Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

[Owarij]

Actually no. He was made an ANBU captain at age 13 as said by Kakashi. And obviously that means he was still in the village at the time. The massacre came not that long after that.

he didn't fight oro after leaving the village, he fought him when he met tobi , at around 11... He BECAME a captain at 13, he joined anbu at 10... and the police men said half a year after joining anbu his personality changed.....so he got the mission at 10.5


He found tobi whenever around that time and they didn't start the mission till he was 13... 3rd hokage was still trying other methods, etc

Go find the two manga pages where sasori and kisame both say itachi was 11... Hint, 1 of them was at the end of part 1

 

[edgarmagician]

+ Rep Bro. Great explanation.

 

[cabby007]

you are idiots itachi is worse than nagato, nagato stated he wouldve lost if jiraiya knew the secret of pain. The rinnegan is advanced after the eternal mangekyo sharingan which means it is better. By the law of detachment jiraiya beats itachi.

 

[Itachi2304]

lol this is absolutely HILARIOUS!!!!! I LOVE IT! haha! Ok kiddo answer this for me. Itachi has always had Koto Amatsukami present for use at any time. Are u saying Koto amatsukami wont one shot jiraya LOL!? U dont understand something. Jiraya doesnt have the speed to dodge itachis amaterasu. Raikage was standing on the other side of the battlefield and dodged sasuke's amaterasu by an inch. Jiraya definitely doesnt have the mobility to do so. If Ultimate Youthful Nagato doesnt have the mobility to fight itachi then i assure u neither does jiraya. U realize that in order for jiraya to enter sage mode he needs time right? let alone bring the toads ma and pa "which i consider impossible for him to do mid battle against itachi. DO NOT DENY IT". The only possible way jiraya could dodge his amaterasu was if he looked at itachis eyes. Which also wont guarantee his survival. If he does that he is dead.... Amaterasu was stated as an unavoidable undodgeable technique until raikage's speed was shown. Raikage dodged amaterasu 1 time. the rest of the battle he got hit by it. Tobi the man who states "jutsu doesnt work on uchiha madara" well when he was still saying he was madara.... took an amaterasu straight to the face. Lol this is all without itachi EVEN USING his susanoo LET ALONE HIS TOTSUKA AND YATA MIRROR LOL. Jiraya himself stated that orochimaru defeated him in battle. Itachi completely destroyed orochimaru 2 times. Jiraya died to nagato. Itachi complete dominated nagato to the point where nagato was called a useless bastard by kabuto. and to the point where kabuto said "Itachi is just too good for nagato....." and also "Itachi is clearly on a completely different level from everyone else. even edo tensei cant hold him". lol but thats ok we will keep arguing about itachi vs nagato and itachi vs jiraya and also itachi vs minato LOL. the fact EVERYONE keeps comparing their favorite character to itachi PROVES that itachi is the best in the series lol. "edit" Nagato basically died from the very first second of his fight against itachi. He was hit straight in the face with amaterasu. His summons all were one shotted in the process. He fell to the floor and died basically. The only reason he was even capable of doing shinra tensei was because he was edo tensei nagato. By the time edo tensei could regenerate his wounds itachi had told his entire story to naruto...... even after he did shinra it was evident the edo tensei was still regenerating his entire body after death. nagato died 2 times in that fight. the second time was the finisher

 

[edgarmagician]

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Got it from this site ^^.

Anyway action speaks louder than words.
We saw what happened when both faced jiraiya, they werent exactly nerves. Also if we were to solely go by the words of itachi then we should belief everything he says. Yes this includes what he says before we eventually find out the truth.

Going by abilities demonstrated and fighting style;
Itachi> jiraiya
Kisame > Jiraiya

Wow guy, you really are ignorant. If that was the case, then why did Kisame and Itachi ran when Jiraya summoned the frogs eso****us. If they believed they could beat Jiraya they would have done it right then and there.

 

[The Work]

Jiraiya died from shcok knowing that he was fighting his disciple....

 

[Viewtiful]

he didn't fight oro after leaving the village, he fought him when he met tobi , at around 11... He BECAME a captain at 13, he joined anbu at 10... and the police men said half a year after joining anbu his personality changed.....so he got the mission at 10.5

No. He fought Oro when he had joined Akatsuki after the massacre. He was 13-14. He wasn't in Konoha at the time. He was made an ANBU captain at 13.
I don't have the exact manga chpater to prove this, but I do have the equivalent anime image:

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He was not 10.5, but 13-14. And don't get started about how he doesn't look the proper age because Kishi has never been particularly good at making characters appear the proper age unless it's an easy distinction (old people). And this was the ONLY time he attacked Oro.

He found tobi whenever around that time and they didn't start the mission till he was 13... 3rd hokage was still trying other methods, etc

I don't remember saying how old he was when he met Tobi, but it's been shown that he attacked Oro while they were both in Akatsuki, which he joined at 13 after leaving Konoha.

Go find the two manga pages where sasori and kisame both say itachi was 11... Hint, 1 of them was at the end of part 1

Sasori wasn't even in Part 1, but I'll look for this supposed page.


Edit:

Now that I've checked it up on the Naruto Wiki, I was right. Itachi was 18 in Part 1. It says that the Uchiha massacre was five years prior to his debut in the series, 13 years old.

 

[Owarij]

No. He fought Oro when he had joined Akatsuki after the massacre. He was 13-14. He wasn't in Konoha at the time. He was made an ANBU captain at 13.
I don't have the exact manga chpater to prove this, but I do have the equivalent anime image:

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He was not 10.5, but 13-14. And don't get started about how he doesn't look the proper age because Kishi has never been particularly good at making characters appear the proper age unless it's an easy distinction (old people). And this was the ONLY time he attacked Oro.



I don't remember saying how old he was when he met Tobi, but it's been shown that he attacked Oro while they were both in Akatsuki, which he joined at 13 after leaving Konoha.



Sasori wasn't even in Part 1, but I'll look for this supposed page.


Edit:

Now that I've checked it up on the Naruto Wiki, I was right. Itachi was 18 in Part 1. It says that the Uchiha massacre was five years prior to his debut in the series, 13 years old.

sigh since ur unable to get manga pages, i'll oblige

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orochimaru left 7 years ago, stated in part 1...
itachi was 18
18-7=11

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kisame- 10 years since oro

part 2 itachi was 21 ,

21-10=11

manga facts>ur opinon
kishi wrote them, not me
kishi explained his story... you THINK itachi joined at 13....., The anime crew added in things that were never in the manga, and would have gotten people mixed up... there was a small clip with itachi joining akatsuki, and oro licking his lips etc.. that never occurred in the manga.. along with other stuff

 

[Viewtiful]

I'm certain that is an incorrect translation, as that doesn't even closely match up with the known timeline. I'll get a literal translation of it from the Naruto wiki's translator.

This has nothing to do with my opinion. The Uchiha massacre took place 5 years before the start of the series. Itachi was 17-18 when he first appeared. Thus he was 12-13 when he killed everyone. Orochimaru attacked Itachi while he was in the Akatsuki, whihc was after he left Konoha. He was in Konoha until at least 13, because as Kakashi said, he was made an ANBU captain at 13:

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He didn't get attacked until he was in the Akatuski as the picture in mt previous post shows.

 

[Owarij]

I'm certain that is an incorrect translation, as that doesn't even closely match up with the known timeline. I'll get a literal translation of it from the Naruto wiki's translator.

incorrect translation? thats the correct translation, go buy the viz manga books if you wish.... check every manga site you want -_-.... that is the known timeline.... you're referring to the popular ASSUMED timeline...there are many manga sites you can go check


you also seem to favor wikia alot...well then here you go.. right off of wikia, even though i don't normally use that website

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Events relating to Akatsuki before the start of Part II have only been given in pieces. Sasori and Orochimaru were partners for a time and were apparently very effective. Kakuzu had a number of partners that he killed in fits of rage. For this reason he was partnered with Hidan shortly before the start of Part II, Hidan's immortality meaning there would not need to be constant replacements. Itachi Uchiha apparently joined before carrying out the Uchiha clan massacre for which he defected from Konohagakure, though his membership seems to have come with the stipulation that Akatsuki could make no direct movements against Konoha. When Itachi joined, Orochimaru attempted to steal his body in order to gain the Sharingan.

If you require wikia to tell you something to know its true



as i said.. itachi found tobi at around 10.5, where they made deals, and itachi became a sorta member of akatsuki.. oro attacked him , fled at 11.. at 13 tobi and itachi killed the clan, itachi fully left konoha and joined akatsuki fully... the end.. its not hard to understand

 

[The Eye]

hmm i still dont believe itachi can beat jairya. the best he could do is a stalemate.

 

[edgarmagician]

I read to page 10 but I can't take it anymore. Itachi fanboys are on fire. LOL

 

[Viewtiful]

I favor the wiki because it's the most accurate source to get correct translations since they aren't bound by a schedule to release manga chapters.

Nice catch, didn't see that. I admit being wrong.

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

hmm i still dont believe itachi can beat jairya. the best he could do is a stalemate.

I agree with this!

 

[King Volcano]

Too bad we never saw them fight

 

[edgarmagician]

In my opinion Jiraya could or would beat Itachi with very high difficulty.

I don't believe that Genjutsu can affect Jiraya in SM. Here is why: Genjutsu takes control of your chakra flow to get you in the illusion. I don't believe that genjutsu can take control of nature chakra. At least there is nothing stated in the manga that it can.

I don't believe Itachi knew the extent of Jiraya's abilitities. Jiraya probably fought over a 1000 shinobes while Itachi was still eating his buggers. LOL

Now, it also seems like Jiraya didn't know much of Itachi's MS abilities. He was surprised when he saw the amaterasu flames. That will give Itachi an advantage. I'm sure Jiraya knew all the basic sharingan abilities so those would not have worked on Jiraya.

Sorry Itachi fanboys they wouldn't. Jiraya is that epic.

Once Itachi started spamming his MS abilities, Jiraya could easily use a kagebushin to entertain Itachi while he goes on sage mode.

If Itachi spams susanoo, Jiraya could use his earth techniques to sink susanoo. remember, Jiraya at <50% chakra control sunk Oro's snakes. I can't even imagine what he could do at 100%.

Some said, SM is not fast enough to dodge Amaterasu? I don't know about that. sasuke did a prety good job at dodging Amaterasu, while fighting Itachi while he was almost drained of chakra. once he got hit, he use a replacement. I'm sure Jiraya can do the same.

Oro got owned by Itachi, because he aproached Itachi without caution. If Oro really wanted to fight he would have created some distance. For those who beleieve that, that's all that Oro had, you should quit reading Naruto.

Well these are some for now.

 

[Viewtiful]

@Above Even if it can take control of the chakra flow into the brain, the fact that when the Elder Toads are on his shoulders they're passing him more natural energy constantly, and as we all know, drawing in external energy is the way to break out of any Genjutsu, as per Killer B and Hachibi.
Also, I believe what people mean when they say dodging Amaterasu is a point-blank dodge like A did, which is kind of ridiculous. Itachi was almost blind and wasn't trying to kill Sasuke, so that is kind of deceptive. xd

 

[edgarmagician]

@Above Even if it can take control of the chakra flow into the brain, the fact that when the Elder Toads are on his shoulders they're passing him more natural energy constantly, and as we all know, drawing in external energy is the way to break out of any Genjutsu, as per Killer B and Hachibi.
Also, I believe what people mean when they say dodging Amaterasu is a point-blank dodge like A did, which is kind of ridiculous. Itachi was almost blind and wasn't trying to kill Sasuke, so that is kind of deceptive.

Great point. Thanks

 

[Kirosuka]

You create a point, but as we've seen, Data book scores doesnt= Auto-win.

The only way we could see for sure, is if Kishi made a fight scene with Jiraiya Vs. Itachi. And i doubt theres any of those EVER coming along, unless he gets bored in the future.

But you do make a reasonable argument! You go

 

[Ron Stoppable]

Well done. +Rep.