Hiruzen no God of shinobi?

[From the Dark Spire]

lol majin buu, I don't think he can recover from being blown into a million pieces, but yeah good healing abilities apparently

That's right.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Hashirama breaks out of Edo.

And the so called knowing every Jutsu in the Leaf is still trapped in the Jutsu.Come now Hiruzen fans make better excuses please.

 

[Lrrrrr]

Man, Hiruzen is great, but his jutsus just isn't on par with Hashirama's. Plus, Hiruzen can only make the roof crumble, while Hashi made the entire ROOM crack and crumble.

Plus, Hashi can heal his wounds WITHOUT handsigns. "Healing automatically"? I haven't seen that since Majin Buu was around before Goku destoryed him.

Hashi > Hiru.....sorry man.

Well we haven't seen all of his jutsu's, he was said to know many. So idk if we can count that or not xd And Hiruzen didn't want to break the roof lol, there would be no point to that. Well yeah, but he can heal all he wants, still doesn't mean he's stronger then Hiruzen. Like I said, at old age, he took down Oro, and 2 edo's, that's pretty baller. Idk how Hashi can beat that - especially since Hashi was one of the 2 edo's that got owned by Hiruzen.

 

[Kages]

Reread mate, he said " Sarutobi.. you raised a skilled shinobi"... Subject: Sarutobi raising ORochimaru to be a skilled shinobi. Why would he randomly come with Hiruzen's title? Idk cause thats the man who trained him? lol.

Your still desperatly trying to protect the "God of Shinobi" hype for Hiruzen.. but like i said.. when both are together hashirama is the "God of shinobi". Orochimaru talking about his old sensei wouldn't make sense at all right? I mean why mention the guy who Hashirama stated to have raised Oro to be a skilled ninja ;]

In fact, Hashirama was talking to Hiruzen not Orochimaru.=]

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Yeah but Orochimaru was talking to Hashirama when the subject was about Orochimaru not on Sarutobi

It's funny how the so called "God of Shinobi" hasn't broken out of edo....ok here is why part was partially irrelevant...,
1. Isn't hiruzen supposed to know EVERY jutsu in konoha meaning he knows edo so why doesn't break out of it like madara???
2. In part 1 kakashi said current generation always surpasses previous which we know is wrong since Raman guy >>>> Sasuke
3. Iruka called the 3rd god of shinobi which we know now is the 1st since 1st >>>> 3rd

1. Tobirama didn't and he created it. Oro didn't give them complete free control yet and the only reason Hashi broke out is because Oro put Senju DNA with it

2. That's not always true

3. Wrong, they are both God of Shinobi

 

[Talal]

I also thought Hiruzen was the strongest because of his part1 hype, but it's obvious that kishi changed his mind. Since the hokages arrival noone but Hashirama is even considered among them either by Suigetsu or Orochimaru, so it's obvious Kishi wants to tell us that the real God of Shinobi is him. What is even worse is that even Hiruzen's feat of defeating Hashirama and Tobirama in part1 got retconned by Kishi by saying they weren't even close from their power. Actually it's even highly possible that Hiruzen was probably the weakest hokage instead of the strongest. Not only he had underwhelming feats but even retconed hype, but i hope Kishi prove me i'm wrong

As much as it pains me to say this, I actually agree with you except for the underwhelming feats part. I actually think that he has some of the best feats in all of Naruto. Anyway, It does appear that Kishi retconned Hiruzen being the strongest/or one of the strongest. It really sucks because it really wasn't necessary to do that, he could have hyped Hashirama all he wanted without doing that. Maybe he forgot all the statements he made about Hiruzen, he tends to forget a lot.

 

[Lrrrrr]

Hashirama breaks out of Edo.

And the so called knowing every Jutsu in the Leaf is still trapped in the Jutsu.Come now Hiruzen fans make better excuses please.

Hiruzen beat Hashi, Tobirama (as edo's), and Oro, that's my excuse. Did Hashi do that? No.. :|

 

[TheSages456]

all the hiruzen hype got shattered at an exponential rate ever since madara was introduced.

-it starts with hashirama beating madara who is tiers above hiruzen.

-it continues with hashirama being on a fairytail status which means that people didnt believe in his strength and this voids hiruzens strongest hokage hype.

-hiruzen then gets stripped of his title after his revival and his hype goes to hashirama while hiruzen himself receives no praise.

-then its stated that the hokages were at 1% power in the invasion arc which robs hiruzen of his feat of beating hashirama & tobirama.

 

[Exaar]

Yeah but Orochimaru was talking to Hashirama when the subject was about Orochimaru not on Sarutobi

I don't why he cannot see this also xd.

He seems to desperate to disprove hiruzen's hype, he ignores everything else lol.

 

[Kαmi]

I know the manga stated the Hiruzen used to be known as the "God of Shinobi" but I honestly never thought he was that great. I'm not impressed by anything he's done in the manga, sorry Hiruzen fanboys :shrug:

 

[Kages]

As much as it pains me to say this, I actually agree with you except for the underwhelming feats part. I actually think that he has some of the best feats in all of Naruto. Anyway, It does appear that Kishi retconned Hiruzen being the strongest/or one of the strongest. It really sucks because it really wasn't necessary to do that, he could have hyped Hashirama all he wanted without doing that. Maybe he forgot all the statements he made about Hiruzen, he tends to forget a lot.

I see you've gone to the dark side. And yeah he may have forgotten

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Well we haven't seen all of his jutsu's, he was said to know many. So idk if we can count that or not xd And Hiruzen didn't want to break the roof lol, there would be no point to that. Well yeah, but he can heal all he wants, still doesn't mean he's stronger then Hiruzen. Like I said, at old age, he took down Oro, and 2 edo's, that's pretty baller. Idk how Hashi can beat that - especially since Hashi was one of the 2 edo's that got owned by Hiruzen.

Yeah that's true, but keep in mind, they were weaker. Just like Tobirama said, they are now resurrected with their almost full power. I mean, Hiruzen in his prime, that's another story, but right now, He just can't stand up to Hashi and Tobi for real, I mean, just think about it man.

 

[Owarij]

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Viz translation

Suigetsu: "That's... The first Hokage...? The real Hashirama who's been touted as a god of shinobi...?"

SFX: ZWWW... (Orochimaru possessing Zetsu)

Hashirama: ...?

Tobirama: "It's that shinobi Orochimaru again...!"

Hashirama: "What is going on?"

Hiruzen: "I suspect he undid the Reaper Death Seal... ...That has been keeping us sealed away.
And then performed the Edotensei..."

Please take note of the bold and stop being being stupid..
three people have been given the title "god of shinobi " in the manga thus far

 

[Retsu]

Yeah but Orochimaru was talking to Hashirama when the subject was about Orochimaru not on Sarutobi


1. Tobirama didn't and he created it. Oro didn't give them complete free control yet and the only reason Hashi broke out is because Oro put Senju DNA with it

2. That's not always true

3. Wrong, they are both God of Shinobi

Bold is a lie, the senju dna powers him up, if anything it's what enabled him to keep tobirama under control, and Hashi broke out because of sheer will power, lol at this attempt to downplay the true god of shinobi.

 

[Kαmi]

Hiruzen beat Hashi, Tobirama (as edo's), and Oro, that's my excuse. Did Hashi do that? No.. :|

The kages weren't at full strength then, Hiruzen was being toyed with by Oro, and Hiruzen died only sealing the Hokages and Oro's arms. That feat in part 1 means nothing now :|

 

[Kages]

all the hiruzen hype got shattered at an exponential rate ever since madara was introduced.

-it starts with hashirama beating madara who is tiers above hiruzen.

-it continues with hashirama being on a fairytail status which means that people didnt believe in his strength and this voids hiruzens strongest hokage hype.

-hiruzen then gets stripped of his title after his revival and his hype goes to hashirama while hiruzen himself receives no praise.

-then its stated that the hokages were at 1% power in the invasion arc which robs hiruzen of his feat of beating hashirama & tobirama.

1. ABC logic fails in this case

2. that doesn't mean anything about Hashi> Hiruzen

3. They both have the title :|

4. More like 100% :|

I don't why he cannot see this also xd.

He seems to desperate to disprove hiruzen's hype, he ignores everything else lol.

Lol xd

I know the manga stated the Hiruzen used to be known as the "God of Shinobi" but I honestly never thought he was that great. I'm not impressed by anything he's done in the manga, sorry Hiruzen fanboys :shrug:

Why not?

 

[Exaar]

all the hiruzen hype got shattered at an exponential rate ever since madara was introduced.

-it starts with hashirama beating madara who is tiers above hiruzen.

-it continues with hashirama being on a fairytail status which means that people didnt believe in his strength and this voids hiruzens strongest hokage hype.

-hiruzen then gets stripped of his title after his revival and his hype goes to hashirama while hiruzen himself receives no praise.

-then its stated that the hokages were at 1% power in the invasion arc which robs hiruzen of his feat of beating hashirama & tobirama.

Hashirama being called a fairy tale doesn't void any hype of hiruzen's, Thats just wishful thinking.

Hiruzen was never stripped of his title, I fail to see why there can only be one god of shinobi.

It doesn't state they were 1%, The Edo tensei oro used back in part one is the exact same as the current one, Unless you think Oro has perfect edo tensei even more since he lost his arms or while he's been sealed?

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah but Orochimaru was talking to Hashirama when the subject was about Orochimaru not on Sarutobi

Cause he mentioned how HIRUZEN TRAINED HIM TO BE A SKILLED SHINOBI.. He didn't even acknowledge Hiruzen.. don't know why your trying to make it seem like it was a Hashirama - Oro convo.. But in realty it was a Hashirama- Hiruzen - Oro convo. Hiruzen didn't get the chance to say anything ;].

Hashirama being called a fairy tale doesn't void any hype of hiruzen's, Thats just wishful thinking.

Hiruzen was never stripped of his title, I fail to see why there can only be one god of shinobi.

It doesn't state they were 1%, The Edo tensei oro used back in part one is the exact same as the current one, Unless you think Oro has perfect edo tensei even more since he lost his arms or while he's been sealed?

Cause Hiruzen didn't do anything like the other 2 Gods of Shinobi:

Rikodu: Creator /definer of Chakra and starting of shinobi

Hashirama: Founder of the Modern ninja world.

 

[Kages]

Yeah that's true, but keep in mind, they were weaker. Just like Tobirama said, they are now resurrected with their almost full power. I mean, Hiruzen in his prime, that's another story, but right now, He just can't stand up to Hashi and Tobi for real, I mean, just think about it man.

Yes they were at full but even if they weren't Hiruzen was old so he was weakened as well

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Viz translation


Please take note of the bold and stop being being stupid..
three people have been given the title "god of shinobi " in the manga thus far

Agreed lol

Bold is a lie, the senju dna powers him up, if anything it's what enabled him to keep tobirama under control, and Hashi broke out because of sheer will power, lol at this attempt to downplay the true god of shinobi.

So I don't get why Tobirama can't break out :|

The kages weren't at full strength then, Hiruzen was being toyed with by Oro, and Hiruzen died only sealing the Hokages and Oro's arms. That feat in part 1 means nothing now :|

Even if they weren't at full strength, which I doubt, Hiruzen was no where near his prime

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

1. Neither has tobirama the man who created the jutsu, None of the hokages have forcefully attempted to break edo tensei yet. (besides tobirama)
2. don't see how this has any relevance.
3. Wrong, Oro called hiruzen the god of shinobi.

1. Did you even read the last chapter???
2. Ok and I don't see how 3rd being called the god of shinobi is relevant either.
3. Manga page?!?! Cause I am 90% sure Iruka said that

 

[Exaar]

Cause he mentioned how HIRUZEN TRAINED HIM TO BE A SKILLED SHINOBI.. He didn't even acknowledge Hiruzen.. don't know why your trying to make it seem like it was a Hashirama - Oro convo.. But in realty it was a Hashirama- Hiruzen - Oro convo. Hiruzen didn't get the chance to say anything ;].

Because it was a Hashi - Oro convo.

The subject was just Hiruzen training him, hiruzen was not participating in the convo, The convo was between Oro and hashi.

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