Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

[siyo]

Not really Fanboy:

Jiraiya can seal amaterasu, even if he is burning, he can reverse summon himself away and seal it or whatever, also he wont fall for Amaterasu, he knows of it remember, he has already encountered Sharingan and he probably learned a few things about sharingan from Kakashi and he is fast enough to keep away from susano... also Itachi can probably only amaterasu, tsukoyomi and susano once then he is out of chakra. he has low stamina compared to jiraiya.

Tell me: How can itachi defeat an army of toads: Gamaken, Gamabunta, various other toads, Ma and Pa, Jiraiya SM or without, clones and swamp and much more.

By the way Jiraiya is fast enough, also he can use body flicher technique and reverse summon and much more, he can avoid Tsukuyomi easily we all know that, he can get away and seal amaterasu if needed and he can just keep a good distance to itachi if he uses susano, at some point itachi would run out of chakra.

Also jiraiya is way faster than itachi, when he enters SM which he will easily get time to do, also Genjutsu: Ma and Pa would use genjutsu which would be a problem for anyone even itachi.

You can't say that Itachi will rape Jiraiya or Vice Versa.....

Good post.

 

[HighDef]

Alright, Jiraiya never defeated Orochimaru, why? Probably because he never went all out, but Jiraiya has been stated on NB to be far the strongest and most skilled sannin

Orochimaru was not really fighting itachi, he was trying to take his eyes, if it was a real fight, itachi would have serious problems. We all know that

Excuses based purely on your speculation of the outcome and not what really happened.

Yes he was killed by nagato, after killing 3 paths, one of them twice, he had no knowledge, he started of in base mode... so tell me again was this a fair battle, and do you really think jiraiya is weak enough? he could have defeated Nagato if he had info.

Again your personal speculation.

Show me where you got that from, that itachi sealed nagato?

LOL. Either you don't read the manga or you are very ignorant as to what goes on in the series. Or both.

Kisame stated he was way out of his league, and itachi clearly stated them together only would make a stalemate even with assistance, plus nagato also stated he would have won if he had known his secret.

That was since the series was just Naruto. Stop living in the past, we are at Shipudden now where recent battles have put these "translated quotes" to rest.

Stop arguing "what you think/believe" and argue with what he know -- facts as I have done.

 

[edgarmagician]

Itachi and Uchiha fanboys, overall, can't or would not see reason. All they say, Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukyonomi like they would just spam that attack from the start.

We all saw through the Manga that everytime Itachi used Tsukynomi (Sp) he had to retreat because it took a toll on him. Once he use Amaterasu, he had to retreat as well. How long was Sasuke's and Itachi's fight? Not that long and they were both out of Chakra.

Itachi used Susanoo as a last resort.

When Sasuke used Susanoo and Amaterasu against the Kages, what happened, he ran out of chakra and was about to get owned by the Mizukage.

Jiraya has almost the same amount of chakra as base Naruto. He has the stamina to go the long fight.

I still believe that Jiraya can beat Itachi aside from the fact that Itachi said it himself.

 

[Viewtiful]

Alright, Jiraiya never defeated Orochimaru, why? Probably because he never went all out, but Jiraiya has been stated on NB to be far the strongest and most skilled sannin

Stat wise, he is. But I don't really care since they have such different abilities that comparisons between them based off of fights with others isn't so simple.

Orochimaru was not really fighting itachi, he was trying to take his eyes, if it was a real fight, itachi would have serious problems. We all know that

If Oro could have given Itachi a run for his money, he would have. Instead, he took Oro down with a single Genjutsu. Everyone is weak to Itachi's Illusions. It's the kryptonite of all...

Excuses based purely on your speculation of the outcome and not what really happened.

Except Pain stated that himself:

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Again your personal speculation.

Nope, it wasn't him speculating. The last picture I posted in a quote or two above show that.

Show me where you got that from, that itachi sealed nagato?

Do you not read the manga?

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That was since the series was just Naruto. Stop living in the past, we are at Shipudden now where recent battles have put these "translated quotes" to rest.

Except the character knows about their abilities and said they couldn't win. I don't see the problem.

Stop arguing "what you think/believe" and argue with what he know -- facts as I have done.

He wasn't arguing with what he believed without warrant, as it was stated with no ulterior motives.
And yes I know you weren't talking to me. However I needed to set you straight on some things.

 

[Tsukuyomi47]

fgs just listen and dont speak...
Kenshin>Konoha

 

[Zato]

Lol this thread is still going? YOU ALL ARE WASTING YOUR TIME!

 

[JinxxHatake]

Very interesting view! + Rep

 

[joshuasama]

u are just a jiraya fan boy. jiraya new konans weakness bcos he was her master. madara said itachi pin pointed akatsuki now datzz his dead we a r free, datz alone mins itachi is d strongest in akazuki. if narutos shuriken cannot bypass susano, den i dont tink jiraya has any attack dat can. wit yata mirror and sword of totsuka accompanyed wit ameteratsu all jirayas attacks and summons are useless. itachi will defeat jiraya wit medium to maximum difficulty...

 

[ghetto gladiator]

the only reason jiraiya didn't beat pain is because he didn't know all the abilities of the rennegan, he mopped up 3 of them and wasn't expecting there would be more. itachi said even with kisame and more, numbers don't matter they can't just beat him like that.jiraiya was familiar with itachi's techniques excepting amaterasu i suppose, but he knew nothing of the rennegan's abilities until the last moment when it was too late, and he still could've escaped if he wanted to

 

[joshuasama]

the only reason jiraiya didn't beat pain is because he didn't know all the abilities of the rennegan, he mopped up 3 of them and wasn't expecting there would be more. itachi said even with kisame and more, numbers don't matter they can't just beat him like that.jiraiya was familiar with itachi's techniques excepting amaterasu i suppose, but he knew nothing of the rennegan's abilities until the last moment when it was too late, and he still could've escaped if he wanted to

jiraya was nt familiar wit itachi techniques, bcos he was suprise dat ders a fire dat can burn d stomach of a mountain forg, meaning it was d first tym he saw ameteratsu... nobody is sayin jiraya is not strong but itachi is someone who bcame a jounin at d age of 8, and bcame anbu sqaud leader at 13. at dat age jiraya was stil a genin. itachi is a genus whos prowess is unrivaled..

 

[Lentz]

Not really Fanboy:

Jiraiya can seal amaterasu, even if he is burning, he can reverse summon himself away and seal it or whatever, also he wont fall for Amaterasu, he knows of it remember, he has already encountered Sharingan and he probably learned a few things about sharingan from Kakashi and he is fast enough to keep away from susano... also Itachi can probably only amaterasu, tsukoyomi and susano once then he is out of chakra. he has low stamina compared to jiraiya.

Tell me: How can itachi defeat an army of toads: Gamaken, Gamabunta, various other toads, Ma and Pa, Jiraiya SM or without, clones and swamp and much more.

By the way Jiraiya is fast enough, also he can use body flicher technique and reverse summon and much more, he can avoid Tsukuyomi easily we all know that, he can get away and seal amaterasu if needed and he can just keep a good distance to itachi if he uses susano, at some point itachi would run out of chakra.

Also jiraiya is way faster than itachi, when he enters SM which he will easily get time to do, also Genjutsu: Ma and Pa would use genjutsu which would be a problem for anyone even itachi.

You can't say that Itachi will rape Jiraiya or Vice Versa.....


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[Killahkels]

I think when they met Itachi just didnt want to draw any attention to their battle

 

[Viewtiful]

I think when they met Itachi just didnt want to draw any attention to their battle

If that were true he wouldn't have entered Konoha or fought Asuma and Kurenai at all.

 

[Viewtiful]

they ran away from asuma specifically not to draw attention

Um, no. They ran away when Guy said that he'd told the ANBU of what was happening and that they were on their way to assist them. They had no problem fighting and eliminating Kakashi and co.

 

[Gutsy]

jiraya was nt familiar wit itachi techniques, bcos he was suprise dat ders a fire dat can burn d stomach of a mountain forg, meaning it was d first tym he saw ameteratsu... nobody is sayin jiraya is not strong but itachi is someone who bcame a jounin at d age of 8, and bcame anbu sqaud leader at 13. at dat age jiraya was stil a genin. itachi is a genus whos prowess is unrivaled..

You can't say that because jiraiya was still genin at that time, it prowess Itachi was more skilled and better.

Naruto is still Genin and he has surpassed pretty much everyone.

 

[jhuztin21]

jiraiyan uderrated.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

to your last part... jiraiya trained konan so he knows her most jutsus revolves around paper.. thats why he could dispose her as a fodder... if he did not knew about konan on the before hand then jiraiya had to waste more chakra and tie

 

[siyo]

to your last part... jiraiya trained konan so he knows her most jutsus revolves around paper.. thats why he could dispose her as a fodder... if he did not knew about konan on the before hand then jiraiya had to waste more chakra and tie

The point was Jiraiya manages to deduce people's weaknesses in a short amount of time. It doesn't really matter if he knew her or not, because he was only with her for a couple of years and she had plenty of time to grow as a shinobi/person (which she obviously did), so you can't really dispute how impressively and decisively he dealt with her.

 

[The Real Sanji]

Yep Jman can defeat Itachi.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

If your base for such a thread is on data book stats then you really dont have an argument im afraid. Sure they might have the same stats, but stats do not decide a fight. Loads of things decide a fight and if you were to analyse their abilities in detail and disregard stats, youd come to the conclusion that itachi is superior to jiraiya.

The first paragraph was enough for me.

there absolutly is no point in arguing with you. you clearly are a itachi fan and will say anything to defend him. your disregard for everything else he wrote is frankly a bitch thing to say. dont act like everything he said was wrong just cuz you read the first paragraph and didnt like not that it would matter cuz no matter what he wrote you will always defend itachi so stfu.