Hiruzen no God of shinobi?

[Kages]

Tobirama was going to leave until orochimaru used his dna enhanced edo control on him. He had to be restrained by his brothers power. Orochimaru obviously knew that Tobirama could have gotten the hell outta there, and he had to prevent that.

Yeah too bad he didn't

Thank you. Roll em all you want, you know it's true. Let's wait till we see the sage, then we will finally be able to really compare who's stronger than who. I believe the Sage will be the LAST person revealed in the story.

Mmkay

 

[Retsu]

Kabuto did the same to Nagato but we saw how strong he was


Thats just an assumption

Sure.

Nagato was a weak brainless zombie just like Hashirama in part 1, and he has the rinnegan so of course his edo would be strong. It's obvious at this point that the Hashirama and Tobirama Hiruzen fought were at less power than they were in life. They were gimped, and if they had free will and actually wanted to fight Hiruzen, they would have killed him.

 

[Kages]

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Well, Hashirama is referred to as the God of Shinobi in chapters 619 and 620.
What is Hiruzen referred to as? Third Hokage.

Also, didn't Hiruzen get scared just when Hashirama flaunted his chakra to calm Tobirama down?:

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As you can see, Hiruzen was immobilized even before Tobirama was (seen from the *twitch* *jerk* actions, and it can be assumed that Minato was immobilized as well):

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Let's not even get started on Hashirama, who completely trolled Edo Tensei's restraining properties even after they were amplified by his own hacked cells:

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But I have to give it to the Hokage, they're all extremely powerful, as if you guys didn't notice, Orochimaru had to amplify the restraining properties of Edo Tensei multiple times, and they were still moving (although Minato + Hiruzen were stopped at the same time, then Tobirama, and Hashirama trolled completely)

Spoiler

Hiruzen was also called the God of Shinobi, doesn't matter if it was in Part 1

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So did Minato, plus does that mean he's stronger? Hashirama and Tobirama got Oro scared, does that mean they are stronger than him? :rofl: No, because they are currently a part of his power and he can beat them with themselves lol

But Tobirama didn't break free, yet he was the one who created the jutsu..

Thanks

Nagato was a weak brainless zombie just like Hashirama in part 1, and he has the rinnegan so of course his edo would be strong. It's obvious at this point that the Hashirama and Tobirama Hiruzen fought were at less power than they were in life. They were gimped, and if they had free will and actually wanted to fight Hiruzen, they would have killed him.

...and? We still saw how strong he was..

 

[Retsu]

Spoiler

Hiruzen was also called the God of Shinobi, doesn't matter if it was in Part 1

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So did Minato, plus does that mean he's stronger? Hashirama and Tobirama got Oro scared, does that mean they are stronger than him? :rofl: No, because they are currently a part of his power and he can beat them with themselves lol

But Tobirama didn't break free, yet he was the one who created the jutsu..

Thanks

He couldn't break out because hashirama confirmed he used his senju dna to enhance the edo tensei's control over Tobirama, even if he wanted to use the seals to break free he can't.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Yeah too bad he didn't


Mmkay

hmm hmm, I'm glad you understand.

bold is butt hurt I detect

Hahahah, this is getting interesting.

 

[Kages]

He couldn't break out because hashirama confirmed he used his senju dna to enhance the edo tensei's control over Tobirama, even if he wanted to use the seals to break free he can't.

So why would Hiruzen break out?

 

[Retsu]

...and? We still saw how strong he was..

Well he would have been even stronger if he had free will, this is obvious info.

 

[TheSages456]

konohamaru's group didn't believe hiruzen's strength either, The younger Gen will always question the strength of the generations befor them.

No, i knew he wouldn't get much hype because the current manga has nothing to do with him, the same reason Minato or tobirama have as nothing said about them.

Studying a jutsu doesn't change anything unless he can perform and practice the jutsu, as Kabuto said he perfected it in part one.
Tobirama also said he has perfected the Jutsu, By perfecting it he has made it to efficient because since he perfected it he brought them back at full strength.
Tobirama is basically saying because he has perfected it, He could bring them back at full strength, and he perfected it in part one.

full power hashirama was able to overpower orochimarus control. full power hiruzen got bound instantly. there are so many things pointing to hashirama being the strongest in that room that its ridiculous.

what hashirama & tobirama showed in part 1 was their full strength? tobirama said "unlike last time, they were revived at full power". tobirama wouldve had no reason to bring this up if they were always brought back at full power through their revivals. orochimaru obviously made it more efficient somehow in part 2. he can control them without even putting a seal into their head.

 

[Retsu]

So why would Hiruzen break out?

Hiruzen CAN'T break out

 

[Omnipotent]

Spoiler

Hiruzen was also called the God of Shinobi, doesn't matter if it was in Part 1

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So did Minato, plus does that mean he's stronger? Hashirama and Tobirama got Oro scared, does that mean they are stronger than him? :rofl: No, because they are currently a part of his power and he can beat them with themselves lol

But Tobirama didn't break free, yet he was the one who created the jutsu..

Thanks



...and? We still saw how strong he was..

Wait what? Minato got surprised, note "holy crap", instead of Hiruzen saying "Hashirama-sama... don't scare me like that...". Yes, Hashirama is above Minato.
Hashirama currently a part of Orochimaru powers? What is this bigotry? Hashirama would slap Orochimaru silly.
Tobirama lost his opportunity to break free, true. He didn't know that Orochimaru could amplify the restraining properties of Edo Tensei through Hashirama's hacked DNA, and used raw power to overpower the restraining properties of Edo Tensei, and even displayed that he was virtually at full strength by cracking the wall with a love tap. However, now that he's caught, he's not getting out.

 

[TrollingSage]

konohamaru's group didn't believe hiruzen's strength either, The younger Gen will always question the strength of the generations befor them.

No, i knew he wouldn't get much hype because the current manga has nothing to do with him, the same reason Minato or tobirama have as nothing said about them.

Studying a jutsu doesn't change anything unless he can perform and practice the jutsu, as Kabuto said he perfected it in part one.
Tobirama also said he has perfected the Jutsu, By perfecting it he has made it to efficient because since he perfected it he brought them back at full strength.
Tobirama is basically saying because he has perfected it, He could bring them back at full strength, and he perfected it in part one.

LOL basic comprehension failure. This time means unlike the last time he summoned them, there were brought back to full power. He wouldnt say that if they had been summoned with their full power before.

 

[Owarij]

orochimaru obviously made it more efficient somehow in part 2.

Bullcrap , he couldn't , not only was it perfected, manga fact, but his arms were sealed...Mangapanda's translation implies his edo tensei wasn't perfected, Mangastreams makes sense

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[Talal]

Well he would have been even stronger if he had free will, this is obvious info.

Hashirama broke out because he has a superior body/chakra doesn't mean that he's stronger.

 

[Exaar]

LOL basic comprehension failure. Unlike last time means unlike the last time he summoned them. The last time Oro summoned them was?

I'm going by this scan

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Unless you think Oro made his edo tensei better while he was unable to use Jutsu's/arms?, Or maybe he practiced out of boredom while sealed by itachi?

 

[Kages]

Well he would have been even stronger if he had free will, this is obvious info.

Nope since Kabuto controlled him to his fullest

Hiruzen CAN'T break out

Ok that doesn't mean Hashi is stronger

Wait what? Minato got surprised, note "holy crap", instead of Hiruzen saying "Hashirama-sama... don't scare me like that...". Yes, Hashirama is above Minato.
Hashirama currently a part of Orochimaru powers? What is this bigotry? Hashirama would slap Orochimaru silly.
Tobirama lost his opportunity to break free, true. He didn't know that Orochimaru could amplify the restraining properties of Edo Tensei through Hashirama's hacked DNA, and used raw power to overpower the restraining properties of Edo Tensei, and even displayed that he was virtually at full strength by cracking the wall with a love tap. However, now that he's caught, he's not getting out.

Lol, Orochimaru can control Hashirama to kill himself so he is obviously stronger than Hashirama (with Edo Tensei only)

Yeah but that still doesn't mean Hashi> Hiruzen just because he broke out :shrug:

 

[Retsu]

Hashirama broke out because he has a superior body/chakra doesn't mean that he's stronger.

Bull crap, Hashirama at 100% power and free will fought Madara with PS and the kyuubi at the same time, he's stronger than most ninja by a long shot, ABC logic doesn't apply all the time, but in this case it does.

 

[Exaar]

Bull crap, Hashirama at 100% power and free will fought Madara with PS and the kyuubi at the same time, he's stronger than most ninja by a long shot, ABC logic doesn't apply all the time, but in this case it does.

I agree, hashirama is stronger than most shinobi.

But hiruzen isn't like most shinobi, He is the only person besides the sage and hashirama himself to be deemed as a god of shinobi.

 

[Retsu]

Nope since Kabuto controlled him to his fullest

Ok that doesn't mean Hashi is stronger


Lol, Orochimaru can control Hashirama to kill himself so he is obviously stronger than Hashirama (with Edo Tensei only)

Yeah but that still doesn't mean Hashi> Hiruzen just because he broke out :shrug:

Kabuto did not use him to his fullest, that's a flat out lie

Yes it does mean Hashirama is stupidly stronger than Hiruzen

Orochimaru has no control over Hashirama, have you read the manga or do you just look at the pics?

 

[TheSages456]

Bullcrap , he couldn't , not only was it perfected, manga fact, but his arms were sealed...Mangapanda's translation implies his edo tensei wasn't perfected, Mangastreams makes sense

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you are one of the most dishonest debaters i have ever seen in my life.

you were already told that mangapandas translations were more literal and fits better with the japanese text and that mangastreams change the words of scans to make reading smoother. either way, the meaning of the scans are the same. your crying wont change this.

 

[Omnipotent]

Lol, Orochimaru can control Hashirama to kill himself so he is obviously stronger than Hashirama (with Edo Tensei only)

Yeah but that still doesn't mean Hashi> Hiruzen just because he broke out :shrug:

Who said he's in control of Hashirama? It's manga fact that Hashirama was moving with his own free will. Wasn't Hashirama even mocking Tobirama for not realizing what Orochimaru had done, and not being able to move?

... And now we're in denial.