Hiruzen no God of shinobi?

[Bogard]

I also thought Hiruzen was the strongest because of his part1 hype, but it's obvious that kishi changed his mind. Since the hokages arrival noone but Hashirama is even considered among them either by Suigetsu or Orochimaru, so it's obvious Kishi wants to tell us that the real God of Shinobi is him. What is even worse is that even Hiruzen's feat of defeating Hashirama and Tobirama in part1 got retconned by Kishi by saying they weren't even close from their power. Actually it's even highly possible that Hiruzen was probably the weakest hokage instead of the strongest. Not only he had underwhelming feats but even retconed hype, but i hope Kishi prove me i'm wrong

 

[Kages]

At least Nagato was hailed as God.

They are still on the human level.

God is above God of Shinobi.


Nagato is the strongest ninja that has ever lived.

Funniest thing I've heard all day

 

[Gaara]

I guess Kakashi can't use Water Dragon because he didn't use it in Part 2 :sy:

Didn't he use it against sakura an naruto in part 2 of capture the bells at the beginning of shippuden.

 

[-immortal-]

Hiruzen is just no god of Shinibo

 

[From the Dark Spire]

.. that makes no sense.. Once you are the GOD OF SHINOBI.. you are the God of shinobi till you die.. but that wasn't the case for Hiruzen. And also, only 1 person even claimed that. While Hashirama has been repeatedly called the "God of shinobi".

Uh actually it does... He didn't say "Honor to be praised by he who was called the God Of shinobi in his time"..


SO6P.. is the founder of chakra..

Hashirmaa is the founder of the Modern ninja world.


Both are Gods.

One doesn't have mokuton , other doesn't have rinnegan.

I'll give you that, I'm not actually arguing that hiruzen IS still g.o.s. just saying that at one point he did have that title.

And so I see by your logic, we're going with generations. Ok, I'll give you that as well, I mean the Sage existed a very, and I mean a VERY long time ago. Then suddenly Hashirama pops up and is the founder of the modern ninja world. Modern ninja world? As in, the ninja villages? Might as well say, Hashirama AND Madara ARE the founders of the modern ninja world, because they both founded the hidden leaf, and thus everyone knows the both of them.

I mean, Hashirama is powerful as f*ck, but I want to see him take on the 100% completed Juubi, by himself and seal it in himself. Then I want to see him split its power, create a moon, and seal it's body all within his deathbed.

I still say the Sage is greater than all. If I wanted to steal someone's dna, I would steal the sage's.

 

[Lrrrrr]

When Hashi beats Oro, Edo Tobirama, and Edo Hiruzen, while being old, then there can be a good debate between whose stronger. U_U

Till then, Hiruzen > Hashi.

 

[Kages]

Didn't he use it against sakura an naruto in part 2 of capture the bells at the beginning of shippuden.

No he didn't

Yeah, but kishi does change his mind every so often, this to me is one of those times, Hiruzen has had 0 hype in part 2, even Minato has still had bits and pieces of hype from bee and kakashi, none of the former leaf ninja brought back through edo tensei said a damn thing about Hiruzen. It's so obvious the guy's hype never made it to part 2.

Hiruzen had 0 hype in Part 2 you say? I guess Danzo didn't say Hiruzen is stronger than him U_U

 

[-Raviel-]

Itachi God of Shinobi

 

[ImNotScared]

Funniest thing I've heard all day

Solo'd Konoha, first person to ever do that

Made the Hokage fail, first person to ever do that

Took out a village, no hit compares (except Deidara suicide, which doesn't matter seeing as he suicided LOL)

Hiruzen can't compare, Hashi can't compare.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Prime hiruzen is merely created by hiruzen fans
there is no such entity as prime hiruzen
hashi>hiru
anyday
everyday

 

[Exaar]

Hiruzen training Oro was the subject of the conversation. Not Hashirama. However instead of saying anything about Hiruzen. He just said its a honor for him to be praised by the God of Shinobi. Big difference.

Hiruzen was part of the subject.

All hashi said was "you raised a good shinobi", Oro said it's an honor to be praised by him.
At no Point is oro even talking to Hiruzen, So why he would randomly come out with Hiruzen's Titles for even though he's not talking to him.

As i said, at no point did hiruzen participate in the convo between Hashi and Oro, Him training him might of been the subject but hiruzen wasn't taking part in the convo.

Prime hiruzen is merely created by hiruzen fans
there is no such entity as prime hiruzen
hashi>hiru
anyday
everyday

How was he created by the fan's?.

Multiple times was Old hiruzen compared to his prime in his battle with oro. Obviously an old man has his "Prime Years".

You act like Prime hiruzen was never mentioned in the manga and the Fan's randomly made it up out of thin air.

 

[GenKiDama]

Calling yourself a "God" and then being defeated by a sixteen year old doesn't really validate your hype.

lol that fight had so much crap in naruto's favour and you know it. perhaps indulge yourself in when km naruto and bee vs nagato?? ^^

 

[Kages]

Prime hiruzen is merely created by hiruzen fans
there is no such entity as prime hiruzen
hashi>hiru
anyday
everyday

When someone is referring to the past, it's usually their prime.

Hiruzen WAS hailed as God of Sinobi

Anbu said there's no denying it he's OLD

Enma said its miserable compared to his PRIME

Oro said he hadnt seen him STRAIN so much because of old age

 

[From the Dark Spire]

When Hashi beats Oro, Edo Tobirama, and Edo Hiruzen, while being old, then there can be a good debate between whose stronger. U_U

Till then, Hiruzen > Hashi.

Man, Hiruzen is great, but his jutsus just isn't on par with Hashirama's. Plus, Hiruzen can only make the roof crumble, while Hashi made the entire ROOM crack and crumble.

Plus, Hashi can heal his wounds WITHOUT handsigns. "Healing automatically"? I haven't seen that since Majin Buu was around before Goku destoryed him.

Hashi > Hiru.....sorry man.

 

[GenKiDama]

How was he created by the fan's?.

Multiple times was Old hiruzen compared to his prime in his battle with oro. Obviously an old man has his "Prime Years".

You act like Prime hiruzen was never mentioned in the manga and the Fan's randomly made it up out of thin air.

I see you're working hard, however hiruzen and hashirama threads will lead to them in vs threads. still in damage control?

 

[KingHashirama]

All hashi said was "you raised a good shinobi", Oro said it's an honor to be praised by him.
At no Point is oro even talking to Hiruzen, So why he would randomly come out with Hiruzen's Titles for even though he's not talking to him.

As i said, at no point did hiruzen participate in the convo between Hashi and Oro, Him training him might of been the subject but hiruzen wasn't taking part in the convo.

Reread mate, he said " Sarutobi.. you raised a skilled shinobi"... Subject: Sarutobi raising ORochimaru to be a skilled shinobi. Why would he randomly come with Hiruzen's title? Idk cause thats the man who trained him? lol.

Your still desperatly trying to protect the "God of Shinobi" hype for Hiruzen.. but like i said.. when both are together hashirama is the "God of shinobi". Orochimaru talking about his old sensei wouldn't make sense at all right? I mean why mention the guy who Hashirama stated to have raised Oro to be a skilled ninja ;]

In fact, Hashirama was talking to Hiruzen not Orochimaru.=]

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[GenKiDama]

Man, Hiruzen is great, but his jutsus just isn't on par with Hashirama's. Plus, Hiruzen can only make the roof crumble, while Hashi made the entire ROOM crack and crumble.

Plus, Hashi can heal his wounds WITHOUT handsigns. "Healing automatically"? I haven't seen that since Majin Buu was around before Goku destoryed him.

Hashi > Hiru.....sorry man.

lol majin buu, I don't think he can recover from being blown into a million pieces, but yeah good healing abilities apparently

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Solo'd Konoha, first person to ever do that

Made the Hokage fail, first person to ever do that

Took out a village, no hit compares (except Deidara suicide, which doesn't matter seeing as he suicided LOL)

Hiruzen can't compare, Hashi can't compare.

I mean, this guy just said it.

Yall can't argue with facts. But I think that Nagato vs Hashirama would actually be a good fight.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

It's funny how the so called "God of Shinobi" hasn't broken out of edo....ok here is why part was partially irrelevant...,
1. Isn't hiruzen supposed to know EVERY jutsu in konoha meaning he knows edo so why doesn't break out of it like madara???
2. In part 1 kakashi said current generation always surpasses previous which we know is wrong since Raman guy >>>> Sasuke
3. Iruka called the 3rd god of shinobi which we know now is the 1st since 1st >>>> 3rd

 

[Exaar]

I see you're working hard, however hiruzen and hashirama threads will lead to them in vs threads. still in damage control?

I'm always doing damage controll.

Trolls be keeping me busy U_U

It's funny how the so called "God of Shinobi" hasn't broken out of edo....ok here is why part was partially irrelevant...,
1. Isn't hiruzen supposed to know EVERY jutsu in konoha meaning he knows edo so why doesn't break out of it like madara???
2. In part 1 kakashi said current generation always surpasses previous which we know is wrong since Raman guy >>>> Sasuke
3. Iruka called the 3rd god of shinobi which we know now is the 1st since 1st >>>> 3rd

1. Neither has tobirama the man who created the jutsu, None of the hokages have forcefully attempted to break edo tensei yet. (besides tobirama)
2. don't see how this has any relevance.
3. Wrong, Oro called hiruzen the god of shinobi.