protect him from any of Jiraiyas attacks. A single blow of level 1 Susanoo is enough to crush a person, never mind the final stage with it's weapons.
Itachi combines the strongest Genjutsus and Ninjutsus. Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo combined in one person is already overwhelming and this is only his Mangekyo Sharingan, not the full power.
*sigh*, never had much interest in this thread due to the op not bringing up good enough facts. Merely scratching the surface but also i hate repeating myself. This will most likely be my final post in this thread, so ill entertain you U_U.
Prior to the meeting, he hailed and respected him as one of sannins;
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Firstly when jiraiya did finally arrive. Is this the reaction of somebody (kisame) who he claimed would lose to jiraiya, before their encounter;
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He repeats the phrase about him being a sannin again, but this time he goes further and mocks him right in front of him. Is the first situation, jiraiya wasnt there and he praises him. Yet in the second situation, jiriaya was there and he disrespects him. Ask your self, should it not be the other way. Where he mocks him in the first link, then respects him in his presence, yet he does the opposite.
Look at the gap between jiriaya and kisame and tell me, is this the action of somebody who isnt confident in their own abilities;
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Look at itachi's response, is this from somebody who scared;
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Look at how both (kisame and itachi) casually turned the other way to look at sasuke;
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Look at how itachi casually walks to sasuke. Turns his back at jiraiya. Seems like he has great confidence in kisame to leave him to jiraiya;
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Itachi beats sasuke causally to a pulp with taijutsu;
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Itachi in that same day has already used tsukuyomi on kakashi. After beating sasuke to a pulp, he need not use tsukuyomi. He couldve saved his chakra for jiraiya if he really did consider jiraiya a threat, yet he used another tsukuyomi this time on sasuke right infront of jiraiya. Is this the action of a man who is scared. To use another high chakra consumption technique right before the man whom you claim at best you would draw against?;
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Only when has naruto distracted kisame, did jiraiya have the time to use his frog stomach technique. Before he was kept at bay;
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Kisame asked itachi and i quote ' why is a retreat necessary". Is this the words of somebody who was scared of the situation. He questioned itachi's motive. Kisame himself when the time came wasnt fazed by jiraiya at all. Anyway itachi gave him an excuse to which he believed;
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Kisame questions itachi again in relation to the kyuubi and itachi again gives him an excuse. Not that in this seen was when kisame has defeated the 4th tailed jinchrucki and complained of being abit tired. Kisame most likely assumes that naruto is still jiraiya's keeper and yet he isnt exactly afraid of going after the 9 tails;
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All youve said in this paragraph holds no substance and ill start by asking what exactly is a sannin. I always laugh whenever i hear people in vs threads say "jiraiya/oro/tsunade would win because he is a sannin". What exatly is a sannin?. This is what is a sannin is;
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After being defeated by Hanzou, he gave them the title sannin. Such a title holds little relevance especially in vs threads. In the manga it holds a bit of substance, due to hype of hanzou. Hope you note the word hype;
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What im trying to say is that in the manga there has been alot of hype about people. But that doesnt mean that due to their hype they are strong enough nor does it mean, when a character praises a fellow strong character does it mean they are establishing inferiority between them and the character in question and ill demonstrate.
Zetsu praise for jiraiya;
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Oro gives praise to sarutobi twice in the link below yet mocks him in the scene. He has great respect for what he has done, but that doesnt mean he is establishing inferiority to him;
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Oonoki out of respects praises madara (who is actually tobi but thats not the point) and acknowledges his strength;
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Yet when the time comes, although he still holds madara in high regards in the situation he isnt nerves to challenge him;
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What im trying to say is that just because a character has commented on another character doesnt mean they are inferior to them. They just acknowledge their hype or abilities. Whenever a character has acknowledged another characters abilities, this never seizes them from encountering the person whom they praised. Its respect for another strong character.
Similarly just because a character has praised anotehr character who they beat does not mean that they are inferior to the character they beat. Its just out of respect. Seems like alot of people take confuse praise with inferiority. Thats how it is in the manga. Strong characters have praise for each other. Example after sasuke defeats orochimaru, he downplays his victory and claims that its because oro was weakened did he have the chance to win. Although i agree that a oro at his best would challenge sasuke all the way, but the point im making is that, thats how characters in the manga are. They praise one another;
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Similarly alot of people have blown what pein's words out of context and even claimed jiraiya > pein. Yet it was praise for his former sensei and in the link he says this himself;
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Finally, only when two ninja's have been in battle can the losers inferiority hold any substance, otherwise what they say is out of admiration or respect. Itachi has already bested oro and oro acknowledged his as being superior to him;
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Similarly itachi has bested kakashi and kakashi acknowledges this;
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Personally i wasn't impressed with the op for me to create such a post. All he said was scrap the surface with data book and what a character has said. If mayn people on this forum where to analyse a situation in depth, i would enjoy nb more, but due to this ive with hold from getting into any sort of arguments because a lot of people on this site are either simple minded or refuse to analyse things. Now alot of people might say im an itachi fan, sure ive never denied this, but you see ive great reasons for saying itachi> jiraiya and kisame > jiraiya, whilst the others that say otherwise merely quote what a character has said about another character. Others say i over analyse situaitons, i dont think so i just like to get to the bottom of things instead of using what a character has said, which if you translate it, its either praise or admiration.
So far nobody has come up with a good enough reason why they believe jiraiya > kisame or jiraiya > itachi. The merely bring up the same thing over and over again. Nothing interesting if you ask me. I do intend this to be my last post in this thread though
you make it long and presentable but overall it is trash
if jiraiya used that frog stomach first then itachi and kisame wouldl flee and there will be no action.
its like in the situation that nagato vs naruto and bee..(by using ur perspective nagato is not afraid of itachi and doesnt recon him as threat?)
and then itachi finally makes his move
and where is the f*cking scan that youre talking about the one that kisame block jiraiya????? come on show us. maybe in youre imagination and delution youre talking about that kisame block jiraiya. dont comment untill you give me that scan u were talking about
For those talking about improper translations, I already gave the correct, literal translation a while back. As was written in the Japanese, Kisame was NOT only respecting him as a Sannin. He said OUTRIGHT that he could not win against Jiraiya and Itachi said that a tie would be the best outcome. There was no mistaking it. But for those who don't feel like going back adn searching for it:
Kisame: "He's an opponent you might somehow be able to beat, but for me, I don't know… He's a different level." (｢アナタならどうにかこうにかやれ� ��相手でも私じゃあ分かりませんよ… 次元が違う。｣, "Anata nara dō ni ka kō ni ka yareru aite demo watashi jaa wakarimasen yo… Jigen ga chigau.")
Itachi: "Yeah… If we were to fight him, we might both be killed. If things go well, it might become a tie. this probably won't change if we were to increase our numbers." (「ああ…やり合えば二人共殺される� ��。良くて相打ちというところ…たと え人数を増やしたとしても変わらな� �だろう。」, "Aa… yariaeba futaritomo korosareru ka. Yokute aiuchi to iu tokoro …Tatoe ninzū o fuyashita toshite mo kawaranai darō.")
Kisame: "It was good that we finally found him at the ramen shop, but… his babysitter is of those 'Legendary Three Shinobi'. With him as our opponent, even the names of Konoha's Uchiha clan and Kiri's Seven Shinobi Swordsmen would be overshadowed." (｢ラーメン屋で やっと見付けたは� ��いが…お守りが あの"伝説の三忍"� ��は。彼が相手では"木ノ葉のうちは� �族"も"霧の忍刀七人衆"の名もかすん� ��しまう。｣, "Rāmenya de yatto mitsuketa wa ii ga… Omori ga ano 'Densetsu no Sannin' to wa. Kare ga aite de wa 'Konoha no Uchiha Ichizoku' mo 'Kiri no Shinobigatana Shichininshū' no na mo kasunde shimau.")
Itachi: "No matter how strong a person is, he will have a weakness…" (｢どんな強者にも弱点というのがあ� ��ものだ……｣, "Donna kyōsha ni mo jakuten to iu no ga aru mono da……")
That's all there is to it. To say that the manga or the character is wrong is just trolling or stupidity.
-sigh- There's no convincing some of you. I'm done with this thread. =_=
You see how this one manga scan changes everything? Itachi was lying to Kisame to protect the village. How hard is it to understand? I know you will not admit to defeat but at least give the benefit of the doubt. The fact he praise the 3 sannin then is later shown owning the hell out Orochimaru tells you something about Itachi. He is keeping Kisame gassed up so Kisame won't think Itachi was being a double agent or something.
11 year old Itachi off paneled Orochimaru,who bested Jiraiya without arms.
The conclusion isn't so difficult to come to.
The Frog Song requires a lot of prep,and Jiraiya has to retreat from combat to operate the delaying part,which is very difficult for someone who can launch a jutsu faster than the sharingan can register.
Pain was already plot-retarded for not bringing out deva path before the frog song idea got in the plot,which'd end the fight in half of a panel.
You see how this one manga scan changes everything? Itachi was lying to Kisame to protect the village. How hard is it to understand? I know you will not admit to defeat but at least give the benefit of the doubt. The fact he praise the 3 sannin then is later shown owning the hell out Orochimaru tells you something about Itachi. He is keeping Kisame gassed up so Kisame won't think Itachi was being a double agent or something.
Anyway, Itachi wasn't exactly helping out the village by telling Kisame to kill its second strongest available ninja (Kakashi) and two other skilled Jonin.
Jiraiya and Oro have a vastly different skill set. That's akin to all the arguments I've seen by users claiming Oro is stronger than Jiraiya because Jiraiya almost died against 4-Tailed Naruto because they didn't note the differences in their abilities and such. Itachi could have simply opted not to fight him. Kisame doesn't really question or undermine his authority ever. If he really thought Itachi could have beaten him, he would have been more suspicious. However, even he said that "someone like you may be able to go up against him", not trash and or troll him.
11 year old Itachi off paneled Orochimaru,who bested Jiraiya without arms.
The conclusion isn't so difficult to come to.
The Frog Song requires a lot of prep,and Jiraiya has to retreat from combat to operate the delaying part,which is very difficult for someone who can launch a jutsu faster than the sharingan can register.
Pain was already plot-retarded for not bringing out deva path before the frog song idea got in the plot,which'd end the fight in half of a panel.
Itachi was about 13 by the way.
And there are plenty of ways of escaping from combat temporarily, with clones being the best choice.
Why would Nagato risk his most powerful Path? The Toad Confrontation Song showed him to be correct in not doing that.
I doubt it would have ended the fight as quickly as you say.
Anyway, Itachi wasn't exactly helping out the village by telling Kisame to kill its second strongest available ninja (Kakashi) and two other skilled Jonin.
Jiraiya and Oro have a vastly different skill set. That's akin to all the arguments I've seen by users claiming Oro is stronger than Jiraiya because Jiraiya almost died against 4-Tailed Naruto because they didn't note the differences in their abilities and such. Itachi could have simply opted not to fight him. Kisame doesn't really question or undermine his authority ever. If he really thought Itachi could have beaten him, he would have been more suspicious. However, even he said that "someone like you may be able to go up against him", not trash and or troll him.
Itachi was about 13 by the way.
And there are plenty of ways of escaping from combat temporarily, with clones being the best choice.
Why would Nagato risk his most powerful Path? The Toad Confrontation Song showed him to be correct in not doing that.
I doubt it would have ended the fight as quickly as you say.
Actually no. He was made an ANBU captain at age 13 as said by Kakashi. And obviously that means he was still in the village at the time. The massacre came not that long after that.
