Hiruzen no God of shinobi?

[Owarij]

Cause Hiruzen didn't do anything like the other 2 Gods of Shinobi:

You do not even know what the title is given for, stop acting like you do

1. Did you even read the last chapter???
2. Ok and I don't see how 3rd being called the god of shinobi is relevant either.
3. Manga page?!?! Cause I am 90% sure Iruka said that

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[Lrrrrr]

I know the manga stated the Hiruzen used to be known as the "God of Shinobi" but I honestly never thought he was that great. I'm not impressed by anything he's done in the manga, sorry Hiruzen fanboys :shrug:

Do we... do we care what you think of him? >.>

 

[Retsu]

Yes they were at full but even if they weren't Hiruzen was old so he was weakened as well

Agreed lol

So I don't get why Tobirama can't break out :|


Even if they weren't at full strength, which I doubt, Hiruzen was no where near his prime

Because Hashi is superior to Tobirama, we've already seen him put Tobirama in his place, it's only logical that his brothers dna would overpower him.

 

[Kages]

Cause he mentioned how HIRUZEN TRAINED HIM TO BE A SKILLED SHINOBI.. He didn't even acknowledge Hiruzen.. don't know why your trying to make it seem like it was a Hashirama - Oro convo.. But in realty it was a Hashirama- Hiruzen - Oro convo. Hiruzen didn't get the chance to say anything ;].



Cause Hiruzen didn't do anything like the other 2 Gods of Shinobi:

Rikodu: Creator /definer of Chakra and starting of shinobi

Hashirama: Founder of the Modern ninja world.

Even if it was three way convo, it would be weird to just say it out of the blue because Kishi is obviously trying to make Hashi seem even stinger than before, and he wants Hiruzen to stay the same

Also to your second comment, Hiruzen protected Konoha for over 50 years from other Villages

 

[Exaar]

1. Did you even read the last chapter???
2. Ok and I don't see how 3rd being called the god of shinobi is relevant either.
3. Manga page?!?! Cause I am 90% sure Iruka said that

Spoiler

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[TheSages456]

Hashirama being called a fairy tale doesn't void any hype of hiruzen's, Thats just wishful thinking.

Hiruzen was never stripped of his title, I fail to see why there can only be one god of shinobi.

It doesn't state they were 1%, The Edo tensei oro used back in part one is the exact same as the current one, Unless you think Oro has perfect edo tensei even more since he lost his arms or while he's been sealed?

people not believing in someones strength means that they dont have enough real info on the person to make a comparison.

this is just desperation. i bet you hiruzen fanboys said that he would be getting shitloads of hype with his revival and god like feats. all we got was hashirama receiving all the praise while hiruzen gets none and hiruzen shitting his pants at hashiramas power.

tobirama stated that they werent at full power. orochimaru couldve studied the jutsu more. this point isnt up for debate however. the manga stated that they were gimped.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Yes they were at full but even if they weren't Hiruzen was old so he was weakened as well

Agreed lol

So I don't get why Tobirama can't break out :|


Even if they weren't at full strength, which I doubt, Hiruzen was no where near his prime

Well yeah, that's pretty much what I just said about Hiruzen.

 

[Owarij]

tobirama stated that they werent at full power. orochimaru couldve studied the jutsu more. this point isnt up for debate however. the manga stated that they were gimped.

Tobirama never stated that, Tobirama said Oro perfected it.. Kabuto said oro perfected it.. he did so since part 1

Oro couldn't have made improvements since he had no hanand was sealed in Sasuke, then ank for the latter part of his life...

he can't "do more research on it" since all tobirama left behind was the incomplete version which he PERFECTED

 

[Kages]

1. Did you even read the last chapter???
2. Ok and I don't see how 3rd being called the god of shinobi is relevant either.
3. Manga page?!?! Cause I am 90% sure Iruka said that

1. :|

2. It's the point of this thread :|

3. Orochimaru called him God of Shinobi, Iruka never did

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Because Hashi is superior to Tobirama, we've already seen him put Tobirama in his place, it's only logical that his brothers dna would overpower him.

But Tobirama knew the tech inquest as well and you expect Hiruzen who also knows that technique to break out of it when the creator couldn't? Like I said Oro doesn't let them roam freely yet

 

[Retsu]

Tobirama never stated that, Tobirama said Oro perfected it.. Kabuto said oro perfected it.. he did so since part 1

even so, he robbed them of all free will, causing them to be gimped brainless zombies, this means they were not at full power.

 

[TheSages456]

Tobirama never stated that, Tobirama said Oro perfected it.. Kabuto said oro perfected it.. he did so since part 1

he did actually. i saw you try to use mangastreams translation to try and disprove it despite it and mangapanda conveying the same message. tobirama stated that this time they were brought back at at full power. there wouldve been no reason to bring this up if they were always the same strength through their revivals.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

ALL of you are wrong.

The Sage of the Six Paths is the Ultimate God of Shinobi. He fought a combination of ALL the powerful tailed beasts whom are noted to be, CHAKRA MONSTERS, all rolled up into one, the Juubi. The sage, BY himself, sealed it within himself, and then WHILE he was dying, still had enough power to create a FREAKING MOON! A MOON DAMMIT!

I hope we see the hermit soon.

 

[Talal]

I see you've gone to the dark side. And yeah he may have forgotten

I really really really hope I'm wrong though. :T_T:

 

[Kages]

even so, he robbed them of all free will, causing them to be gimped brainless zombies, this means they were not at full power.

Kabuto did the same to Nagato but we saw how strong he was

he did actually. i saw you try to use mangastreams translation to try and disprove it despite it and mangapanda conveying the same message. tobirama stated that this time they were brought back at at full power. there wouldve been no reason to bring this up if they were always the same strength through their revivals.

Thats just an assumption

ALL of you are wrong.

The Sage of the Six Paths is the Ultimate God of Shinobi. He fought a combination of ALL the powerful tailed beasts whom are noted to be, CHAKRA MONSTERS, all rolled up into one, the Juubi. The sage, BY himself, sealed it within himself, and then WHILE he was dying, still had enough power to create a FREAKING MOON! A MOON DAMMIT!

I hope we see the hermit soon.

Sure.

 

[Owarij]

he did actually. i saw you try to use mangastreams translation to try and disprove it despite it and mangapanda conveying the same message. tobirama stated that this time they were brought back at at full power. there wouldve been no reason to bring this up if they were always the same strength through their revivals.

I'm going to purchase the viz translation of the latest chapter, just to clear this up for you

And manga stream's scan NEVER said anything about the past.. tobirama just said "You indeed perfected by jutsu"

Orochimaru perfected it SINCE PART 1... you need to understand that.. that is manga fact..
Backed up by the other edo tensei user who said Tobirama created it and Orochimaru Perfected it

Tobirama said the reason it wont hold him is due to it being perfected

 

[Retsu]

1. :|

2. It's the point of this thread :|

3. Orochimaru called him God of Shinobi, Iruka never did

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But Tobirama knew the tech inquest as well and you expect Hiruzen who also knows that technique to break out of it when the creator couldn't? Like I said Oro doesn't let them roam freely yet

Tobirama was going to leave until orochimaru used his dna enhanced edo control on him. He had to be restrained by his brothers power. Orochimaru obviously knew that Tobirama could have gotten the hell outta there, and he had to prevent that.

 

[Omnipotent]

Well, Hashirama is referred to as the God of Shinobi in chapters 619 and 620.
What is Hiruzen referred to as? Third Hokage.

Also, didn't Hiruzen get scared just when Hashirama flaunted his chakra to calm Tobirama down?:

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As you can see, Hiruzen was immobilized even before Tobirama was (seen from the *twitch* *jerk* actions, and it can be assumed that Minato was immobilized as well):

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Let's not even get started on Hashirama, who completely trolled Edo Tensei's restraining properties even after they were amplified by his own hacked cells:

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But I have to give it to the Hokage, they're all extremely powerful, as if you guys didn't notice, Orochimaru had to amplify the restraining properties of Edo Tensei multiple times, and they were still moving (although Minato + Hiruzen were stopped at the same time, then Tobirama, and Hashirama trolled completely).

 

[Exaar]

people not believing in someones strength means that they dont have enough real info on the person to make a comparison.

this is just desperation. i bet you hiruzen fanboys said that he would be getting shitloads of hype with his revival and god like feats. all we got was hashirama receiving all the praise while hiruzen gets none and hiruzen shitting his pants at hashiramas power.

tobirama stated that they werent at full power. orochimaru couldve studied the jutsu more. this point isnt up for debate however. the manga stated that they were gimped.

konohamaru's group didn't believe hiruzen's strength either, The younger Gen will always question the strength of the generations befor them.

No, i knew he wouldn't get much hype because the current manga has nothing to do with him, the same reason Minato or tobirama have as nothing said about them.

Studying a jutsu doesn't change anything unless he can perform and practice the jutsu, as Kabuto said he perfected it in part one.
Tobirama also said he has perfected the Jutsu, By perfecting it he has made it to efficient because since he perfected it he brought them back at full strength.
Tobirama is basically saying because he has perfected it, He could bring them back at full strength, and he perfected it in part one.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Kabuto did the same to Nagato but we saw how strong he was


Thats just an assumption

Sure.

Thank you. Roll em all you want, you know it's true. Let's wait till we see the sage, then we will finally be able to really compare who's stronger than who. I believe the Sage will be the LAST person revealed in the story.

 

[Talal]

people not believing in someones strength means that they dont have enough real info on the person to make a comparison.

this is just desperation. i bet you hiruzen fanboys said that he would be getting shitloads of hype with his revival and god like feats. all we got was hashirama receiving all the praise while hiruzen gets none and hiruzen shitting his pants at hashiramas power.

tobirama stated that they werent at full power. orochimaru couldve studied the jutsu more. this point isnt up for debate however. the manga stated that they were gimped.

Seeing as though Tsunade was alive when Hashirama died, why the f*ck were people doubting his strength when they were alive to see him. He's not like the Sage who lived so long ago.