Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

[ajpn920]

I could not have said it any better myself.You can't win an argument against a person who denies what's written in the manga (unless said manga contradicts itself on the topic at hand).



Unfortunately, I see my thread going down the toilet with all the fanatics arriving one by one.

Agreed. Like they always do. Neglecting facts to satisfy themselves. They think Itachi is god.

itachi said that an non uchiha can't beat him.

so there you go if you wanna play that hype game

You are really a fanboy. You can't accept the fact that the best Itachi can do against Jiraiya is stalemate. You even called it a lie but when he said that a non uchiha can't beat him, you regard it as a truth even if it was a lie. If what you said is true then how on earth Hashirama, a non uchiha defeated Madara? Don't tell me Itachi is stronger than Madara because that's totally insane...Senju is not an uchiha. There you go..you failed again....

everything itachi said in part one is a lie

Absolutely BS..

itachi also said that only an uchiha can beat him no lie

True in the eyes of a fanboy like you. Definitely not in the eyes of many...

 

[Sozaa]

Pizcobaby said Kisame is way out of Jiraiya's level:

Lol. Kisame lost to Might Guy. There is no way Guy Sensei is more powerful, skilled, experienced, smarter, or in possession of more jutsu than Lord Jiraiya, the legendary Sannin. Your argument is fail.

Jiraiya is the Kage level Shinobi Sage who taught the Yellow Flash, the Copy Cat Ninja, and the Jinchhuriki Sage. Kisame is an S-rank criminal, one who possessed an enormous amount of chakra and a powerful sword, but still just a name in a bingo book to be crossed off by a Leaf Jonin who uses nothing but taijutsu.

You people and your Sasuke this, Kisame that arguments twist facts around an awful lot to supplier uplift arguments... but the you would have to.. because the facts as laid out by the manga plainly indicate that team Naruto (Jiraiya, Kakashi, Minato, Nagato, the Kage's, Naruto, Killer Bee) are all more powerful than team Weaksauce (Sasuke, Danzo, Kisame, Tobi).

Itachi and Kabuto are somewhere in the middle (team wise, not skill) but the reality is neither of them could guarantee a victory against Jiraiya in single combat. That said, both of them could (and likely would) end Sasuke's life given the chance and so would any of team Naruto.

Now quit trolling.

 

[Gutsy]

It will probably end in a stalemate, but it could go either way, though i believe Jiraiya is just a little bit ahead og Itachi when it comes to them fighting.

Though im not sure, id have to se them both fight eachother to make an epic fight!

Right now i believe Jiraiya>= Itachi

Could go either way

 

[Martano]

I think that Pervy Sage would win this, for reasons already stated.

 

[Deleted member 107247]

<div class="bbWrapper">Sometimes I wish the creators of Manga like Naruto would just come out with a list of who the strongest are in order. But they rather keep us guessing. I guess that's the fun in it.</div>

 

[Raito]

hmm i still dont believe itachi can beat jairya. the best he could do is a stalemate.

Yes, of course. Jiraiya would have to fight already in the beginning without any eye contact and with lightning speed. Also he should have the power to handle with Susanoos attack and break through Susanoos absolute defense, including to yatas mirror.

Even without being an Itachi fan, you should see their difference in strength. One eye to eye contact destroys him instantly, one glance of Itachi kills him, one blow of Susanoo crush him and protects Itachi from any attack. You just an Itachi-hater, that's the point.

Before Jiraiya reaches the Senninmode, he gets hit by Amaterasu or one of his various Genjutsus ten times. Have I really to remind you, how long it took until Jiraiya reached the Senninmode? About 5-10 minutes? Have I to remind you, what Jiraiya did meanwhile against Chikushodo? Did he fought or did he run away?

When he already ran away from Chikushodo, do you think he will manage a full power Itachi, who can use various Genjutsus, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo including to Totsukas Sword and Yatas Mirror? Let alone his other abilitys, like his excellent Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, his perfect use of weapons and mastermind?

I feel sorry for you, you just an Itachi hater who lack some common sense. In each thread with Itachi it's too hard for you to determine Itachi as the stronger one, even if we don't even know a little bit of his opponents strength. I feel really sorry for you, bro.

 

[Sozaa]

@Above

In the words of the Kazekage.. "Have you never fought a Shinobi before?'

Itachi's phenominal jutsu withstanding- there's no chance of Itachi beating Jiraiya in the manner you just described. Read my previous post for an explanation.

..and then quit trolling.

 

[Gutsy]

Yes, of course. Jiraiya would have to fight already in the beginning without any eye contact and with lightning speed. Also he should have the power to handle with Susanoos attack and break through Susanoos absolute defense, including to yatas mirror.

Even without being an Itachi fan, you should see their difference in strength. One eye to eye contact destroys him instantly, one glance of Itachi kills him, one blow of Susanoo crush him and protects Itachi from any attack. You just an Itachi-hater, that's the point.

Before Jiraiya reaches the Senninmode, he gets hit by Amaterasu or one of his various Genjutsus ten times. Have I really to remind you, how long it took until Jiraiya reached the Senninmode? About 5-10 minutes? Have I to remind you, what Jiraiya did meanwhile against Chikushodo? Did he fought or did he run away?

When he already ran away from Chikushodo, do you think he will manage a full power Itachi, who can use various Genjutsus, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo including to Totsukas Sword and Yatas Mirror? Let alone his other abilitys, like his excellent Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, his perfect use of weapons and mastermind?

I feel sorry for you, you just an Itachi hater who lack some common sense. In each thread with Itachi it's too hard for you to determine Itachi as the stronger one, even if we don't even know a little bit of his opponents strength. I feel really sorry for you, bro.

Itachi fan boy....

They are equals.

To your questions: Jiraiya can easily avoid Itachi with eye contact no questions asked, Jiraiya can easily avoid Genjutsu, he knows all about Sharingan. Also he knows about Amaterasu which he can avoid or seal, (if sasuke can dodge it by just running to the side, then Jiraiya can too, he wont fall easily to amaterasu, also he can reverse summon) Jiraiya vs Itachi Susano.... well not really a problem, Jiraiya just avoids itachi until he is out of chakra.

Jiraiya can summon 2 giant toad bosses, and many other toads, also using earth (swamp of the underworld, which could probably sink itachi and susano) Fire release he is quite skilled. Jiraiya can also use his toad techniques to capture him and he got shadow clones to avoid him, plus jiraiya got rasengan.

He can easily get time to enter SM. In SM jiraiya is hell against anyone with Ma & Pa then Genjutsu wont work on him, also Ma & Pa got Genjutsu (genjutsu works on anyone, also Itachi) Jiraiya got Senpou Goemon which can reduce anything to cinders. Chou Oodoma Rasengan said to carve out a mountain. Many other Sage Art techniques.

Jiraiya SM close combat vs Itachi close combat... itachi fails.

You are such a big fan of itachi your blind to Jiraiya's abilities. He can easily work around Itachi's abilities. Also this is not a thread to discuss a battle, it is to discuss if they are equal, which they are.

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Itachi: he said he could only make a stalemate with Jiraiya
Kisame: he stated jiraiya was way out of his league
Pein: Said Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret

Now Tell me, do you really think Itachi would rape Jiraiya?

And please stop being a fanboy, or just leave this thread alone...

 

[Raito]

I'm amused.

First of all, tell me the the manga chapter, where it was said that Jiraiya knows all abothe Sharingan. If you say he knows, then tell me the chapter it was said.

Secondly, tell me how he will avoid Amaterasu. Sealing away? Do you think Jiraiya would seal Amaterasu aaway in the moment of use? Nonsense. That Jiraiya would run just away is nonsense too. The fight against Sasuke was fake, Itachi was lavish with his techniques to reach his limit earlier. Amaterasu arises directly in the Mangekyou Sharingans field of vision. If you think, that a normal Shinobi could escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, you just stupid. The Sharingan sees through movements, what it makes just easier to target him.

It seems that you forget, that Itachi can use Shadow clones as well. And if you think, Itachi would go in close combat with SM Jiraiya, you're a dreamer. Itachi could easy activate Susanoo to crush him.

No, I'm tired, I have no desire to discuss further, the discussion will only turn in circles.

 

[Gutsy]

I'm amused.

First of all, tell me the the manga chapter, where it was said that Jiraiya knows all abothe Sharingan. If you say he knows, then tell me the chapter it was said.

Secondly, tell me how he will avoid Amaterasu. Sealing away? Do you think Jiraiya would seal Amaterasu aaway in the moment of use? Nonsense. That Jiraiya would run just away is nonsense too. The fight against Sasuke was fake, Itachi was lavish with his techniques to reach his limit earlier. Amaterasu arises directly in the Mangekyou Sharingans field of vision. If you think, that a normal Shinobi could escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, you just stupid. The Sharingan sees through movements, what it makes just easier to target him.

It seems that you forget, that Itachi can use Shadow clones as well. And if you think, Itachi would go in close combat with SM Jiraiya, you're a dreamer. Itachi could easy activate Susanoo to crush him.

No, I'm tired, I have no desire to discuss further, the discussion will only turn in circles.

Not really Fanboy:

Jiraiya can seal amaterasu, even if he is burning, he can reverse summon himself away and seal it or whatever, also he wont fall for Amaterasu, he knows of it remember, he has already encountered Sharingan and he probably learned a few things about sharingan from Kakashi and he is fast enough to keep away from susano... also Itachi can probably only amaterasu, tsukoyomi and susano once then he is out of chakra. he has low stamina compared to jiraiya.

Tell me: How can itachi defeat an army of toads: Gamaken, Gamabunta, various other toads, Ma and Pa, Jiraiya SM or without, clones and swamp and much more.

By the way Jiraiya is fast enough, also he can use body flicher technique and reverse summon and much more, he can avoid Tsukuyomi easily we all know that, he can get away and seal amaterasu if needed and he can just keep a good distance to itachi if he uses susano, at some point itachi would run out of chakra.

Also jiraiya is way faster than itachi, when he enters SM which he will easily get time to do, also Genjutsu: Ma and Pa would use genjutsu which would be a problem for anyone even itachi.

You can't say that Itachi will rape Jiraiya or Vice Versa.....


Itachi fanboy

 

[Crimsonsamurai4]

Nice research. +REP.

 

[Gutsy]

Nice research. +REP.

who are you +rep?

 

[asad70ful]

Kishi has made Itachi and Nagato equal and Jiraiya got beaten by him.

Itachi = Nagato > Jiraiya

itachi is not equal to nagato

 

[Inspector]

I dont know how can keep arguing about such vs treads but its always charc > charc while al charc have other weakneses so for god sake 1 charc can be stronger 2 charc the 3 charc can be stronger then the 1 charc as the 2 charc can beat the 3 charc isnt that enough everyone gets beaten unless your a god and immortal ugh

 

[The Eye]

Itachi fan boy....

They are equals.

To your questions: Jiraiya can easily avoid Itachi with eye contact no questions asked, Jiraiya can easily avoid Genjutsu, he knows all about Sharingan. Also he knows about Amaterasu which he can avoid or seal, (if sasuke can dodge it by just running to the side, then Jiraiya can too, he wont fall easily to amaterasu, also he can reverse summon) Jiraiya vs Itachi Susano.... well not really a problem, Jiraiya just avoids itachi until he is out of chakra.

Jiraiya can summon 2 giant toad bosses, and many other toads, also using earth (swamp of the underworld, which could probably sink itachi and susano) Fire release he is quite skilled. Jiraiya can also use his toad techniques to capture him and he got shadow clones to avoid him, plus jiraiya got rasengan.

He can easily get time to enter SM. In SM jiraiya is hell against anyone with Ma & Pa then Genjutsu wont work on him, also Ma & Pa got Genjutsu (genjutsu works on anyone, also Itachi) Jiraiya got Senpou Goemon which can reduce anything to cinders. Chou Oodoma Rasengan said to carve out a mountain. Many other Sage Art techniques.

Jiraiya SM close combat vs Itachi close combat... itachi fails.

You are such a big fan of itachi your blind to Jiraiya's abilities. He can easily work around Itachi's abilities. Also this is not a thread to discuss a battle, it is to discuss if they are equal, which they are.

Quote by:

Itachi: he said he could only make a stalemate with Jiraiya
Kisame: he stated jiraiya was way out of his league
Pein: Said Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret

Now Tell me, do you really think Itachi would rape Jiraiya?

And please stop being a fanboy, or just leave this thread alone...

Praises like those dont just come out for nothing

 

[HighDef]

Fools can never reason.

Using the chapter where Jiraiya met Itachi and Kisame for reference to who would win, especially since the manga has long gone past that point, is ignorant.

Jiraiya never beat Orochimaru. Fact.
Itachi stopped Orochimaru when he was in his youth. Fact
Jiraiya was killed by Nagato. Fact
Itachi not only stopped, but sealed a Nagato far more powerful than what Jiraiya faced. Fact

 

[Viewtiful]

Why the heck are fanboys still debating this? It was stated in the series. Multiple characters said they would have lost to Jiraiya, but the circumstances weren't in his favor at the time (Pain fight). Arguing with the series about what characters believe about themselves in regards to who they could beat is completely idiotic.

 

[Owarij]

Why the heck are fanboys still debating this? It was stated in the series. Multiple characters said they would have lost to Jiraiya, but the circumstances weren't in his favor at the time (Pain fight). Arguing with the series about what characters believe about themselves in regards to who they could beat is completely idiotic.

Once again i refer to part 1 naruto stating he could beat sasuke, this was before he learnt summoning and rasengan...


Was that statement correct? no.... characters have opinons..

as tobi stated itachi had motive to lie that day....and even kisame was suspicious about his actions that day.... and asked why they were retreating with itachi's power..

 

[Thewhiteflash]

according to the manga itachi and nagato are deemed equals whatever the fanboys say lol this is the fact. now as for jiraiya i think itachi will finally solo him with high diff.

 

[Gutsy]

Fools can never reason.

Using the chapter where Jiraiya met Itachi and Kisame for reference to who would win, especially since the manga has long gone past that point, is ignorant.

Jiraiya never beat Orochimaru. Fact.
Itachi stopped Orochimaru when he was in his youth. Fact
Jiraiya was killed by Nagato. Fact
Itachi not only stopped, but sealed a Nagato far more powerful than what Jiraiya faced. Fact

Your quite new are you?

Alright, Jiraiya never defeated Orochimaru, why? Probably because he never went all out, but Jiraiya has been stated on NB to be far the strongest and most skilled sannin.

Orochimaru was not really fighting itachi, he was trying to take his eyes, if it was a real fight, itachi would have serious problems. We all know that.

Yes he was killed by nagato, after killing 3 paths, one of them twice, he had no knowledge, he started of in base mode... so tell me again was this a fair battle, and do you really think jiraiya is weak enough? he could have defeated Nagato if he had info.

Show me where you got that from, that itachi sealed nagato?

By the way praises like:

Kisame stated he was way out of his league, and itachi clearly stated them together only would make a stalemate even with assistance, plus nagato also stated he would have won if he had known his secret.

Jiraiya is way more experienced and is way above many people but it is a fight between itachi and jiraiya, which would either end in a stalemate or jiraiya winning with extreme diff.

Itachi fanboy going for such stupid facts.

I'm not going off of the statements the characters have said, but the abilities they have shown and much more. Jiraiya excels in that particular area.

Thewhiteflash i got a question for you: how is it Nagato and itachi is deemed equals, when nagato also clearly stated jiraiya would have won, and itachi stated he would have made a stalemate.