Hiruzen no God of shinobi?

[Kages]

Bull crap, Hashirama at 100% power and free will fought Madara with PS and the kyuubi at the same time, he's stronger than most ninja by a long shot, ABC logic doesn't apply all the time, but in this case it does.

Yeah but that doesn't say anything about Hiruzen

 

[Retsu]

I agree, hashirama is stronger than most shinobi.

But hiruzen isn't like most shinobi, He is the only person besides the sage and hashirama himself to be deemed as a god of shinobi.

Nagato also obtained that title as well, although only his village thinks of him as such, but if ppl think Hiruzen fought a full powered Hashirama in part 1 I must say that is just wrong. Hashirama would have made Hiruzen sing the blues had he used a couple Mokuton clones. Orochimaru just got to uppity and payed for his arrogance. But Hiruzen can't hold a candle to Hashirama.

 

[Exaar]

you are one of the most dishonest debaters i have ever seen in my life.

you were already told that mangapandas translations were more literal and fits better with the japanese text and that mangastreams change the words of scans to make reading smoother. either way, the meaning of the scans are the same. your crying wont change this.

So tell me How oro could of made edo tensie stronger without the use of his arms, Then being absorbed by sasuke, Then being sealed by itachi, While all this time His arms being sealed inside the death god.

 

[Talal]

Bull crap, Hashirama at 100% power and free will fought Madara with PS and the kyuubi at the same time, he's stronger than most ninja by a long shot, ABC logic doesn't apply all the time, but in this case it does.

So what if he fought Madara and the Kyuubi?

Hashirama is like the perfect counter to Madara. Also, that was EMS Madara he might have been around Sasuke's level for all we know, and the Kyuubi is almost irrelevant since Hashirama's Wood style completely counters the bijuu. ABC logic does apply and strongly in this case. That being said I do think that Hashirama is stronger after the latest chapters.

 

[Retsu]

Yeah but that doesn't say anything about Hiruzen

Lol, it says Hiruzen is weaker than Hashirama, you're just in denial now.

 

[Owarij]

you are one of the most dishonest debaters i have ever seen in my life.

you were already told that mangapandas translations were more literal and fits better with the japanese text and that mangastreams change the words of scans to make reading smoother. either way, the meaning of the scans are the same. your crying wont change this.

And likewise the opinion of you and whomsoever said it was solely to discredit Hiruzen's hype, as literally everyone should know that mangapanda has butchered translations in the past ....and the majority of people look to *********** for their better quality

This isn't about dishonest, this about what doesn't make SENSE, and mangapanda's translations makes no SENSE

Kabuto said, In part TWO (So you can't claim, oh, part 1 statements are disreditied)

That Orochimaru's edo tensei was PERFECT....Orochimaru had his handseals since PART 1

Now please,


Explain to me how oro improved on his perfected edo tensei, Without hands and ability to cast jutsu

So tell me How oro could of made edo tensie stronger without the use of his arms, Then being absorbed by sasuke, Then being sealed by itachi, While all this time His arms being sealed inside the death god.

He can't ..because its and idiotic proposition to suppose that Orochimaru was improving on his jutsu not only when his hands were both sealed disabling ,from using any jutsu, but also when he was sealed in side Sasuke then anko...

Not only that , but why would oro even be interested at that point in bettering edo tensei? His goal was to get his hands back... and he made it clear that in his spare time he was studing RDS to do so..

 

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arguing is pointless, oro already said that they can go to the battlefield once they complete talking, then you all can judge who is more 'godly'

 

[TheSages456]

So tell me How oro could of made edo tensie stronger without the use of his arms, Then being absorbed by sasuke, Then being sealed by itachi, While all this time His arms being sealed inside the death god.

im not writing the story so how do you expect me to know? go cry to kishimoto. as i said, he couldve studied the jutsu more. kabuto stated that there were many mysteries to edo tensei. who said that you need to perform the tech over and over. studying it could suffice in learning to make it more efficient.

 

[SoundBar]

Doesn't matter anyway, we should all know by now that Hiruzen would get grave stomped if he went up against Hashi, only one strong enough to break Edo Tensei, even Tobirama almost broke it, I believe the strength of the Hokages go in perfect order.

 

[Kages]

im not writing the story so how do you expect me to know? go cry to kishimoto. as i said, he couldve studied the jutsu more. kabuto stated that there were many mysteries to edo tensei. who said that you need to perform the tech over and over. studying it could suffice in learning to make it more efficient.

:| That's an assumption and it wouldn't work anyway since Oro just got his arms back

 

[TrollingSage]

Bullcrap , he couldn't , not only was it perfected, manga fact, but his arms were sealed...Mangapanda's translation implies his edo tensei wasn't perfected, Mangastreams makes sense

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I'm going by this scan

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Unless you think Oro made his edo tensei better while he was unable to use Jutsu's/arms?, Or maybe he practiced out of boredom while sealed by itachi?

Ok then why didnt Hashirama and Tobirama break free the first time? Didnt they want to? Did they want to be used to destroy their village?

 

[Exaar]

Ok then why didnt Hashirama and Tobirama break free the first time? Didnt they want to? Did they want to be used to destroy their village?

Oro took away their free will/minds with Marked kunai

Oro is currently using a different form of controll than he used back in part one.

 

[Talal]

Who said he's in control of Hashirama? It's manga fact that Hashirama was moving with his own free will. Wasn't Hashirama even mocking Tobirama for not realizing what Orochimaru had done, and not being able to move?

... And now we're in denial.

Can't Orochimaru just dispel the jutsu and Hashirama would just fade?

 

[From the Dark Spire]

So tell me How oro could of made edo tensie stronger without the use of his arms, Then being absorbed by sasuke, Then being sealed by itachi, While all this time His arms being sealed inside the death god.

Yeah well, his edo tensei is stronger now, so we just have to deal with it. Plus he's taken over a zetsu body, full of hashirama's cells, I mean, I'm just saying, hashi's cells are known to make people and their jutsus stronger, so it's not really hard to figure it out.

 

[Owarij]

And his excuse "idk, I don't write the manga"

K guys, oro sprouted hands during the time skip, his first priority was improving edo tensei, a jutsu he can't use, and not getting his arms back

 

[TheSages456]

And likewise the opinion of you and whomsoever said it was solely to discredit Hiruzen's hype, as literally everyone should know that mangapanda has butchered translations in the past ....and the majority of people look to *********** for their better quality

This isn't about dishonest, this about what doesn't make SENSE, and mangapanda's translations makes no SENSE

Kabuto said, In part TWO (So you can't claim, oh, part 1 statements are disreditied)

That Orochimaru's edo tensei was PERFECT....Orochimaru had his handseals since PART 1

Now please,


Explain to me how oro improved on his perfected edo tensei, Without hands and ability to cast jutsu

didnt i just tell you that crying wont change anything? you should know better. its not my job to explain how orochimaru couldve done this and that.

the fact that you think that i will waste time lying about a translation to discredit a fictional character shows that you're in denial.

as i said, mangapanda is a harder read but is more literal and stays truer to the original text. go ask anyone that can understand japanese.

 

[Kages]

Ok then why didnt Hashirama and Tobirama break free the first time? Didnt they want to? Did they want to be used to destroy their village?

Oro completely took away their will the first time

 

[From the Dark Spire]

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arguing is pointless, oro already said that they can go to the battlefield once they complete talking, then you all can judge who is more 'godly'

Exactly, this.

 

[Omnipotent]

Now guys, let's see how Hashirama and Hiruzen react to a Tailed Beast Bomb.

Hiruzen, "not again!":

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Hashirama, that smile anticipating a "challenge", gives it right back in a rasengan-like manor, which provokes EMS Madara to activate the unstable form of Perfect Susanoo:

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Can't Orochimaru just dispel the jutsu and Hashirama would just fade?

That's not a fight.

 

[Exaar]

Yeah well, his edo tensei is stronger now, so we just have to deal with it. Plus he's taken over a zetsu body, full of hashirama's cells, I mean, I'm just saying, hashi's cells are known to make people and their jutsus stronger, so it's not really hard to figure it out.

Oro used edo tensei befor he transferred into zetsu's body.